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User currently offlinecontrails67 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 68 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

Sometimes while flying, the cabin crew makes an announcement that you may not use the bathroom in another class different from yours. I was curious as to whether there was a an actual aeronautical regulation or they just don't want economy class passengers using business class bathrooms. Do flight attendants ever actually enforce this announcement?

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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

You pretty much said it, they want to herd the cattle and keep them where they need to be     

I have personally seen people being turned away from heading into the J or F lavatory because they are sitting in Y and the same can and usually does happen to J passengers who want to venture into F. If I recall I think it may have happened to me as well.

Other airlines such as the big 5 star ones will never let you venture into a higher class for whatever the reason may be.

However when its the other way around things are different. A passenger sitting in F will venture out into J and Y or a J into Y to stretch out their legs on a long flight or take pictures as some anetter do.

Does anyone know the actual safety concern that is associated with this.

AA Ive noticed has a 50/50 announcement where sometimes the FA will announce For Safety/Security reasons pleaseo only use the lavatory where you are ticketed and the other times they leave out the Safety bit


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 1):
I have personally seen people being turned away from heading into the J or F lavatory because they are sitting in Y and the same can and usually does happen to J passengers who want to venture into F.

I have seen that happen many, many times. Some carriers don't seem to care, and in my experience they're the carriers with the lowest standards in their premium cabins. Passengers paying several times the Y class fare for F and J class service shouldn't have to compete with the entire Y class cabin for access to lavatories in the premium cabins. That's all part of the service they're paying for.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27305 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8983 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
and in my experience they're the carriers with the lowest standards in their premium cabins

Very true , same thing happens with overhead luggage. Its actually Swiss that have signs saying ''Business Class only'' on the overhead lockers and rightfully so. I have seen a bag checked where a Y class passenger upon boarding put his large case above row 1 then made his way down to the back. Meanwhile a J class passenger had no where to put his own case above his seat. Crew should enforce bathrooms and lockers all the time. I have seen Y class passengers streaming up to Business class and interupting the service ( blocking the aisle ).


User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8915 times:

Happened to me on my TG BKK-SIN flight on a Boeing 777-200ER. Despite a sign saying "Royal Silk Class only" on the Business Class lavatories, an economy passenger barged up to use after I finished using it as the curtains were not closed.


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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8900 times:

Forgive my frank words.

Unless it's a true bladder or colon emergency, passengers should use the lavatories in their assigned cabins.

The forward cabins are occupied by people who have paid for or earned the right to have a serene, uncontested bathroom.

Scottie


User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8829 times:

Like many policies there are multiple reasons for its existence. The safety citation is related to the no-congregating around the cockpit door regulation. The premium cabin lavs are usually near the flight deck door. The main reason that the premium lavs are always off limits to passengers not ticketed in that cabin is that the premium passengers paid a premium and should no have to wait in long lines for a lavatory.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 5):
The forward cabins are occupied by people who have paid for or earned the right to have a serene, uncontested bathroom.

Not all lavatories are like that in the F class area......



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8771 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 5):
The forward cabins are occupied by people who have paid for or earned the right to have a serene, uncontested bathroom.

I was told that people that sat in those "forward cabin seats" didn't actually ever go to the bathroom.   


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1643 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
Sometimes while flying, the cabin crew makes an announcement that you may not use the bathroom in another class different from yours. I was curious as to whether there was a an actual aeronautical regulation or they just don't want economy class passengers using business class bathrooms.

This is much more enforced on US bound flights, for obvious reasons.

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
Do flight attendants ever actually enforce this announcement?

Yes, because at my airline we are obliged to maintain the exclusivity of the premium cabins, especially because the lavs are most times located either in the front or middle of the premium cabins (sans A380, but then that's a whole different level) which then increases aisle traffic in the J cabin. We rarely ever have Economy Class passengers using the F lavs, they don't usually make it that far without being stopped by cabin crew  
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
Passengers paying several times the Y class fare for F and J class service shouldn't have to compete with the entire Y class cabin for access to lavatories in the premium cabins. That's all part of the service they're paying for.

