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How Was It Like, To Fly On A DL DC10?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Back in the 80's, I was shock to see a DC10 in Delta livery. After flying to Dallas and Chicago on an AA DC10 then flying home on a DL L1011, it was a intreating treat to see a DL DC10, I believe it was landing. It got me to thinking about an AA L1011, LOL. Around the same time I saw seeing Eastern DC10s. Now I wonder, how was it like, to fly on these odd ball DC10s?

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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7144 times:
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I remember flying transatlantic in a NW DC-10. The seats were set up in a 2-5-2 arrangement. I was stuck in the very middle seat, and it was hell.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Now I wonder, how was it like, to fly on these odd ball DC10s?

The only DC-10s DL operated in the 1980s would have been the 9 DC-10-10s inherited from the 1987 Western merger. They were all disposed of by 1989. Most only operated for a year or so.

DL also leased 5 DC-10-10s from UA between 1972/73 and 1975. They were delivered directly to DL from the production line. They were acquired as insurance since the L-1011 program was in serious trouble then and there was a major risk that DL's L-1011s wouldn't be delivered on time when both Lockheed and Rolls-Royce had to be bailed out by their governments.


User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
The only DC-10s DL operated in the 1980s would have been the 9 DC-10-10s inherited from the 1987 Western merger. They were all disposed of by 1989. Most only operated for a year or so.

IIRC, some if not all were sold to or leased to AA. maybe an ex-WA ( or an AA) employee remembers for sure.


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3765 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):

Been there too, DTW to AMS back in 1999. 14 years old, just old enough not to bother with flying UM, and ending up in the middle seat, between to Italian couples, all of whom were pretty hammered and kept drinking for the entire flight. Worst 7 hrs on a plane ever.

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlinejunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
The only DC-10s DL operated in the 1980s would have been the 9 DC-10-10s inherited from the 1987 Western merger.

Never flew on any of those DC-10s when they were in DL livery, but flew many times when they were still Western. They had the old wall projection movie screens.
I think DL mostly only based them out of LAX and SLC to Hawaii and Alaska just as Western did. Interesting you saw one at DFW.


User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

Only caught the DC-10 once and I was in a window, so the 2-5-2 did not matter.

The MD-11's were great, espcially up front. They used to do ATL -> DFW early evening on a continuation from somewhere in Europe, and also PDX -> ATL as a continuation of a flight from NRT, IIRC.

Made a point of booking them!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 3):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
The only DC-10s DL operated in the 1980s would have been the 9 DC-10-10s inherited from the 1987 Western merger. They were all disposed of by 1989. Most only operated for a year or so.

IIRC, some if not all were sold to or leased to AA. maybe an ex-WA ( or an AA) employee remembers for sure.

A few went to AA but at least one each went to United, World Airways and Mexicana, and a couple fo Scanair, the charter carrier affiliated with SAS. Western had also disposed of a few DC-10s before the DL merger.


User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6610 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
How Was It Like, To Fly On A DL DC10?

Probably like any other aircraft of that time... very smoky, with a movie projected in truly horrifying quality onto the screen at each bulkhead, and with nasty stained white headrest covers.

I don't miss "the good old days" one bit ...


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
How Was It Like, To Fly On A DL DC10?

Probably like any other aircraft of that time... very smoky

The early widebodies weren't smoky. That problem had largely been solved before the 747, DC-10 and L-1011 went into service.


User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
The early widebodies weren't smoky.

I'm talking about cigarette smoke... believe me, I spent *plenty* of time earlier in life in smoky 747s, DC-10s, and (a few) L-1011s.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1308 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Think you're missing the point there Viscount - it's not smoke from the engines that seem to have bothered seabosdca, but rather the smoke exhaled by passengers as they were marrily puffing away on their Marlboro's.

As luck would have it, smoking is still very much practiced on cargo carrying airliners; one more reason why I count my blessings, having made the move from the horrible world of SLF carrying to the much more dignified position of hauling boxes for a living.

As for flying on the DC-10, well, it was a first generation wide-body and that made it a novel experience the first time or two. At the end of the day, however, it's just another aluminium tube stuffed with people you wouldn't usually associate with.



From receips and radials over straight pipes to big fans - been there, done that, got the hearing defects to prove
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 6):
The MD-11's were great, espcially up front. They used to do ATL -> DFW early evening on a continuation from somewhere in Europe, and also PDX -> ATL as a continuation of a flight from NRT, IIRC.

Yes, I've flown this flight. It was my first and only time to fly on the MD-11. I'm quickly losing ANY chance of flying one again.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
I remember flying transatlantic in a NW DC-10. The seats were set up in a 2-5-2 arrangement. I was stuck in the very middle seat, and it was hell.

My first transatlantic flight was on a NW DC-10-40. Something odd about the -40. It has an almost identical #2 engine inlet to the MD-11, to allow more airflow into the inlet. You'll notice on the -40 the front is bubbled up more whereas the DC-10-10/30's are straight. Anyway, I listened to the Rachmaninoff 2nd Piano Concerto over and over on my portable CD player the entire night from DTW-CDG. Whenever I hear that piece of music, I'm always reminded of that flight and on the return, I listened to Alanis Morrisette's "Jagged Little Pill" CD the entire way back. "You live, You learn."

