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Among The US Big Six: Worst Possible Merger?  
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Welcome to the time honored tradition of "Who wants to get rid of a competitor?"...I'm referring to a merger here of two of the "Big Six" legacy carriers, as in AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, and US...which combination of two would be the absolute WORST possible among them


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User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

The answer is: UA+AA.

It would either become a nightmarish monster that would make Aeroflot look like Midwest Express, or else it would become the biggest financial bombshell to explode since Enron.

-WGW2707


User currently offlineGREATANSETT From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 509 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Delta and US Airways-Both need a major capital injection and restructuring, also the airlines fleets are very different. Both are struggling to reduce costs to stay competitive while they both have a shrinking costumer base.

Source for my answer: IRMNC

[Edited 2004-08-18 10:18:02]


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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

NW and DL!

NW would merge with DL seeing how they have issues right now. DL and NW's fleets are SOOO far apart I can't see straight. DL has 100's of 767's that NW wouldn't know what to do with. The 777's would go to good use. MD-11's would be back in service. The 737's and MD-80's would be good for when the DC-9's die out (which will be never). The 767-400's that are leased would probably be stored such as the 717's that AA got. And the bought 764's CO might take off their hands.

Route wise I don't know seeing how I don't follow these exact airlines as well as others but to me this would be the WORST match up fleet wise and the use of the a/c that would be given up.

thanks and great post!

UA777222



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

They would all be equally disasterous and nightmarish. It isn't 1986 anymore and airline merger mania has come and gone. Even during that period there were not mergers that were on the scale of a big 6 would be today.


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

It would be hell for UA-AA, Biggest fight would be for AA to give up their name.

and paint their outdated scheme to our new white one.

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User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

CO and anyone we are just fine on our own... Big grin

User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

UA+AA would be a nightmare.

It would result in so many monopolies across small towns in the midwest, plus a US stronghold over LHR. You'd have Star Alliance and oneWorld issues galor (naturally the combined firm would stay with Star which has a better global network).

Prices would go up throughout the country, seniority integration would be hell, fleet integration would be rough... not impossible though.

talk about a mega-carrier! British Airways would be so envious! They've always wanted to be a mega-carrier! (alluding to the book "Dirty Tricks").

FA4UA



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2164 times:


Biggest fight would be for AA to give up their name. and paint their outdated scheme to our new white one.

It would result in so many monopolies across small towns in the midwest, plus a US stronghold over LHR. You'd have Star Alliance and oneWorld issues galor (naturally the combined firm would stay with Star which has a better global network).


Why the assumption that AA would be assimilated into UA? It would seem more likely that UA would be the one to disappear into AA.



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User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

AA and WN, or NW and WN!!!

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Like DesertJets said, Any major would be disasterous. Times have changed and I think alliances such as codesharing/frequent flyer partnerships are a lot better.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

No merger really seems to me very logical in the US at this point in time.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 2023 times:

TW+AA!  Nuts

UA+US was a mistake from the beginning. Had nothing happened, both airlines would probably be in much better situations right now. God knows what would have happened had it gone through...anyone find it odd that Steven Wolf left UA and went to US, and then there were talks of mergers?  Wow!


User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

American & USAirways. Their destinations and fleet would not mesh very well.

-Tim  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

UA and AA would have to be my vote...way too many aircraft to manage.


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User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

"It would be hell for UA-AA, Biggest fight would be for AA to give up their name"

Perhaps, but they could call the new airline: United States Airlines, and prominently still display both the UA and AA symbols on the tail in some sort of mutual symbiosis.

So many possibilities... Perhaps the large aircraft could be named after the heros of the Republic, etc. It may be a good thing, and be far from the nightmare an American version of Aeroflot would be.

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Tasha, I love your optimism. We need more people like you.


However, your optimistic idea is too optimistic. In this cutthroat business world the two airlines would fight to the death to be the sole brand. The American equivalent of "communist-era Aeroflot" would be awful. Reduced competition, jacked p ticket prices, and too many airplanes with the same paintscheme! AGH!  Nuts One could only wish for the two airlines to for a peaceful "sort of mutual symbiosis." This new airline would be the Dr. Frankenstine's creation of airlines. I can only hope to god it does not come to that.


-Tim  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Like I said Tasha, there need to be more optimistic people in this world, just like you. Maybe then a merger of AA & UA would go peacefully, if something like that ever happened.


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