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What's Wrong With This AA Photo?  
User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10404 times:

This photo just bothers me. This is AA's premium cabin yet they still pay NO attention to detail. How much nicer would it look if the seat belts were folded and pillow and blankets were nicely placed on top of the seats? Just little things like that would make the cabin look nicer. Instead it really looks like someone just threw a blanket and pillow on each seat as they probably did.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...lines/Boeing-767-323-ER/1667007/L/

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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 10176 times:

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How the seats feel and function is far more important than if the seat belts are folded. This is widely practiced on both sides of the pond, but not really here in the states.

Keep in mind that most US flights have pretty quick turns which require prompt cleaning compared to say an Asian flight that comes in in the late morning and departs late evening/early morning that day. Also, I don't think most Americans care about a seat belt being folded. If we get a meal in any cabin these days it's a good flight.

Those are some nice pillows btw.



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User currently offlineBMi727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15809 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 10043 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Thread starter):
were folded and pillow and blankets were nicely placed on top of the seats?

Maybe, but it could be a tight turnaround, and of course the plastic bags would have to stay to demonstrate cleanliness. Ideally, I would want these items distributed after takeoff for most flights, since finding somewhere to stow them can be a hassle though I realize that would require FAs to work harder and a stowage area onboard.

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 1):
Also, I don't think most Americans care about a seat belt being folded.

I don't want it folded because then I have to move it before I sit down. Maybe go down the cabin and make sure the seatbelts aren't falling down the crevices between seats, but folding them is pretty much a waste of time on both ends.



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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9804 times:

Besides those 2 style points any idea as to why the poster is referring to them as new seats since they have been around since late 07 or early 08? Are they using built in avod instead of the "laptops"?

User currently offlinejosekmlb From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9588 times:

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 1):
, I don't think most Americans care about a seat belt being folded

I think one DL pax sat on the seatbelt folded and the belt went up her arse so most airlines keep them out. Thats if I can remember right.


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9381 times:

I personally prefer the pillow and blanket to be wrapped in plastic so I can at least get the "illusion" of cleanliness. I doubt most pax would even care or notice whether or not the seat belts are folded.


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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 802 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9373 times:

LOL i saw this pic on the homepage. i honestly thought it made AA J look pretty weak...cabin does look a mess.
On most if not all DL transatlantic BE flights ive been on, the seatbelts are folded.


User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9373 times:

Having flown in those seats(and that very same plane), I have to agree that AA's "product presentation" can be very hit or miss. Simply placing every pillow in a uniform manner would present a far more professional image. Its not like its time consuming.

However, getting AA FA's to do this on a routine basis will probably involve some kind of negociation.  
Quoting ATLflyer (Thread starter):

How much nicer would it look if the seat belts were folded and pillow and blankets were nicely placed on top of the seats?

AA contracts for the cleaning of those pillows/blankets after every flight. I prefer that they stay in the bag as the cleaner returns them so they dont come in contact with other dirty surfaces.



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9187 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Thread starter):
This photo just bothers me. This is AA's premium cabin yet they still pay NO attention to detail. How much nicer would it look if the seat belts were folded and pillow and blankets were nicely placed on top of the seats?


I couldn't agree more!!

Attention to detail makes a massive difference subconsciously. When boarding an aircraft having soft subtle music, lighting levels correct for the time of day (and yes I am aware that this may not mean dimming them for safety reasons), a clean and tidy cabin and nicely groomed crew set the atmosphere for a flight. The aim is to have people walk in and begin to relaxed and feel calm. And these things cost nothing!!! This doesn't mean the blankets and pillows can't be wrapped in plastic either, it is possible to wrap them in plastic and still place them nicely!

If you’re not going to present the cabin nicely for boarding, why present the meal nicely for eating?

The best presented cabins that I have seen during boarding have been QR and QF. QF when on an Australian bound sector and they are playing the moving post-cards with the Kids choir on them on the PTVs, 'I still call Australia home' is playing and the mood lighting is light and bright but still soft on they eyes if that makes sense. QR is more creative with the mood lighting having different colours, pink and blue I think.

[Edited 2010-03-17 20:15:04]

User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9003 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 8):
Attention to detail makes a massive difference subconsciously. When boarding an aircraft having soft subtle music, lighting levels correct for the time of day (and yes I am aware that this may not mean dimming them for safety reasons),

Proper lighting and smooth jazz make for a great atmosphere!  



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User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 682 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8857 times:

and about 2 minutes after boarding, the blankets are thrown on the floor under the footrest space or most commonly BEHIND the seat in the area designed for the seat to actually recline, or in the next empty seat. The seat back work table is crammed with papers, laptops, magazines, bose headseats, mcdonalds bags, etc. Shoes come off, usually ending up in the aisle. Feet are placed up on the wall, across the tray table, slung over the armrest. During the flight newpapers, water bottles, magazines, snack boxes/bags etc are thrown on the floor giving the illusion of a movie theater. It is very common while deplaning to hear remaks like "wow these first class passgengers are really messy" Point of post: I have NEVER in 21 years had a passenger comment on a cabin being a "mess" , a blanket not properly folded, or placed to the customers liking during boarding. I sure hope no one loses sleep tonight over the MESSED up looking cabin in the photo posted.

