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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2071 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

I flew UA today from DEN-SFO in F class. In Denver, I went to the Red Carpet Club and the agent politely told me that UA does not have a domestic First/Business class lounge in Denver. She said the lounge is only for passengers traveling International or connecting to an International flight.

Is this the case only in DEN or throughout the network. I really do not fly UA that often but found it a little strange.

[Edited 2010-09-08 17:44:52]


John@SFO
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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

Probably throughout the network. DL has the same policy for it's SkyClub, which I found out in frustration in LAX back in January. I was booked on a Business Class ticket LAX-ATL-MCO, but when I arrived at the SkyClub, I was told I had to be on an international business class ticket ("Business Elite", not "Business"). My frustration stemmed from the fact that the DL website, at least the time, did not make this distinction clear. The night before, I stayed at the LAX USO but left about 5 am believing I would be able to access the SkyClub. I would have stayed at the LAX USO another hour or so had I known I wasn't going to be allowed into the SkyClub. I instead had to just wait around the main terminal for my flight, which wouldn't have been as bad if it had been light outside and I could take pictures of the aircraft but since it was before sunrise, I couldn't. Oh well...

User currently onlinebananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1578 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6436 times:

Quoting legacyins (Thread starter):
I flew UA today from DEN-SFO in F class. In Denver, I went to the Red Carpet Club and the agent politely told me that UA does not have a domestic First/Business class lounge in Denver.

UA doesn't specifically have any domestic first or business class lounges. Lounge access is not an amenity that is included in the price of a domestic F ticket.
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,1129,00.html

The only exception to this is, I believe, when flying JFK-SFO/LAX in p.s business class which does seem to get you Red Carpet Club access (though it's not listed as an amenity on their website), as does F on the same routes which get you access to their First Class lounges.

The F ticket does not in itself grant access to the RCC. You'd need to have a day pass, a RCC membership or a Star Alliance gold card from a non-USA airline member.

Mark



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 2):
The F ticket does not in itself grant access to the RCC. You'd need to have a day pass, a RCC membership or a Star Alliance gold card from a non-USA airline member.

That's the major difference between US and foreign carrier policies. With isolated exceptions, lounge access in the US for domestic travel is only for paying members of their clubs, regardless of class of service.

Elsewhere in the world, paying a first or business class fare virtually always includes lounge access. That's in addition to lounge access if you have the appropriate elite status in their FFP which then normally includes lounge access regardless of class of service, including economy class.

On the other hand, outside the US, airlines rarely upgrade elite FFP members to premium classes which is very common in the US. If you want to travel in F or J class on foreign carriers, you pay the appropriate fare. I've always thought that's one major reason why US carriers have tended to be less profitable than many major foreign carriers. And apart from the elite upgrades paying Y class fares, many other passengers in the premium seats are redeeming FFP miles.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
That's the major difference between US and foreign carrier policies. With isolated exceptions, lounge access in the US for domestic travel is only for paying members of their clubs, regardless of class of service.

What other countries have as large of a domestic market as the United States?

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
Elsewhere in the world, paying a first or business class fare virtually always includes lounge access. That's in addition to lounge access if you have the appropriate elite status in their FFP which then normally includes lounge access regardless of class of service, including economy class.

There's other ways to access the lounges in the US. You can gain it with your FFP. You can by daily, bulk, or yearly lounge access. You can also gain it with certain credit cards (my dad's Business American Express Card gains them access to Delta SkyClubs).

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
I've always thought that's one major reason why US carriers have tended to be less profitable than many major foreign carriers. And apart from the elite upgrades paying Y class fares, many other passengers in the premium seats are redeeming FFP miles.

Maybe, maybe not. How do airfares in Europe compare to airfares on similar routes in the US? On the busiest of routes, you have to be in the top tier of the Elite program and have to be buying the more expensive ticket codes. I can't say how it works at other airlines but on DL, if you buy a full-fare ticket and have elite status, you're automatically upgraded at the time of purchase. So DL plans ahead and charges a ridiculous amount for Y-fares knowing that many of the purchasers will end up in the premium cabin (at least on domestic routes. DL doesn't upgrade elites on transoceanic or intercontinental travel - only domestic US, Alaska, Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean, and I'm not sure about Hawaii). With all that said and for these reasons, I wonder how full Y fares in Europe compare to Y fares on similar routes in the US.


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