uta999 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 18 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3630 times:
Air France may have started something here.
Last weekend I joined the first AF A380 service from LHR to CDG. Billed as a limited crew training exercise for the summer this could prove to be a turning point for the A380. It is becoming a modern day Concorde, turning heads and getting ordinary people's attention not seen for a while. People want to fly in it, but not necessarily long distances.
Airbus need to look at this and build a basic $250m short haul version and offer to lease them in large numbers. It needs to have a cabin layout with no IFE or options for airlines to change, other than the number of classes available. The daft airline customisation of the A380 has nearly killed it and Airbus, as has Hamburg.
If handled correctly the A380 could become the B747 of 1970s. A plane for everyone rather than just the long haul elite. Airports need to be less worried about the A380 and it's size too. AF this week proved it is as agile as an A320 by starting the take-off roll on 27L just 300m from the gate; from the S4 intersection with 538 passengers on board! We climbed out of London like an excited puppy and even on arrival at CDG it cornered like it was on rails. The French are fearless creatures.
jlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 606 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
Didn't Boeing just postpone indefinitely, the "short haul" 787-3 Dream-liner? What were Boeing's reasons for this delay, and do any of their reasons match the problems anticipated with a short haul Airbus A380?
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4268 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
I always wonder - these short hop A380 departures are reported with TOW around 370tons, so why not build a short range twin A370 that has the A3510 engines?
jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2053 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2922 times:
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As said they could do an A380SP type of jet. They would probably want to keep the IFE though. The A380 has been always been shown to be a large yet almost luxurious jet. Removing the IFE just makes it a whale jet. I think short haul though it would only work on a few routes. Like the LHR-CDG route. Maybe it would work on JFK-LAX. But not too many more routes would be able to take such a big increase.
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are you Joking? the biggest aircraft we see are 767 (except the token qantas 747, that cant pick up domestic passengers), on that route frequency is king.
Only 14 Concordes in service for how many A380s and how many more to come?
The A380 is just another airplane, only it is much bigger.
Be realistic!
In a few years no one will turn their heads seeing an A380. They will become common fare.
Concorde was loved. She turned heads from thte very first take off to her very last landing and still gets heaps of visitors in the different museums and millions now wishing they would have experienced what it was like to fly on her.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3240 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2443 times:
Quoting superfly (Reply 9): The A380 is the most beautiful and amazing aircraft to come out since the A340.
Your current taste in aircraft reflects your taste in women! hahaha.
Personally, I think the A380 was always going to be a niche aircraft (long-haul, high capacity). A short-haul "domestic" version might work in Asia (although the A380 hasn't sold very well there, yet), but it would never be successful in Europe where low-cost airlines are king, or in the USA, where passengers and airlines depend on frequency rather than capacity.
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Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38594 posts, RR: 79 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2436 times:
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 10): Personally, I think the A380 was always going to be a niche aircraft (long-haul, high capacity). A short-haul "domestic" version might work in Asia (although the A380 hasn't sold very well there, yet), but it would never be successful in Europe where low-cost airlines are king, or in the USA, where passengers and airlines depend on frequency rather than capacity.
I am purely going by aesthetics. Not concerned about the economics.
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