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Why Aren't Airline Tickets Transferable?  
User currently offlinepaneuropean From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 882 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17961 times:

I recently purchased two tickets for my partner and I. Unfortunately my partner isn't able to make this trip and if I want to take someone else on this trip this person has to buy a new ticket. I am sure many others of you had a similar issue before.

Why aren't airline tickets transferable? I can understand for security reasons, but a reasonable period before departure would still give time for security clearance. Shouldn't a ticket belong to the person who has paid for it!? I can't think of any good reasons for airlines to have this policy?

Pan

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User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17802 times:

If it was free to change dates/times/names then people could buy say LHR-JFK 9 months out with random dates and names whatever was cheapest and then nearler the time phone the airline and move the flight to the most expensive day/flight and then change the names, thus avoiding paying the "real cost" of the flight

Or sell ticket on, you could but 5 cheap tickets say LHR-FRA as John Smith then sell them on at a profit and just get the names changed.

[Edited 2010-03-22 05:10:56]

User currently offlinediezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17737 times:

What you maybe can do to get the money back is, upgrade the ticket to business or full economy or any other flexible fare. Pay the extra fees but don't use the ticket. You can then return it and get a refund.

Roel.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10745 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17737 times:

Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 1):
If it was free to change dates/times/names then people could buy say LHR-JFK 9 months out with random dates and names whatever was cheapest and then nearler the time phone the airline and move the flight to the most expensive day/flight and then change the names, thus avoiding paying the "real cost" of the flight

While that is right and largely understandable there is one reason for no-fly which should be accepted and automatically entitle for a new ticket (of the the same conditions, so no I-fly-tomorrow-instead-of-today luxury): sickness. With a doctors´ paper every airline should accept it.

And while I understand and accept that a change of date isnt possible for low fare tickets a change of name should be made possible for everyone, at least for a moderate fee lower than 30% of the ticket price, say 25 Euros for the 99 Euro ticket.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9436 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17482 times:

you can protect yourself against loss for any non-refundable ticket by simply covering insurance.

Or pay full fare refundable and buy a similar ticket or even cheaper when still available.



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User currently offlinessides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17172 times:

The primary reason for non-transferability is to avoid the creation of a secondary market for airline tickets. This would effectively dilute the airlines' pricing power even further.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 16949 times:

Quoting ssides (Reply 5):
The primary reason for non-transferability is to avoid the creation of a secondary market for airline tickets. This would effectively dilute the airlines' pricing power even further.

  
Have you ever tried to, say buy a concert ticket at face value? No, it's nearly impossible because either ticket agencies, or speculators, or scalpers are in the business of buying these tickets at face value and reselling them at a much higher price. The same would happen to airline tickets if they were transferable.


User currently offlinedispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16826 times:

Plus, lets say God forbid, you buy a ticket in your name, but then sell that ticket for a flight which goes down.

Who is going to be contacted by the airline to tell that you are now a charcoal briquet, your next of kin - because your name is in their ticket lift, or the kin of the person to whom you sold the ticket?

To whom does the air carrier have any legal liability now that that aircraft is a smoking hole in the ground? Can u imagine the lawsuits over emotional distress of the family who doesnt get notified that the true passenger is now dead (unbeknownst to the air carrier), as well as the lawsuit your next of kin can file for emotional distress when they are informed that whats left of you is a part of the smoking hole on the nightly news?



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User currently offlinefrmrCapCadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16641 times:

Still it would be nice to buy group tickets for weddings, graduations etc. Guarantee the airline that 5 people, say, are attending a specific event. Of course in this country WN in effect allows this sort of planning.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16594 times:
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Plus the reason of security. A "good" name can buy the ticket and in the last minute another person appears to travel giving no time for security systems to fully research on the effective traveller name.


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User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16466 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 3):
With a doctors´ paper every airline should accept it.

My parents bought restricted fare tickets last year to go visit my sister, but then my mom was diagnosed with cancer and they had to delay the trip. After seen some paperwork attesting the truthfulness of the illness, the airline put the tickets on hold for 12 months from the purchase date. That is, of course, if the person coming with you is ill...


User currently offlinerwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16409 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Plus the reason of security. A "good" name can buy the ticket and in the last minute another person appears to travel giving no time for security systems to fully research on the effective traveller name.

This is a red herring; there is no correlation between security and the name on an airline ticket.


User currently offlinegpbcroppers63 From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16405 times:

So why is changing a name not a security issue or a problem for the major European LCCs? FR, U2, WW, etc. all allow you to change the name on a ticket for a fee (normally around £25) plus any applicable fare difference. This removes the potential to abuse the system by buying cheap tickets and selling them on. I admit that it's normally cheaper to just buy a new ticket than to change the name but the option is still there.

Quoting frmrCapCadet (Reply 8):
Still it would be nice to buy group tickets for weddings, graduations etc. Guarantee the airline that 5 people, say, are attending a specific event.

I know for a fact that EI does allow you to do this. You book a group of 7 or more passengers and give them the names at a later date. For more info, see: http://www.aerlingus.com/i18n/en/htmlPopups/group_terms.html

[Edited 2010-03-22 11:32:05]


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User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16405 times:

Quoting frmrCapCadet (Reply 8):
Still it would be nice to buy group tickets for weddings, graduations etc. Guarantee the airline that 5 people, say, are attending a specific event. Of course in this country WN in effect allows this sort of planning.

This is called group travel and what you proposed is generally permitted, within guidelines.

Agencies buy blocks of seats, and then are required to fill in names at specified intervals prior to departure. If they don't provide the names (not Mickey Mouse or Daffy Duck) they generally have to release the seats back into inventory.

There are many different models but they are all generally the same.

If you are going to a graduation and you want 5 seats, call the airline's RES centre and asked to speak to group travel. You never know, they might also knock off a few bucks off the price.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16369 times:

Quoting diezel (Reply 2):
upgrade the ticket to business or full economy or any other flexible fare. Pay the extra fees but don't use the ticket. You can then return it and get a refund

Usually the original fare rules re refunds still apply regardless of the fare you buy up to.


User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16343 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 14):
Usually the original fare rules re refunds still apply regardless of the fare you buy up to.

There is a workaround. Pay the fees (including change fees), buy up to a refundable fare for some date far in the future. Then hope for a major schedule change. The change should trigger a full refund if you ask for it. Of course, you won't get the change fee back.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16328 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 15):
here is a workaround. Pay the fees (including change fees), buy up to a refundable fare for some date far in the future.

Not on the majority of carriers - you will still have the base fare rules regarding REFUNDS will still apply - even if you buy up to a business class fully refundable ticket.


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