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What If The A380 Crashes During First Test Flight?  
User currently offlineFJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 968 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9906 times:

I know, there isn't much chance that the A380 will crash at the first test flight BUT what if it does....? Imagine, what would be the consequences for Airbus, the orders of the A380 etc?? I'm really curious at this. In how far Airbus will get a bad name? Will airliners cancel their orders? Etc.

Thanks

FJWH


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User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9860 times:

As if, they are more likely tyo find out what caused it to crash and fix it, thats the purpose of a test flight


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9840 times:

Would passengers boycott the A380 saying it is like a 'jinxed' plane? Would they have to rename it like the A350 or something because of bad luck?

User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9827 times:

the A320 had a couple of bad crashes right after its entry into service...

look at it now!



User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9820 times:

an A330 crashed during a test flight. what did it do to the orders?

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi_bin/view_details.cgi?date=06301994®=F-WWKH&airline=Airbus+Industrie



User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9774 times:

yep..

that 330 was an interesting one. it was testing for a low speed, low energy takeoff, but the auto flight control was not set appropriately and it crashed just after takeoff, within the airport perimeter. it was however a very extreme test case - low power, low speed, very steep climb angle etc...


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

It would be bad, crashes are bad, hmmmm m-kay...

Ok enough of my Mr Garrison impression.

Despite the setback many programs have survived early crashs, the MD-80, A320 and the A330 all spring to mind.



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User currently offlineCanberra From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9694 times:

there isn't much chance that the A380 will crash at the first test flight

Could we maybe use risk instead of chance  Confused

/Michael  Big grin



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User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9679 times:

It would be one huge smoking divit...................


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User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9633 times:

if only you knew the amount of planning thats going into this...

thats why they havent announced a flight test date in fact... they dont want to be rushed. only when everything is ready and spotless. in fact such is the care and planning and perfection going into it that i think it would almost be boring...

these days you already see almost-real digital impressions way before the first flight, so the first flight is not such an awe striking event.


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9608 times:

Let's hope it doesn't. World affairs are in bad enough shape already. We need to go in the right direction in all of our endeavors.


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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9559 times:

A BAC 1-11 crashed during the early stage of test flights and yet it went on to become the most successful British jet.




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User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9433 times:

Hey, FJWH, what's happening today with you? You posted first a topic about if a plane is hijcked in a flight from London to New York, now you post this about if an A380 crashes in test flights....bad day at work?

Personally I guess that A380 will not crash in test flight  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Ciao


User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

The amount of training done before the first flight, particularly on the simulator, is huge. If it were to happen, although extremely unlikely, I should think the project would still go ahead based on the amount of commitment for the A380 alone... and provided the cause of the crash was something that could easily be repaired.


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2488 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9408 times:

well we won't know what effect it will have , because note that the A330 was a pilot error....

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9386 times:

It mainly depends on how the crash will look and what the networks will make of it. A crash at the airport for all the invités to see and readily videod and broadcasted worldwide will be the ultimate PR nightmare. Video's of the burning Concorde and the graphic photos of the DC-10 at Chicago plus the story about the passengers seeing their own crash on the on board moviescreen basically killed further service or sales respectively of these aircraft. Also the widely broadcasted Sept. 11 and Airbus 320 crashes have made many people scared.
But if there is no clear or graphic footage of it widely available, like the A-330 testflight, and the problem is fixed, not many people will care.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2488 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9375 times:

well you see how big succes the A330, DC-10, A320, MD-80 were/are






maurice


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9365 times:

It is not going to crash, just burn a lot of fuel and cost a ton to fly.

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9231 times:

No one will know what would happen then to the A380.

What if the 7e7 proto would have a hull failure during second flight ?

Useless discussions, no one knows..


User currently offlineFJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9192 times:

AZA330:

No, just 2 more weeks vacation  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.
But of course I also think that the plane isn't going to crash but I just wanted to know what's going to happen IF it does.

How many days or weeks before do they announce when the first flight is? I want to go to TLS for sure to see it fly!

FJWH



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User currently offlineFlightuk From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

I think in the case of the 380 it is quite different to aircraft that have gone before. This is because of the increasing debate about the aircrafts size with so many passengers lives potentially at risk. Good question

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8997 times:

Rabenschlag - the reson for this crash was "Pilor error, misunderstanding of auto-flight systems"

User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8965 times:


During test flights, anything could go wrong, with any aircraft, that is why they are test flights. If something were to go wrong with the A380 (God forbid), Airbus would find the problem, correct the problem, & there would be no impact on aircraft sales, passengers have short term memories of aircraft incidents & even shorter memories if there is a sale on airline tickets.

LHR27C

Simulator time prior to a test flight would do nothing if there is an electrical problem or a computer failure...



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8919 times:

As has been mentioned, several aircraft which went on to sell well crashed during the test program. Less dramatic problems are more common. The 727 #2 engine surged on rotation during the first test flight, and the 727 still has this problem sometimes, although it's occurence has been minimized by careful shaping of the S-duct. The problem was not revelaed to the public until well after the first flight though.


