Sponsor Message:
Travel Polls & Prefs Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Disadvantage With A380 Biz Class  
User currently offlinewarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1171 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4601 times:

I have just flown my first A380 flight from CDG to JNB. It feels very much like the A340 due to almost identical interior layout in biz class and the quieter interior. The problem is with deplaning in JNB being on the upper deck we have only one exit on the left. By the time we deplaned almost have of the people in economy class down stairs have already deplaned so we are stuck in a long que at immigration. With most other widebodies biz class gets to deplane first. Any thoughts on this matter?


747SP
19 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on this matter?

Flying in Business Class on the A380 from CDG to JNB and still finding some reason to complain?

Have you thought of those who have done the whole same flight sitting all these long hours in tight Economy seats with less than average onboard service and eating crappy meals out of plastic plates and cups?      

How about trying that the next time?

Can it get more blasé than this?
Next time, just think of hiring your own private jet.

              



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinercaq From Austria, joined Aug 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Well, you may try F next time...

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2858 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on this matter?

Flying in Business Class on the A380 from CDG to JNB and still finding some reason to complain?

Thank you MadameConcorde.

Really? This is the biggest complaint you have?

My thought is that I am completely unconcerned with this horrible travesty of justice.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27295 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Some airports have Fast Track arrivals I guess JNB dont. Such is life ....

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4302 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Faster access through C&I is often pitched as one of the advantages of Business Class...

I'm guessing this is AF you flew.

On SQ and UA, cabin staff block the aisles to prevent lower classes from having access to the doors until the higher class has deplaned (they block Business while First deplanes, then block Economy while Business deplanes). Perhaps AF needs to do the same.


User currently offlinewarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Thanks it is good to know that is is probably only AF that does not strict to the premier class boarding and deplaning first procedure when it comes to the A380.


747SP
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
lower classes
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
higher class

What are you talking about? Are you superior to those in the back because you can afford to fly in Business Class while others don't have the money to do the same?

There isn't a thing such as "lower" or "higher" classes.
Airlines do not apply marxist dialectic, neither do they establish a cast system.

The people flying in Economy are in a class just as "high" as those who fly in Business and First.
There is not one cabin on the aircrafts that is "higher" than the other.

In the end -- whether you like it or not -- all the passengers on one same aircraft are getting to the desination airport at the same time anyway -- and whether you like it or not -- when the flight is all done with, they havve the right to exit the plane at the time they like.

Again if it bothers you that other people are on the same flight you are, feel free to hire your own private jet. You will not have to deal with queues exiting the aircraft or at the immigration/customs counters.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
Are you superior to those in the back because you can afford to fly in Business Class while others don't have the money to do the same?

While you're on the plane, certainly.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
neither do they establish a cast system.

Yes they do, they absolutely do. They have classes, and classes within classes. Look at the frequent flier program, and try booking the lowest price ticket and see when you can get your seat assigned.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
lower classes
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
higher class

What are you talking about? Are you superior to those in the back because you can afford to fly in Business Class while others don't have the money to do the same?

There isn't a thing such as "lower" or "higher" classes.
Airlines do not apply marxist dialectic, neither do they establish a cast system.

The people flying in Economy are in a class just as "high" as those who fly in Business and First.
There is not one cabin on the aircrafts that is "higher" than the other.

In the end -- whether you like it or not -- all the passengers on one same aircraft are getting to the desination airport at the same time anyway -- and whether you like it or not -- when the flight is all done with, they havve the right to exit the plane at the time they like.

Again if it bothers you that other people are on the same flight you are, feel free to hire your own private jet. You will not have to deal with queues exiting the aircraft or at the immigration/customs counters.

I find your comments surprising for someone who must have flown Concorde many times. I agree with other posters that one of the major advantages of paying a much higher premium class fare is the usual faster boarding and deplaning, including "fast-track" security checks at many airports, as well as the advantage offered by most airliknes I've flown on of being permitted to deplane before economy class passengers. I cannot recall a widebody flight in J or F class where those passengers weren't given priority to deplane first. I know you also travel very frequently from your many posts and am surprised that you seem to have a different opinion.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I find your comments surprising for someone who must have flown Concorde many times.

Concorde was a One-Class aircraft.
There was no First, no Business, no Economy.
It was all Concorde Class.

Your comment is therefore totally irrelevant.

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineChrisCruise From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Faster access through C&I is often pitched as one of the advantages of Business Class...

I agree! Airlines constantly advertise that priority boarding and deboarding are part of your business class ticket. If the airline does not offer you this service then you have reason to complain. You pay for what they offer!