Yes, and also our J and F lavs are differently stocked than our Y lavs. We have additional toiletries (cologne, lotions etc) and towels in the premium cabin lavs as compared to our Y lavs.


Quoting iairallie (Reply 6):
Like many policies there are multiple reasons for its existence. The safety citation is related to the no-congregating around the cockpit door regulation.

Yes, again, especially on US and Europe bound flights.



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User currently offlineiairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8733 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 8):
I was told that people that sat in those "forward cabin seats" didn't actually ever go to the bathroom.

They do but when they do it smells like roses LOL


User currently offlinetennis69 From Qatar, joined Apr 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8706 times:
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Quoting Schweigend (Reply 5):
Forgive my frank words.

Unless it's a true bladder or colon emergency, passengers should use the lavatories in their assigned cabins.

The forward cabins are occupied by people who have paid for or earned the right to have a serene, uncontested bathroom.

Could not have said it better myself.


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8617 times:

Cattle should be kept where they are designated. I find it very annoying to have coach passengers use the lavs in business class.

User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 731 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

As two other people have already pointed out...

The thought and rationale behind keeping the FC lav for FC customers was also to ensure large "groups" weren't congregating around the forward lav... which also tends to be located next to a door that for the majority of the flight if not the entire flight remains shut. All I need to say on that one... you all can fill in the pieces for the rest....

[Edited 2010-08-29 14:20:55]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

On 2-class E-190/195s, with only one lavatory for Y class, there's a very high passentgers-to-lavatory ratio compared to most types. For example, AC's E-190s have 9 J and 84 Y seats, with one lavatory at the front for the 9 J passengers and one at the rear for the 84 Y passengers.

That's not an issue on a 1 or 2 hour flight where hardly anyone uses the lavatories anyway, but on sectors like YYZ-SEA or YYZ-PDX with a block time of just over 5 hours, it's a bigger problem. Even the highest-density all-Y 737-800 with 189 seats has 1 lavatory for 63 passengers.


User currently offlineGeneralAviator From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

I have wondered if the "no congregating / don't use the lavatory outside your class" rule had a little bit to do with center of gravity (weights and balance). It probably doesn't. I always wondered what would happen if too many people went to one section of a big plane. It probably has nothing to do with it, but it has crossed my mind...

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8326 times:

Quoting GeneralAviator (Reply 15):
I have wondered if the "no congregating / don't use the lavatory outside your class" rule had a little bit to do with center of gravity (weights and balance). It probably doesn't. I always wondered what would happen if too many people went to one section of a big plane. It probably has nothing to do with it, but it has crossed my mind...

You wouldn't want to do it at takeoff or landing, but at cruise, the speed is high enough that the weight & balance is not as much of an issue. That's not to say it isn't important as the pilots and onboard computers can and are constantly adjusting the fuel to keep the CG in a specific window, but the window for "takeoff and landing" is different (more sensitive) than while at cruise.

Anyway, for the topic at hand:
I think it depends on the flight and the aircraft type. I can tell you that if I'm sitting in the first couple rows of Y on an MD-88 and the drink trolley is between me and rear lavs, I'm going to use the lav in F and have on multiple occasions. On a widebody or large a/c with multiple lavs, it becomes more practical to keep passengers in their assigned cabin.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

Is it not the case that you SHOULD get what you pay for?

1. A cabin with 14 seats and 2 toilets. Great space great meals and great leg room and personal service.

2. A cabin with 44 seat 2/3 toilets. Good space,nice meals and good service.

3. A cabin with 180 seats 4/8 toilets, Poor/okay space,average meals and okay service.

You KNOW what you are paying for before you fly, don't imagine you going to get anything else and you will not be disappointed.  



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8182 times:

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 9):

This is much more enforced on US bound flights, for obvious reasons.

It's a US federal regulation for any international bound flight coming into the States to have passengers stay in their own cabin - the regulation requires the airline to announce it to the passengers.


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