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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8412 times:

Yes, there have been problems on other test flights in the past, but with people being so paranoid after 9/11, and with the publicity the 380 is having, I think a crash would definitly have impact on the future sales of the 380.


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25 Burnsie28 : thats why they havent announced a flight test date in fact... they dont want to be rushed. only when everything is ready and spotless. in fact such is
26 BR715-A1-30 : If the A380 crashed during its first flight, I would make sure it never flew again. Ok, All Joking aside. I'm sure Airbus would launch an investigatio
27 N6376m : The water from the on-board swimming pool would quickly extinguish the fire.
28 Bohica : Don't forget that the prototype CRJ crashed during testing and look at how successful that program is.
29 Captoveur : What if god and superman fought? I normally don't call a topic stupid, but this one really is.
30 AZjetgeek : This thread is a waste of space, but I just had to toss in my two cents. As one poster already mentioned, this is why there are test flights. Pick up
31 ConcordeBoy : Ok enough of my Mr Garrison impression ...actually, that'd be Mr. Mackey As far as the topic at hand: I'd say it could be pretty bad; the A380 will be
32 Starlionblue : What's stupid about this topic apart from the silly detractors? Everyone seems to have something to say about it.
33 Sinlock : From Post #9 if only you knew the amount of planning thats going into this... that's why they havent announced a flight test date in fact... they dont
34 Starlionblue : after a 3 year R&D period the engine landed up missing it's fuel burn target by 11%. Ouch! That just proves that fluid dynamics are still very hard to
35 Post contains links and images ConcordeBoy : Pretty much the same thing happened for the PW4098... a derivative of a proven model that turned out to offer such horrible economics that all prospec
36 SLUAviator : I don't like airplanes where the pilot can fly only with the permission of a computer. The A380 is a waste. Its to big, it weighs to much (Airbus did
37 777236ER : I don't like airplanes where the pilot can fly only with the permission of a computer. The A380 is a waste. Its to big, it weighs to much (Airbus did
38 Whitehatter : They will learn their mistake as they watch as the 7E7 dominates. Another idiotic comment. Thirty ton trucks and double decker buses don't sell as man
39 FJWH : Eh.... what is your problem Captoveur, N754PR (and KEESJE)? Really!! WTF is wrong with my question?? Yes a hypothetical question but what's wrong with
40 Starlionblue : I don't like airplanes where the pilot can fly only with the permission of a computer. Like the 777? Jokes aside, you don't quite seem to understand t
41 Warren747sp : It is not as damaging as if some unfortunate accident should occur on its first commercial flight. A few test pilots as compared to over 500 passenger
42 Starlionblue : Agree wholeheartedly with Warren747sp. The first test flight will be rather gentle and not push the envelope. Most of the media attention will be focu
43 ConcordeBoy : Like the 777? ...not quite sure from whence you're deriving this one
44 Starlionblue : It was a joke. The 777 has quite a bit of computer control. . . [Edited 2004-08-20 19:23:29]
45 Gigneil : ...and the 7E7 will have even more. N
46 Post contains images Bmacleod : Yes. I'm sure 747 fans would LOVE to see the 380 crash as it would be a fatal blow to Airbus and Boeing would gain a global monopoly. Realistically th
47 Starlionblue : Accidents do happen, but it is doubtful we will see the loss of the airframe. IIRC an early 747 flight suffered a stuck flap section. No biggie really
48 Tom in NO : well you see how big succes the A330, DC-10, A320, MD-80 were/are Kind of an oxymoron when one realizes that the best, most pilot-friendly, safe, and
49 Blackbird1331 : How many people on board the first flight? I guess it will be modified with escape hatches and everyone on board wears parachutes? If so, how many fli
50 Starlionblue : Probably 2-4 people on board.
51 Post contains images CcrlR : Probably 2-4 people on board. There may be more people on board in front of computers. doing tests with weight and checking stuff. As for Blackbird's
52 DfwRevolution : It was a joke. The 777 has quite a bit of computer control. ...and the 7E7 will have even more. I don't think the issue is that the 777 and 7E7 have c
53 Starlionblue : I don't think the issue is that the 777 and 7E7 have computerized controls, it is that in the Boeing aircraft the pilot has 100% unadultered athority
54 Espion007 : if the a380 crashed,the press would be all over it. First would be the inital articles about the actual crash. After that will be a wave of how the pl
55 Wdleiser : That would just be bad press =)[Edited 2004-08-21 00:41:04]
56 Post contains images BlueSky1976 : aaahhh another A vs. B war topic. great... Those Boeing fans will never get over 747-600 being shelved I guess...
57 Ifly2eat : What if the sun rises in the west tomorrow? Do you people really lack that much intelligence that you debate such a meaningless issue like this?
58 Ant72LBA : ..........roll right back to the beginning of aviation; what if the Wright Brothers first flight had crashed? Would we all still be sitting here relyi
59 AvObserver : I wish these morbidly speculative threads wouldn't get started; what's the point of trying to assess a worst-case scenario before it happens? That's f
60 L410Turbolet : It would certainly be a field day for certain "Boeingjugend" a.net members.[Edited 2004-08-21 10:10:01]
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