Flown:319, 320, 321, 343, 388, 733, 738, 742, 744, 752, 763, 764, 772, 77W, CR7, CR9, DC9-31, E70, E90, F70, F100, MD11
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 11):
I agree! Airlines constantly advertise that priority boarding and deboarding are part of your business class ticket.

HONs and Senators,, GS and 1Ks and often Gold card elites are generally able to board at the same time as Business Class passengers even if they are seating in Economy.

LH Hon are getting permanent access to FCT in Frankfurt and LH/LX/UA First Class lounges worldwide 365/365 whatever class they are flying.

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineChrisCruise From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4016 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
HONs and Senators,, GS and 1Ks and often Gold card elites are generally able to board at the same time as Business Class passengers even if they are seating in Economy.

LH Hon are getting permanent access to FCT in Frankfurt and LH/LX/UA First Class lounges worldwide 365/365 whatever class they are flying.

Let's get back to the topic! I do not believe most of those passengers onboard to JNB in Y were Silver, Gold or Platinum members of Flying Blue or other Skyteam related FF programs! AF just released all passengers at once and you know that at some airports being first or last to immigration can mean you are out of the airport hours later.

Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
Have you thought of those who have done the whole same flight sitting all these long hours in tight Economy seats with less than average onboard service and eating crappy meals out of plastic plates and cups?


Maybe, maybe, this explains the price difference between an economy ticket and a business class ticket.

Adios,

Christian



Flown:319, 320, 321, 343, 388, 733, 738, 742, 744, 752, 763, 764, 772, 77W, CR7, CR9, DC9-31, E70, E90, F70, F100, MD11
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 13):
AF just released all passengers at once and you know that at some airports being first or last to immigration can mean you are out of the airport hours later.

AF has the right to manage their own flights as they wish. The Chef de Cabine (Purser) is given all power by the captain to manage the cabins as he/she thinks is best.

If we do not like how one airline proceeds, we always have the choice to move on to the competition and fly with them.

.   



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineChrisCruise From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
If we do not like how one airline proceeds, we always have the choice to move on to the competition and fly with them.

You are right, but your reaction to somebody complaining about one aspect of the service/product is in my opinion exaggerated. Everybody has his/her aspects of service they don't like. I can remember someone complaining about the business class product of a carrier not receiving a servet with an icecream!

[Edited 2010-06-09 03:47:45]


Flown:319, 320, 321, 343, 388, 733, 738, 742, 744, 752, 763, 764, 772, 77W, CR7, CR9, DC9-31, E70, E90, F70, F100, MD11
User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1304 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):

Concorde was a One-Class aircraft.
There was no First, no Business, no Economy.
It was all Concorde Class.

Your comment is therefore totally irrelevant.

Reminds me of a time last year at school when Arthur Miller had a session of "Miller's Court" one weekend. Someone in the audience was saying how all the rich executives probably flew in to ROC in F, and right at that moment Mr. Miller and the man sitting next to me, who had just finished responding to one of Miller's questions (he and Miller knew each other already, and happened to sit next to each other on the flight in) both said together, "There was no first class!" This man is also the person who wrote the contract for Michael D. Eisner, former CEO of the Walt Disney Company.

Anyway, the reason I'm responding to this is that we all know the Concorde had a single class. However, it was far superior even to most F products today. On the other hand, on a Piedmont Airlines Dash 8-100 or an Air Wisconsin CRJ-200 operating for US Airways Express also has a single class cabin. Yet, if you have Preferred Status with US Airways, you are allowed to choose a seat in one of the first few rows or the exit row at the time of booking; if you don't, then you can pay extra for some seats or choose a regular seat in the middle or the back of the plane, as some seats are simply not able to be chosen even though they are unoccupied.

I don't have Preferred Status with US Airways (I did at one point, but that's irrelevant). Even on their regional flights that only have an economy cabin, frequent fliers with status are always allowed to board first. That's certainly one disparity between those with status and the masses.

One time I was flying DTW-LGA, and I had chosen an exit row seat. When I gave the agent at the gate my boarding pass, he stepped away for a moment. When he came back, he said that my seat had been changed to 21B -- which was right next to the engine on that DC-9. I was appalled, but when I walked by the exit rows, I saw a bag that had a "SkyMiles Platinum" tag on it (or something of the like), and I knew why I was bumped. Luckily, I was able to switch with someone and got the row behind the exit.

Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 15):
You are right, but your reaction to somebody complaining about one aspect of the service/product is in my opinion exaggerated. Everybody has his/her aspects of service they don't like. I can remember someone complaining about the business class product of a carrier not receiving a servet with an icecream!

