surfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 31 Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5400 times:
I realize that more than a few a.netters take enormously circuitous routings with numerous connections in order to take as many flights as they can, but for the ordinary traveler such as myself (on average, maybe 5-6 trips by air per year) , connecting is a constant gamble between pleasant layovers and unintended evenings spent in random cities around the country (getting stuck overnight in Kansas City this past March was just my latest reason to never connect unless I have to). In many cases, such as when flying out of BUR, connecting is a necessary evil. However, I have begun to notice an alarming trend of having to connect when it is WAY out of the way. Is this a common trend?
Example 1 - When I was flying EK from JFK to DXB in June 2008, the man sitting next to me was connecting onwards to Syria. The flight from DXB to Syria is about 3 hours long, but right on the way back to New York! Surely a flight through Europe would have saved him at least 7 or 8 hours?
Example 2 - When flying NK DCA-FLL-LAX last Monday (itself a rather out of the way routing) the girl sitting next to me was flying DCA-FLL-ATL! She admitted that it saved her some money, but that the 4 hour layover in FLL on the way to D.C. was terrible (FLL's T4 is absolutely awful). She didn't sound like she would ever consider doing it again, but obviously was given the choice to connect an hour and a half to the South when she was ultimately going North!
Example 3 - My Uncle lives in Miramar Beach, FL which is between VPS and ECP. When heading down to see my parents in RSW, he has to connect all the way up in ATL - at least two hours out of his way. Flying through MCO, TPA, or even MIA would make a lot more sense. Why aren't flights between the Panhandle and South Florida readily available??
Example 4 - My travel plans for a trip to YYZ changed as I would visit the folks in RSW. My Air Canada itinerary already booked, I had to take "Air Canada" out of RSW. Their only option during the summer season is a codeshared connection via IAH (with a 3 hour layover to boot) such that I will leave RSW at 6:30 AM and not get to Toronto until 3:15 PM having to fly RSW-IAH-YYZ. Why aren't they routing people through CLT, PHL, or ORD?
Have any of you had to connect way out of the way for codeshare policies, attractive prices, or other reasons??
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15346 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5353 times:
Last summer I booked MSP-MKE-CVG-STL. But due to a perfect storm of technical delays and bad summer weather, I ended up flying MSP-MKE-MEM-STL, flying directly over my destination and having to backtrack.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
PITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1076 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5349 times:
I flew the wrong-way routing PIT-EWR-MCI a few years ago, and PIT-IAH-LHR and back last year. In both cases the price difference was too large to ignore (in the PIT-IAH-LHR case, I think it saved me more than $300 over the next cheapest alternative, and $400 compared to the routing I had initially planned on.)
vhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5294 times:
I have unnecessarily used erratic itineraries a few times in the past. The main reason being to fly on/avoid a certain aircraft type.
Some extreme examples are
October 2007 - Going to Murray Bridge to visit my grandmother Instead of flying directly to ADL I flew BNE-LSY-SYD for a ZL Saab 340 stayed in Sydney overnight before flying SYD-ADL spent a good part of the day in Adelaide before taking the coach to Murray Bridge that evening. Returning I took the redeye coach to Melbourne spent a full day in Melbourne before flying MEL-BNE that night.
October 2008 - Flying to Perth I booked BNE-SYD-PER to fly on a 747-300 on the SYD-PER sector. Eventually the 747 was subbed for a 767 so I ending up flying the whole way on 2 back to back 767 sectors something I could have flown nonstop on.
What I generally do to minimise the risk of getting stranded in a strange city is book the connecting flights onto the one PNR where possible that way if there is a disruption in the network the airline can rebook me if necessary. Last august taing QF to CBR it was $200 cheaper (plus an extra 1,000 ff points) to fly via SYD then the nonstop flight that which left around the same time. Boarding the BNE-SYD flight when the flight attendant scanned my boarding pass it rejected it, she told me I had a seat change and go to the service desk for my new boarding pass. I was then handed a Boarding pass for the nonstop flight that was a lot more expensive. I found out from a mate later that the crosswind in SYD that night exceeded the limit for the parallel runways so they were using the single cross runway causing delays and I was rebooked as a precaution. Something that wouldn't of happened if I had 2 separate PNR's
Another time I did a day excursion to NZ's West Coast which consisted of flying CHC-HKK taking a coach to Greymouth then the train back to Christchurch. The connection time in Hokitika between the flight in and the coach out was tight and I had to be back in Christchurch that night as a precaution I booked a HKK-CHC flight several months in advance when it was dirt cheap incase I missed the coach saving me from the prospect of being forced to buy a walk in fare for several hundred dollars. Thankfully I made the coach and didn't need the flight back.
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And to save money I've flown SYR-CVG-IAD and back.
I have seen routings on the AA website for NYC-LAX via MIA and NYC-MIA via LAX. Talk about back tracking...
I did fly NYC-DEN as LGA-PHL-LAX-PHX-DEN last year. I did it to work on my dissertation as I am incredibly productive on the plane. I will often do fly abouts to get work done. Combines productivity with my love of flying.
