LimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4137 times:
I'm planning to travel to Europe with my family later this summer, from SFO, most likely via London, booked in J.
Given the recent BA strikes, why would I put my travel plans out on a limb with BA, when I could get VS service (which is at least as good), with much less risk?
In case it's not obvious, I work hard in a non-unionized industry -- high-tech -- where we live and die on individual merit, not crap like seniority... In my opinion, you should compete for your current position/job every day, which seems to be the opposite of the position that the unions are taking -- "once you're hired, you're entitled to benefits X, Y, and Z."
heathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4042 times:
I don't really get what you're trying to say.
Although I love VS, and I personally would choose them over BA, to stop flying with them is ridiculous! For this reason, people shouldn't fly LH, TP, or AF either. No one in Toronto or Ottawa at least should take public transit, and I shouldn't attend my college!
A strike has nothing to do with the stability of an airline, and unless the strike period is in the dates you are choosing to travel in, it should have no effect on your purchase.
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5481 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3960 times:
A bit off the subject, but why do unions at European carriers strike for limited periods of time? And why do they avoid striking during the holidays?
In the U.S., unions usually go on strike until there is a tentative agreement. And airline unions love to strike, when there is a holiday or heavy travel period. The idea is to put as much pressure on management as possible, both in terms of angry passengers who have travel plans disrupted and shareholders who see profits disappearing with grounded aircraft.
Remember that AA's pilots tried to strike over President's Day weekend in 1997, only to have Bill Clinton send them back to work after walking off the job for 20 minutes. The President cited the holiday and the importance of travelers getting from A to B and back for his sending the pilots back to the cockpits.
Bongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3900 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 2): A bit off the subject, but why do unions at European carriers strike for limited periods of time? And why do they avoid striking during the holidays?
Generally they feel that short strike periods produce maximum impact for minimum loss of pay, and for airlines avoiding holidays should aid public opinion. In the BA case however the pay situation is a little different, whereas for example the postal workers orgnaised one day strikes and lost one days pay, some BA staff have found that being on strike for a day or two can result in the loss of up to 2 weeks pay, as they missed their outbound flight to Australia or wherever, and thus got offered nothing until their next duty period.
JER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3674 times:
Quoting LimaNiner (Thread starter): Given the recent BA strikes, why would I put my travel plans out on a limb with BA, when I could get VS service (which is at least as good), with much less risk?
Is there really that much less risk? The likelihood of Unite announcing strikes on the dates you book is fairly small. If however, they are announced, the likelihood of BA actually getting you away from and back to SFO is pretty high: 70% of LHR longhaul currently operating, with the vast majority of others rebooked on other carriers.
Of course the tabloids will have interviews with the odd family who's holiday plans haven't quite worked out; but out of hundreds of thousands of people who are actually booked with BA during these current strikes they represent a tiny proportion.
BA overall is an airline with much better connections than VS. They have a much larger presence in the USA, as well as much closer cooperation with AA and others; the number options for rerouting you (if needs be) are huge. BA has two daily LHR-SFO services, and a number of backup a/c sat around LHR. VS has one daily service with (I would guess) less backup a/c. What happens if your VS aircraft happens to go tech that day?
You mention you work in a non-unionsed industry. Doesn't your booking with VS, due to the uncertainly caused by the strike action, represent another small victory for Unite?