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A330-200, 7500km Route, Non Stop  
User currently offlinemulletman101 From Australia, joined Apr 2010, 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Hi there guys, I have just joined this website, and there is so much info, all you guys seem so helpful.

Anyway, at uni we've been given an assignment to do, we are working out some calculations on an A330, 7500km trip with costs per passenger etc. One of the things I need to do is to find a similar flight which I can compare it to. It has to depart from the United States.

I have looked high and low, and cannot seem to find a flight. I will find something, get a bit excited, and then realise they are using a 777 for that route.

I also thought that a large proportion of the members in these forums are from the US.

Thanks so much
 

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User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

I don't know the exact distances, but I recall QF operates 332s on the LAX-AKL hops. Also, I think they were/are used occasionaly on the LAX-SYD. Not sure about the latter though, so please correct me.

Hope it helps, Speedbird741



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 1):
Also, I think they were/are used occasionaly on the LAX-SYD. Not sure about the latter though, so please correct me.

Perhaps as a sub, but certainly never on a regular basis. In fact, I don't believe that the 332 can make LAX-SYD nonstop.



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User currently offlineABpositive From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

SFO-NRT with DL and CDG-SEA with AF use 332 and are around 7500km. This link might be useful:
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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

First off, welcome to a.net!

With just a cursory look at scheduled 332 flights to/from the USA, I came up with a couple just over 7600 km, but none right at 7500 km. Air Berlin's scheduled MIA-DUS service checks in at 7,617 km by great circle route. Here's a flightaware track for that one.

If you prefer more of a north-south routing, TAM's JFK-GIG route is 7,703 km by great circle route. Again, here's a flightaware track.

Others can probably come up with additional routes that zero in even more on 7,500 km. Hope this helps!


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

7500km isn't really that far though. After all, Concorde did the 7050km (or so) from EGLL-TBPB.

It also did EGLL-MYNN.

The data I have shows the A330-200 having a maximum loaded range of 12,500 km; 7,770 mi. So SYD-LAX should be within range of the A330-200 (just).


User currently offlinefodar From Lebanon, joined Jan 2008, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

two routes come close:
AB operates MIA-DUS with a 332, about 7600km
JJ operates JFK-GRU with a 332, about 7700km


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

JFK-GRU on TAM comes in at 7636km, then again, I'm not sure if that is an A332.

That's a tough range to find an A332 flight because most airlines would put the A333 on that short of a route, and most US based will put a 777 on anything longer, that and the fact the number of 777's vs. A330's in the us is quite a bit bigger, not to mention factoring in ALL the other aircraft capable of that route length!

Good question though, will be interested to see the answers.

The closest I could come to a carrier "possibly operating" an A330 on this route would be USAirways on CLT-GRU. It comes in at 7448km.


User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

Here is one:

Aeroflot's NYC-Moscow is 7,519 km on A333 though.


User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6971 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Quoting mulletman101 (Thread starter):
Anyway, at uni we've been given an assignment to do, we are working out some calculations on an A330, 7500km trip with costs per passenger etc. One of the things I need to do is to find a similar flight which I can compare it to. It has to depart from the United States.

7500km is 4050NM...

A332(RR) Reference Landing weight 140,000kg. All units in KG

ALTITUDE TRIP FUEL / ADJUSTMENT / TIME
Adjustment is x KG of fuel per 1,000kg of landing weight difference above 140tons.

4000NM
FL330 44636 / 188 / 9H31
FL350 43466 / 206 / 9H13
FL370 42634 / 206 / 8H59
FL390 41892 / 231 / 8H53
FL410 41365 / 231 / 8H47

4100NM
FL330 45826 / 193 / 9H44
FL350 44721 / 212 / 9H26
FL370 43765 / 212 / 9H11
FL390 42966 / 239 / 9H05
FL410 42477 / 239 / 9H00

Feel free to interpolate for 4050NM (7500km)

Mandala499



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User currently offlineramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

BEY-JFK is 9,000km. The Lebanese president uses ME's A332 for his flights to NY.


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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4882 times:

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 1):
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I don't know the exact distances, but I recall QF operates 332s on the LAX-AKL hops. Also, I think they were/are used occasionaly on the LAX-SYD. Not sure about the latter though, so please correct me.

LAX-AKL yes and its about to start up again..... thats 10,500km btw...
LAX-SYD hell no... only chance of that would be as a ferry flight.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4715 times:
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AF already used the A332 on CDG-KIX/NRT/CAN. Not bad ?


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User currently offline02hilliert From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Not quite the USA, but you can fly LGW-YVR-LGW on Thomas Cook A330-200s... That route is around 7600km.

Bookable through Air Transat's website.



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting mulletman101 (Thread starter):
Anyway, at uni we've been given an assignment to do, we are working out some calculations on an A330, 7500km trip with costs per passenger etc. One of the things I need to do is to find a similar flight which I can compare it to. It has to depart from the United States.

Do not forget, that flights going east-west (either way) are prone to the (positive or negative) influence of jet streams, whereas no such winds prevail when flying north-south (generally speaking) ...

For distances and ranges consult www.gcmap.com or its forerunner http://gc.kls2.com ...
-HT



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User currently offlinemulletman101 From Australia, joined Apr 2010, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Hi guys. I am sorry for the late reply, I have not had internat access at home for about a week, so havent been able to post on this. Thanks so much for all of the responses. I am so excited about the number, and the breadth of the responses. We ended up going with the San Fran to Tokyo route for our A330-200 series.
I am writing up the report now. The direct costs associated with a 90% payload, single economy class, we worked out to be around $1100US. The fare quoted by delta is $1710US.

Can anyone provide any advice as to why there would be so much of a difference? would this be a route they make high profits on, and others there is little or no margin?

Thanks!!
MM


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 3005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

EI operated SFO-DUB (8204km) with the A330-200 2007-2009. I know its ~700km over what you need but it's the first that came to my head...


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User currently offlinefelizku From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

KLM used to fly A332 to Vancouver as well from Amsterdam, but the last time I checked they are flying MD11s now…not sure when they are switching it back, but the trip is around 7724km (4804 miles)

User currently offlinefelizku From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

just realized you only want ones that are leaving for US...

try DFW and ATL, they are 7900 and 7080 km away from AMS


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