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User currently offlineuta999 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 73 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5048 times:
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Air France may have started something here.

Last weekend I joined the first AF A380 service from LHR to CDG. Billed as a limited crew training exercise for the summer this could prove to be a turning point for the A380. It is becoming a modern day Concorde, turning heads and getting ordinary people's attention not seen for a while. People want to fly in it, but not necessarily long distances.

Airbus need to look at this and build a basic $250m short haul version and offer to lease them in large numbers. It needs to have a cabin layout with no IFE or options for airlines to change, other than the number of classes available. The daft airline customisation of the A380 has nearly killed it and Airbus, as has Hamburg.

If handled correctly the A380 could become the B747 of 1970s. A plane for everyone rather than just the long haul elite. Airports need to be less worried about the A380 and it's size too. AF this week proved it is as agile as an A320 by starting the take-off roll on 27L just 300m from the gate; from the S4 intersection with 538 passengers on board! We climbed out of London like an excited puppy and even on arrival at CDG it cornered like it was on rails. The French are fearless creatures.

You can rely on Air France for an experience.



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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

Quoting uta999 (Thread starter):
as has Hamburg.

Could you please explain this a little more?


User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Good lord, an A380SP, what a munter that would be!!

User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Too hard to turn around, way too many problems.....


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlinejlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Didn't Boeing just postpone indefinitely, the "short haul" 787-3 Dream-liner? What were Boeing's reasons for this delay, and do any of their reasons match the problems anticipated with a short haul Airbus A380?


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

I always wonder - these short hop A380 departures are reported with TOW around 370tons, so why not build a short range twin A370 that has the A3510 engines?

User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4340 times:
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As said they could do an A380SP type of jet. They would probably want to keep the IFE though. The A380 has been always been shown to be a large yet almost luxurious jet. Removing the IFE just makes it a whale jet. I think short haul though it would only work on a few routes. Like the LHR-CDG route. Maybe it would work on JFK-LAX. But not too many more routes would be able to take such a big increase.
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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4070 times:
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Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 6):
Maybe it would work on JFK-LAX


are you Joking? the biggest aircraft we see are 767 (except the token qantas 747, that cant pick up domestic passengers), on that route frequency is king.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting uta999 (Thread starter):
It is becoming a modern day Concorde, turning heads

How can you compare the A380 to Concorde?
How dare you say that Concorde was a "modern day" when it is still the fastest passenger aircraft?

Where are the reheats on acceleration?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDhpdo9R5uk
Where's life in the cabin flying at Mach 2,05 at 60,000 ft?

Only 14 Concordes in service for how many A380s and how many more to come?

The A380 is just another airplane, only it is much bigger.
Be realistic!

In a few years no one will turn their heads seeing an A380. They will become common fare.

Concorde was loved. She turned heads from thte very first take off to her very last landing and still gets heaps of visitors in the different museums and millions now wishing they would have experienced what it was like to fly on her.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
so why not build a short range twin A370 that has the A3510 engines?

That would be one ugly aircraft.   

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
The A380 is just another airplane,

Whoa watch it there my friend.
The A380 is the most beautiful and amazing aircraft to come out since the A340.


Long live quads!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3305 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3861 times:
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Quoting superfly (Reply 9):
The A380 is the most beautiful and amazing aircraft to come out since the A340.

Your current taste in aircraft reflects your taste in women! hahaha.

Personally, I think the A380 was always going to be a niche aircraft (long-haul, high capacity). A short-haul "domestic" version might work in Asia (although the A380 hasn't sold very well there, yet), but it would never be successful in Europe where low-cost airlines are king, or in the USA, where passengers and airlines depend on frequency rather than capacity.

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 10):
Personally, I think the A380 was always going to be a niche aircraft (long-haul, high capacity). A short-haul "domestic" version might work in Asia (although the A380 hasn't sold very well there, yet), but it would never be successful in Europe where low-cost airlines are king, or in the USA, where passengers and airlines depend on frequency rather than capacity.

I am purely going by aesthetics. Not concerned about the economics.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3305 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3844 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I am purely going by aesthetics. Not concerned about the economics.

Haha, that was directed more at the opening poster's topic. My comment to you ended with my "ahahaha"

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