PNS used to be served from MCO by DL Connect. I used it for a daytrip to the National Museum of Naval Aviation on NAS Pensacola in 2002.
In 2 weeks I will fly HAJ-FRA-WRO-WAW-PRG and return PRG-BUD-BEG-MUC-HAJ instead of flying nonstop between HAJ and PRG. This is mainly to cater for my desire to use new airports and even countries.
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Yflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5066 times:
I generally don't go too far out of my way when connecting. I think the farthest out of my way I've gone would be SMF-IAH-EWR-HAM (both cheaper than the other options, and allowed me to be on the same flight to HAM as my parents) or AVL-EWR-SFO (Award ticket).
I did once fly out of more out of the way airports in order to get an award ticket. Ideally I wanted to do an open-jaw SMF-RDU, CLT-SMF trip, but there were now award tickets available from SMF near the dates I wanted. With a little creativity plus the slight extra cost of getting to the Bay Area, I was able to get OAK-IAH-RDU, and AVL-EWR-SFO. Since I had had to go to AVL for my return flight, I scheduled things so I could hang out in the Asheville area for a few days before going home.
Later this year I probably will book a more out of the way connection on purpose. I usually don't fly enough to get anywhere close to elite status, but thanks to a work trip to India this year I'm *this close* to the lowest level elite status on United. All I have to to get there is fly a Star Alliance airline and take a slightly out of the way routing when I go to visit my parents this fall, like SMF-ORD-MSP instead of the more direct SMF-DEN-MSP.
StarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3318 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5038 times:
I think its mainly about $$$$.
When I have browsed flight centre's web site for lets say SYD-YYZ or AKL-YYZ I have more than on one occasion gotten the cheapest by far being EY going SYD-AUH-YYZ or AKL-MEL on NZ followed by MEL-AUH-YYZ on EY.
These are 20-30% cheaper than anything through YVR, LAX or SFO on QF, NZ, AC or UA.
KingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1289 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4979 times:
When I flew home from school in ROC last year on Delta/NW, I would go through Detroit as doing that was cheaper than the 6am non-stop to JFK. Most non-stops NYC-ROC are around $150 round-trip. Flying through DTW one way made it $160 r/t, but it was better than paying $200+ for the 6am ROC-JFK. That way, I'd get in at 3pm instead of 5pm (the time the next non-stop landed at JFK) (the times were something like that, not sure exactly). Plus, I got DC-9s
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KBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4959 times:
Quoting surfandsnow (Thread starter): Example 3 - My Uncle lives in Miramar Beach, FL which is between VPS and ECP. When heading down to see my parents in RSW, he has to connect all the way up in ATL - at least two hours out of his way. Flying through MCO, TPA, or even MIA would make a lot more sense. Why aren't flights between the Panhandle and South Florida readily available??
WN flies ECP-MCO and MCO-RSW.
[Edited 2010-06-02 21:30:27]
[Edited 2010-06-02 21:32:03]
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BNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3168 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4928 times:
I thought DAL-STL-MDW-DTW was fairly direct for me, last weekend I flew BNE-NTL-SYD on an award ticket, in 2 weeks I am flying TPA-MIA-DCA the direct flight won't get me the status and miles I require.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4908 times:
Price rules for a lot of people, myself included to some extent. If you're saving yourself $300 on an airfare and you 'only' have an extended journey time of ten hours, with maybe five of that sat about, then you are saving yourself $30 an hour.
Later this year I will fly BCN-DOH-GRU-EZE and return. Thousands and thousands of miles out of my way, but it was less than half the nearest fare of any other routing.
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bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4873 times:
I remember once when a passenger booked a ticket SMF-SFO-ACV. When he arrived in SFO for his flight to ACV, he found out the flight stopped in SMF so basically his routing was SMF-SFO-SMF-ACV. We got him on a nonstop SFO-ACV flight which left 30 minutes later.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23861 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4848 times:
Quoting surfandsnow (Thread starter): When I was flying EK from JFK to DXB in June 2008, the man sitting next to me was connecting onwards to Syria.
Not many carriers serve Damascus from major European hubs, and service is often only 2 or 3 times a week and almost entirely on narrow-body aircraft..That probably means that fares are going to be high for those routings. EK has twice-daily widebody service DXB-DAM, probably the most service of any carrier serving DAM, including the national carrier Syrianair. EK fares are probably among the lowest for that reason and even with the backtrack, elapsed time may be about the same if the connecting time is short at DXB.
Many people in Europe fly EK (and QR/EY etc.) to Africa, mainly because their fares are usually low, although the routing is at least 1500 miles further than a direct Europe-Africa flight. Saving money is usually more important than time for price-sensitive leisure travellers.
AmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4532 times:
Was supposed to fly ORD-EWR-SNN with CO last summer (back in their Skyteam days) but due to storms in NYC we would miss our connection so we were bumped onto AF routing ORD-CDG-SNN. On the ORD-CDG leg we flew literally right over mid-western Ireland and beyond for another hour or so only to backtrack again on a 2 hour flight from CDG to SNN.
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