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American Carriers Who Flew The Super DC-8  
User currently offlinebullwinkle From United States of America, joined May 2010, 29 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

Was wondering what airlines, if any, besides United and Delta flew the DC-8-61,62,71?

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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7172 times:

The -60's series of DC-8's were used by many carriers in the US. When the re-engining program came about, I do believe that only Delta and United did a large portion of their fleets.


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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7147 times:
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Buffalo Airways operated 1 DC-8-61 and a -62.
International Charter Xpress used 5 -62CF
Rich International had 7 -62s and a -63
Pacific East Air used -61,-62,and -63
Notheastern used some -62s
Arista Intl -62 and -61 was flown
Overseas Natioanl was a large operator of -61a and -63s
Capitol Air also used them.

All above info from Tom Norwoods books Deregulation KNockouts I and II.

Trans International later Transamerica then Trans International after Transamerica Corp sold it off.
TransContinental cargo



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

UPS flew them up until last year I think. Those were always good looking planes too. Flying Tiger Line had some as well, but I don't know if they were pax or cargo models.

I just remembered that Arrow Air flew stretched DC-8s as well, both passenger and cargo versions.



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2195 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

The original National, -61 Eastern, -61 and 63 Braniff, -62


I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

Universal airlines
Wein Air Alaska
National
Overseas National
Capitol
World
Trans International
Kallita
United
Delta
Flying Tigers
Southern Air Transport
UPS
Arrow Air
Fine Air
Murray Air
ATI
Seaboard World
Trans Continental
Challenge
Rich International
Hawaiian
Burlington
Flagship Express cargo
DHL
Airborne
Emery
MGM Grand Air
American Flyers
Saturn
Eastern
Airlift
Braniff


User currently offlineivo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7039 times:

ATI -71


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Hawaiian -62


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Zantop -62


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Seaboard World -61


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Capitol -61


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Flying Tigers -63


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Burlington Air Express -71


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And lots more.........

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User currently offlineivo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

Wow, What a nice Zantop..

Sorry, this is the real thing:


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

If you broaden the definition of "American" to mean "North American", at least 7 Canadian carriers operated -60/-70 series DC-8s.

Air Canada - 61, 63, 63F, 73F
CP Air - 63
Quebecair - 63
Nationair - 61, 63
Worldways Canada - 63
Points of Call - 61
Minerve Canada - 61


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
If you broaden the definition of "American" to mean "North American"

And since Mexico is also in North America...

Aeronaves de Mexico and Aeromexico (same airline, name changed February 1972) operated a pair of DC-8-63CFs leased from Trans International for 3 years, March 1971 to March 1974.
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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

One more North American Super DC-8 operator that hasn't been mentioned is Puerto Rico-based Trans Caribbean Airlines, (3) DC-8-61CFs, 1967-71.

User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Nationair - 61, 63

They also had -62s.


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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Points of Call - 61

Actually theirs was a -52.


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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1941 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

All of the USA trunk carriers that stuck wtih the DC-8, flew the stretch version:
UA -61, -71, -62
DL -61, -71
EA -61, -63
NA -61

BN became a DC-8 operator with the acquisition of Panagra. They then ordered more -62's and used that aircraft as the mainstay of their fleet for their South American operations until shutdown in 1982.

EA and NA sold off their fleets before the -71 conversion became available, and National, I believe, only had two -61's, one of which I flew on between Houston and New Orleans. EA ordered their fleet of -61's for NYC-MIA service and service to SJU. But a few years later, the L-1011 was in service and Eastern leased their -61's to JAL and Capitol. Their -63's were ordered for anticipated Pacific routes that never materialized and MAC charters. These aircraft were sold off after a few years.

Supplemental airline TIA took factory delivery of both -61's and -63's, and Flying Tigers acquired a number of new -63's, as did World. I believe ONA and Capitol also took factory delivery of new aircraft, but I am not sure and may be wrong about that. The Stretch Eight was the premier charter aircraft and freighter, and the extra capacity was achieved for an operating cost not much greater than the DC-8-50 and B-707-320B/C.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 11):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
Points of Call - 61

Actually theirs was a -52.

The Transport Canada aircraft registry history also shows DC-8-61 C-FCMV registered to Points of Call on November 14, 1989. Registration was cancelled a month later on December 14, 1989, but it was registered to them again 4 days later on December 18, 1989 but then cancelled 2 weeks later on January 2, 1990. That was no doubt when they were in the process of going bust and the aircraft likely never operated for them.

It was an original Eastern aircraft which was leased to JAL for 7 years in the 1970s and then had various other operators. It was registered C-FCMV when operated briefly by Minerve Canada, a Canadian subsidiary of French charter carrier Minerve which merged with French carrier Air Outre Mer in 1992 to form AOM Minerve which later became part of Air Liberté which changed its name to Air Lib before going bust.


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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6032 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 12):
EA ordered their fleet of -61's for NYC-MIA service and service to SJU. But a few years later, the L-1011 was in service and Eastern leased their -61's to JAL and Capitol. Their -63's were ordered for anticipated Pacific routes

EA's (6) DC-8-63PFs were the only PF versions sold by McDonnell Douglas. Being designed to facilitate conversion from pax to freighter configuration at a later date, the variant had an especially high resale value...so much so that EA was able to get 3-4 years pax service from their -63PFs for minimal net cost of ownership.

EA's "Super Eights" could be spotted somewhat regularly at FRA (Rhein-Main Air Base) ~1970-73 while operating MAC charter flights. No doubt a "prized catch" for those who spent time at the FRA Besucherterrasse "back in the day!"