AA ORD
(767 purser)

[Edited 2010-03-17 20:53:52]

User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

I think it makes a huge difference when you board and see a neat cabin:



User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11816 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8675 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 10):
and about 2 minutes after boarding, the blankets are thrown on the floor under the footrest space or most commonly BEHIND the seat in the area designed for the seat to actually recline, or in the next empty seat. The seat back work table is crammed with papers, laptops, magazines, bose headseats, mcdonalds bags, etc. Shoes come off, usually ending up in the aisle. Feet are placed up on the wall, across the tray table, slung over the armrest. During the flight newpapers, water bottles, magazines, snack boxes/bags etc are thrown on the floor giving the illusion of a movie theater. It is very common while deplaning to hear remaks like "wow these first class passgengers are really messy" Point of post: I have NEVER in 21 years had a passenger comment on a cabin being a "mess" , a blanket not properly folded, or placed to the customers liking during boarding. I sure hope no one loses sleep tonight over the MESSED up looking cabin in the photo posted.

AA ORD
(767 purser)

        


User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8666 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 11):
I think it makes a huge difference when you board and see a neat cabin:

 

Ah yes, the DL inward facing coffins. I knew it wouldn't be long before the Deltoids show up on this thread.



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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8595 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 13):
Ah yes, the DL inward facing coffins. I knew it wouldn't be long before the Deltoids show up on this thread.

Is it just me or do the DL seats remind you of those blue gym mats we had in elementary school?   Also, I'd rather be able to look out the window in AA J and not have to see a chiropractor vs. straining my neck the entire flight and having my seat belt folded for a few seconds when I board...



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8579 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 10):
I have NEVER in 21 years had a passenger comment on a cabin being a "mess" , a blanket not properly folded, or placed to the customers liking during boarding. I sure hope no one loses sleep tonight over the MESSED up looking cabin in the photo posted.

However it is subconcious, they may not complain (I agree it would be petty to complain) and it's not a huge deal from a literal point of view. But these small thing all add up in a customers mind, not so much in economy where everything is gernerally price based but in J it does, the pax themselves probably don't even realise it.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

I bet you even money you do a search of cabin photos you will find pillows/blankets that are not placed exactly center on the seat.

User currently offlineAAAL From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 11):

Honestly, even though the AA product might be sloppy, it still looks better than the cabin you presented.


Just my 2 cents.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2450 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6565 times:

Quoting BMi727 (Reply 2):
Maybe, but it could be a tight turnaround

That's not a valid excuse. The pax who will sit in those seats paid a lot for their tickets, and such simple details should be in place no watter what.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Looks like the photo was taken after the flight was completed. Empty flight.


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User currently offlineozark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 508 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

Ok I am confused. On that photo of the DL seats facing inward...do they swivel around so you can look out the window? Easy access to the aisle but I've never seen seats facing that way. Sorry, i am probably asking a dumb question but am just curious.
Thanks


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3743 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

I've flown AA premium plenty of times and this isn't honestly something I would have picked nits over. Cabin cleaning is usually subcontracted anyway, so the airline isn't totally to blame.


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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3678 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

I absolutely enjoy the attitude towards AA on these forums. I should also say that I haven't ever flown AA, don't plan to, nor care either way.

I have noticed that a thread on AA can go one of four ways:

1) Someone makes a comment about something negative, and everyone agrees
2) Someone makes a comment about something negative, and everyone disagrees
3) Someone makes a comment about something positive, and everyone agrees
3) Someone makes a comment about something positive, and everyone disagrees

Frankly, I agree with the poster, and specifically this comment:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 8):
The aim is to have people walk in and begin to relaxed and feel calm. And these things cost nothing!!!

Correct. It is about perception folks. Not about the actual product - there is a distinction. I am sure you have all heard about first impressions in some form or another.

Quoting September11 (Reply 19):
Looks like the photo was taken after the flight was completed. Empty flight.

In that case, thread FAIL



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2696 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 21):
I've flown AA premium plenty of times and this isn't honestly something I would have picked nits over. Cabin cleaning is usually subcontracted anyway, so the airline isn't totally to blame

I guess then if the food's bad that's not AA's problem either as it's usually subcontracted.
Isn't the airline responsible to set standards for their subcontractors?


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3743 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 23):
I guess then if the food's bad that's not AA's problem either as it's usually subcontracted.
Isn't the airline responsible to set standards for their subcontractors?

Notice I said "isn't totally to blame".



PHX based
25 Post contains images B727fan : Agreed. If the shot taken is meant to advertise something, then "presentation" is key factor.
26 LAXSTEW : i bet many of your premium passengers certainly notice whether the cabin they enter is neat and inviting or sloppy and just kinda thrown together. an
27 BA174 : Never been on any European or middle eastern carrier with seats layed up like that. It is know that it is common for US carriers not to be as slik as
28 BMI727 : What is more important to you: having the blanket and seatbelts nicely folded on the seat, or leaving on time?
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