As I mentioned earlier, I can remember two people who probably have the highest tier of frequent flier status on their particular airline complain that the aircraft didn't have first class.

-J.



Tho' I've belted you an' flayed you, By the livin' Gawd that made you, You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I find your comments surprising for someone who must have flown Concorde many times.

Concorde was a One-Class aircraft.
There was no First, no Business, no Economy.
It was all Concorde Class.

Your comment is therefore totally irrelevant.

I was also referring to departure procedures (fast-track security lines etc.) where Concorde passengers certainly received priority treatment and were subject to shorter check-in times. My general comment was that expedited boarding/deplaning and airport handling should be an automatic benefit of paying the high premium class fares, and it is in my experience with rare exceptions.


User currently offlinemindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting warren747sp (Thread starter):
The problem is with deplaning in JNB being on the upper deck we have only one exit on the left. By the time we deplaned almost have of the people in economy class down stairs have already deplaned so we are stuck in a long que at immigration.

I have noticed that most of the time the jetway for the upperdeck is taking more time to place than for the main deck. While the main deck jetway is already in place for the disembarkation, the upper one is still far from the plane. Since most of the business class on the A380 are on the upper deck, most J class passengers are disembarking after the Y class.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
On SQ and UA, cabin staff block the aisles to prevent lower classes from having access to the doors until the higher class has deplaned (they block Business while First deplanes, then block Economy while Business deplanes). Perhaps AF needs to do the same.

AF is doing the same. On other aircraft types, F/A are blocking the Y class passengers at disembarkation until all J class passengers are off the plane. F class passengers are having their own escort. Here we are talking about the particularity of the A380. In case of AF, J class passengers are not supposed to go downstairs to disembark, but may be AF should proceed that way if the steering of the upper deck jetway is not yet efficient.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 547 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
What are you talking about? Are you superior to those in the back because you can afford to fly in Business Class while others don't have the money to do the same?

There isn't a thing such as "lower" or "higher" classes.
Airlines do not apply marxist dialectic, neither do they establish a cast system.

The people flying in Economy are in a class just as "high" as those who fly in Business and First.
There is not one cabin on the aircrafts that is "higher" than the other.

As much as I respect you Madame, I could not disagree more with this statement.

I do not fly premium (when I do) necessarily because I believe I am of a higher class. I do so because I believe the necessities I require when I travel are that of greater importance than can be achieved in coach. Thankfully, my company too feels the same way. There are a number of luxuries afforded to premium travel that are essential to travel in a manner I find fit. Having a few laptop screens broken and a red-eye transcon sitting next to someone with turrets syndrome hitting me every few minutes, I greatly value and appreciate the opportunity to have space and privacy. It is very difficult to get sleep/work done surrounded by such distractions.

I know you have traveled in all classes and around the world. Sure there may be exceptions, but you must agree many people (particularly in the US) will travel coach as if they had a picture posted on peopleofwalmart.com. Generally speaking traveling in upper class settings is more conducive to a professional atmosphere. For those of us who never got to experience the "glory days" of aviation, but would love to bring it back can also find great value in upscale, civilized, and professional travel.

Saying there is no distinction between "classes" is saying there is no distinction between needs. I do not NEED to be served when I wish or have turn down service, but it is a luxury I feel worth the price paid. Simply because someone else can not afford such luxuries should not diminish my ability to secure them. This will include AF not giving priority to business class on the 380. Shame on them if this is a standard practice.

My $.02  



By reading the above post you waive all rights to be offended. If you do not like what you read, forget it.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
New Biz Class: SQ, QF or VS; which do you prefer? posted Fri May 8 2009 02:42:08 by Ansett767
Best EK A380 Business Class Seat? posted Sun Apr 19 2009 09:23:46 by SeansasLCY
First LatAm Carrier With A380 - Your Bets? posted Sat Feb 14 2009 01:59:45 by Gonzalo
LH Biz Class Question posted Fri Dec 12 2008 19:47:37 by WhatUsaid
Biz Class SFO-Asia ... UA Or NH posted Sat Dec 15 2007 22:10:54 by Airbear
IAD-Manila Biz Class - Which Airline? posted Tue Sep 18 2007 01:21:34 by AA87
How Is SQ Biz Class posted Sat Apr 21 2007 12:34:41 by CXfirst
AC New Biz Class Or BA CW To LHR? posted Sun Dec 3 2006 16:53:52 by AC345
Best Airline USA-costa Rica Biz Class? posted Mon Nov 20 2006 00:19:47 by Alaskaqantas
JFK-SFO - UAL Or AA Biz Class...help Me Decide posted Sat Nov 4 2006 02:17:45 by Dmanmtl