Another oddball was the BA DC-10's, at least in today's terms. I flew on a BA DC-10-30 from DFW-LGW in 1998, and was on the first 777 BA flight back to DFW the next week. In fact, I think it was the first revenue 777 flight DFW had ever seen. Rego was G-VIIK.

All that said, I really miss tri-jets. I believe that the MD-11 is probably one of the finest looking aircraft out there, and it looked SO sexy in AA's livery.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
The early widebodies weren't smoky.

I'm talking about cigarette smoke... believe me, I spent *plenty* of time earlier in life in smoky 747s, DC-10s, and (a few) L-1011s.

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User currently offlineDeltaCTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 6):
The MD-11's were great, espcially up front. They used to do ATL -> DFW early evening on a continuation from somewhere in Europe, and also PDX -> ATL as a continuation of a flight from NRT, IIRC.

DL operated 17 MD-11's
Domestic flights included:
DL51 ATL-PDX
DL52 PDX-ATL

DL75 CVG-PDX
DL74 PDX-CVG

DL79 MCO-LAX
DL78 LAX-MCO (these 2 flights were always operated by 2 aircraft with 10 abreast seating in Y)

Also
ATL/LAX/ATL
ATL/MCO/ATL
ATL/JFK/ATL

Equipment substitutions ATL/DFW ATL/CVG ATL/FLL


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6309 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
The early widebodies weren't smoky. That problem had largely been solved before the 747, DC-10 and L-1011 went into service.

747-100s with JT9-3As, was smoky. I seen photos and video that would prove me right.


User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6277 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
Sorry, thought you were talking about this

I figured... I'm not quite old enough.   I started to fly regularly just as the 707s and non-70 8s were going bye bye.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
Quoting Doona (Reply 4):

Same experience here. NW DC10 EWR-AMS middle seat, sitting next to a 350lbs Russian. After getting permission from the FA's I spent the 7 hours of so standing up by the lav's listening to my ipod until landing, no meals or nothing! Thanks ipod!


User currently offlineDeltaCTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6228 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 12):
I flew on a BA DC-10-30 from DFW-LGW in 1998

DFW-LGW was originally a British Caledonian Route - with DC-10-30
British Airways inherited that route after acquiring BCal in 1987


User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1670 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6082 times:
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I flew on a Delta DC-10-10 on 8/15/88. It was aircraft N915WA. It had blue leather seats in first class, which was where I sat, and it had Western Airlines seats in coach in a 2-5-2 arrangement. I flew from ATL to LAX on it and I flew back on a Delta L-1011. The DC-10 was a very comfortable and clean aircraft. It didn't appear smoky to me. I remember that for the meal service, the flight attendant asked me how I wanted my steak cooked. It was a very memorable flight.

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 17):
Same experience here. NW DC10 EWR-AMS middle seat, sitting next to a 350lbs Russian. After getting permission from the FA's I spent the 7 hours of so standing up by the lav's listening to my ipod until landing, no meals or nothing! Thanks ipod!

Geez! How was that even legal? LOL!



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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

I flew on the original five aircraft a few times, all in coach. The seating was 2-4-2 with plenty of legroom. As I remember, the seats were done in the pastels that the L-1011's had originally. The (UA) Delta Tens were comfortable airplanes. I also flew on those aircraft after they were returned to United. I flew on Western DC-10 "Spaceships" numerous times, including a HNL-LAX-MSP WA 500 two or three times, and twice on those airplanes after the Delta merger. As was posted above, seating was 2-5-2 and they were comfortable. Considering Delta's long term relationship with Douglas, and their lack of one with Lockheed other than the L-100 Hercules Freighters, it really is sort of surprising that they followed EA and TW and purchased the L-1011. But they did, were more committed to that aircraft than any other carrier, operated more of them than any other carrier, and I think, operated them longer than any other carrier. Even though they traded some aircraft into Boeing on the 737-232 lease deal, (that is where some of TZ's came from, they then later purchased quite a few used L-10's in the market, more often than not a bargain prices. When they sold off WA's fleet, they probably got good money for them, and didn't want an oddball aircraft with only nine examples in the fleet.

User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5758 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 21):
Considering Delta's long term relationship with Douglas, and their lack of one with Lockheed other than the L-100 Hercules Freighters, it really is sort of surprising that they followed EA and WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW and purchased the L-1011. But they did, were more committed to that aircraft than any other carrier, operated more of them than any other carrier, and I think, operated them longer than any other carrier. Even though they traded some aircraft into Boeing on the 737-232 lease deal, (that is where some of TZ's came from, they then later purchased quite a few used L-10's in the market, more often than not a bargain prices. When they sold off WA's fleet, they probably got good money for them, and didn't want an oddball aircraft with only nine examples in the fleet.

The reason Delta went with the L1011 Tristar, was because Delta had to deal with Douglas delays in the 60's with their DC-8 and DC-9. They did not want to deal with delays again, but they shot them self in the foot, because the L1011 Tristar was very delayed.


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