User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5981 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
The Transport Canada aircraft registry history also shows DC-8-61 C-FCMV registered to Points of Call on November 14, 1989. Registration was cancelled a month later on December 14, 1989, but it was registered to them again 4 days later on December 18, 1989 but then cancelled 2 weeks later on January 2, 1990. That was no doubt when they were in the process of going bust and the aircraft likely never operated for them.



Interesting clarification, thanks for the information.

I recall seeing the Points of Call DC-8-52 at a gate in YYC, during a turn. I dragged the F/O over to look at it, as I told him, he'd likely never see anything like it again. It had the old interior with the Palomar seats! The forward "lounge" area we are so familiar with had 9 Y seats instead. 6 starboard and 3 port, with the galley and lavs behind them.



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User currently offlinejalap From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 15):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
The Transport Canada aircraft registry history also shows DC-8-61 C-FCMV registered to Points of Call on November 14, 1989. Registration was cancelled a month later on December 14, 1989, but it was registered to them again 4 days later on December 18, 1989 but then cancelled 2 weeks later on January 2, 1990. That was no doubt when they were in the process of going bust and the aircraft likely never operated for them.



Interesting clarification, thanks for the information.

I recall seeing the Points of Call DC-8-52 at a gate in YYC, during a turn. I dragged the F/O over to look at it, as I told him, he'd likely never see anything like it again. It had the old interior with the Palomar seats! The forward "lounge" area we are so familiar with had 9 Y seats instead. 6 starboard and 3 port, with the galley and lavs behind them.

For the last decade or so of CP Air DC-8 service, the forward F class lounge was replaced with 6 Y class seats. They were normally only assigned when the main Y class cabin was full but they probably generated quite a bit of revenue during peak periods. I remember sitting there on a YYZ-YVR flight on a CP DC-8-43 once. Much shorter lines for the lavatories as those passengers used the 2 F class lavatories, and CP only had 12 F class seats on DC-8s then.

That Points of Call DC-8-52 was one of the last of the original -10 through -50 series DC-8s built (delivered to NZ in February 1968). The only passenger DC-8-50s built after that one were one -55F combi for IB followed by 3 all-passenger DC-8-53s for AC (CF-TIH/TII/TIJ) delivered between August and October 1968. The only non-60 series DC-8s built after those AC aircraft were the last 4 -54F pure freighters for UA.

As a sidenote, the last all-passenger DC-8-50 built, AC's CF-TIJ, was the one that caught fiire during fueling and was destroyed while parked at the gate at YYZ on June 21, 1973, prior to operating YYZ-ZRH. That was only 2 months after AC moved from the original T1 to T2 at YYZ.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9964 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

Quoting ivo (Reply 7):
Sorry, this is the real thing:

Are you sure??? Doesn't look like a "stretch" to me.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
For the last decade or so of CP Air DC-8 service, the forward F class lounge was replaced with 6 Y class seats.


AC did the same thing, but only on the 227Y seat DC-8s used for Caribbean and Rapidair flight. Oddly enough, those 6 Y seats were Palomar seats, (the rest of the aircraft was not so equipped) as there were no overhead racks installed in that area. Those six seats also had a unique safety card unlike the rest of the aircraft for that reason.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
The only passenger DC-8-50s built after that one were one -55F combi for IB followed by 3 all-passenger DC-8-53s for AC (CF-TIH/TII/TIJ) delivered between August and October 1968.


Those AC aircraft were unlike the rest of the DC-8-40/50 fleet of AC, in that they had the new DC-8-60 interiors installed without Palomar seats. As that Points-of-Call DC-8 did have Palomar seats, then those three DC-8-50s must have been the only non-Palomar "short" eights built.

TIJ as you note was lost in a fire, but TIH/TII were known internally as "Disco Duck" and "Waltzing Matilda". Apparently they had the advanced autopilot of the -60s, but with the short fuselage, they never settled down in cruise.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
Are you sure??? Doesn't look like a "stretch" to me.

That's a -62.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9964 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 20):
That's a -62.

Ok.....just doesn't look right to me.....maybe it's the paint job



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 20):
Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
Are you sure??? Doesn't look like a "stretch" to me.

That's a -62.

It's still a "stretch" even if the stretch is only 7 ft. not 37 ft. like the -61 and -63.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9964 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5302 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
It's still a "stretch" even if the stretch is only 7 ft. not 37 ft. like the -61 and -63.

Well, that's my mistake, then. Since DL never flew -62s, I never knew there was a difference between those and -61s & -63s.




[quote=rikkus67,reply=1]When the re-engining program came about, I do believe that only Delta and United did a large portion of their fleets.






Cammco did the first conversion for DL, then DL realized they could do the rest themselves and did the rest of their fleet (IIRC 13 a/c total) and also did some conversions for UPS, Emery and BNAF.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 23):
Cammco did the first conversion for DL, then DL realized they could do the rest themselves and did the rest of their fleet (IIRC 13 a/c total) and also did some conversions for UPS, Emery and BNAF.

Minor correctipn: Cammacorp, not Cammco. AC also did their own conversions of 6 -63F freighters to -73Fs. The -63Fs had previously been converted from AC passenger aircraft.


25 Post contains images mayor : Well, give me some credit for almost remembering it. Nowadays, for me, that's an accomplishment.
26 falcon flyer : Gulf Air Transport, later renamed Trans Ocean, operated several 60 series stretch -8s along with at least one short lived -70 series back in the 80s b
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