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UAE Visa Fee-$1,000 For Canadians Due To Emirates  
User currently offlinebrahmin From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 80 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12199 times:

According to Times of India. Eagerly waiting to see what will happen next. Who needs whom more?

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User currently offlinesebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12128 times:

Nothing will happen next.

The fee the embassy charges is not what the airlines charge

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ns-steep-visa-fees/article1851142/

[Edited 2010-12-28 22:33:22]

User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3024 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12109 times:
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Guess where I won't be going for the foreseeable future. I have strong doubts that this measure will do the UAE any good whatsoever. This will, more or less, eliminate virtually all Canadian tourist activity in the UAE. I don't see that many tourists paying $1000 for a visa alone.

All this over landing rights. How pathetic!



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User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12078 times:

It is ridiculous the way UAE government is behaving. The best thing for Canada to do is to do the same to UAE citizens visiting Canada.

However, there does appear to be some confusion, as the airlines can get the same visa for $83, compared to the $1000 posted on UAE embassy website.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12480 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11711 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 2):
This will, more or less, eliminate virtually all Canadian tourist activity in the UAE. I don't see that many tourists paying $1000 for a visa alone.

All this over landing rights. How pathetic!

Quite right - and how stupid too; after all, this is going to have a significant impact on the demand for flights (although I'm guessing the vast majority are connecting pax anyway), which will totally undermine the UAE's argument for more flights; talking about shooting yourself in the foot.

Quoting blrsea (Reply 3):
However, there does appear to be some confusion, as the airlines can get the same visa for $83, compared to the $1000 posted on UAE embassy website.

Even still, $93 for a visa is too much, particularly if you're only travelling.

I don't see Canada responding immediately, BUT if there are reports of Canadian nationals being intimidated or singled out for discriminatory treatment, I think we will see Canada respond.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11653 times:

This is a practical way to eliminate any needs of landing rights for more than one A332 a week.

User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1856 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11478 times:

Quoting brahmin (Thread starter):
According to Times of India. Eagerly waiting to see what will happen next. Who needs whom more?
Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 2):
This will, more or less, eliminate virtually all Canadian tourist activity in the UAE. I don't see that many tourists paying $1000 for a visa alone.

No its not. The UAE is a very lucrative economic powerhouse. It will make the Canadians shed their money to visit it for business or pleasure. Dont forget a lot of the Canadians are of Arab origins and have families in the Arabian Gulf. So, they will pay to get in.

Quoting blrsea (Reply 3):
The best thing for Canada to do is to do the same to UAE citizens visiting Canada.

Excuse me, but Emarati citizens have to pay a tourist visa to visit Canada for decades now! They are already doing the same!

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
Even still, $93 for a visa is too much, particularly if you're only travelling.

Well, if both countries are basically going to treat each other citizens' the same way whats not fair.

Canada has charged Emarati people for decades for a visit visa. Why shouldnt UAE do the same for Canadians?

The people who have blasted the UAE government are the same ones that will choose Emirates over the loss-making Air Canada any day of the year.



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User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11404 times:

Note that the $1000 fee is not for all visitors and would exclude the majority of short-term stays. The typical tourist would not be included in this category and would pay $250

•Multiple Entry Visa $1000 (Valid for 6 months, maximum stay in UAE 14 days each visit)
•Long term Visa $500 (Valid for 3 months, not renewable)
•Short term Visa $250 (Valid for 30 days, not renewable)
Source: http://www.uae-embassy.com/Visas.html

But these do appear steep compared with visa fees for UAE national wishing to visit Canada

•Temporary Resident Visa – TRV (visitor visa) - single entry $75
•Temporary Resident Visa – TRV (visitor visa) - multiple entry $150
Source: http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca...eau/visas/fees-frais.aspx?lang=eng

It remains to be seen if EY and/ or EK amend the fee that they charge for arranging a visa.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3024 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11390 times:
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Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
No its not.

Don't mean to come across as rude... but "It's not" what?

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
It will make the Canadians shed their money to visit it for business or pleasure.
Dont forget a lot of the Canadians are of Arab origins and have families in the Arabian Gulf. So, they will pay to get in.

How often, though?

Perhaps you're saying that all non-VFR travel to the UAE by Canadians is insignificant enough to just shrug off? Then I guess Canada was right after all in saying that there isn't enough traffic to support more flights than there already are between the two countries.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
Well, if both countries are basically going to treat each other citizens' the same way whats not fair.

Canada is being singled out, though.

Last time I checked, the UAE wasn't in the US Visa Waiver Program. Where's the reciprocity there?



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1856 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10650 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 8):
Don't mean to come across as rude... but "It's not" what?

Not at all rude, I meant that Its not going to prevent people from spending the money to visit the UAE.

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 8):
How often, though?

Quite so, there are a lot of Canadians in the UAE.

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 8):
Canada is being singled out, though.

Last time I checked, the UAE wasn't in the US Visa Waiver Program. Where's the reciprocity there?

Last time I checked, there were more than 3 flights per week between BA, KL, AF, ect... between Europe Canada. That is being singled out, even if the UAE arent the only ones being singled out.

Is it fair that LH gets more flights to more cities than EK?

There is proof that EK flights are doing excellent and that they need to increase their flights. They are being prevented by the monopolistic Government of Canada which does not encourage free trade and has an iron grip on whose allowed to fly there and whose not!



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5472 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10414 times:

The UAE has little to offer Canadian tourists. There is little to nothing there that one can't find cheaper and as good elsewhere. Dubai is overpriced and most days and nights the roads are like a parking lot. It's too hot for most of the year for any outdoor activities...even if there was something more exciting than a tour in the desert...and deserts one can get almost anywhere. They have indoor skiing on the most boring hill on the planet, censored internet and crappy turkey bacon.

For the same cash or less, Canadians can spend time in places of significant interest like London, Paris or Rome. Or, if one is looking for something more leisurely, there are fabulous packages to Vegas, Egypt, Thailand or Australia.

For Canadians that work there, the vast majority will have their visas paid for by their companies, just like their lodgings are paid for already.

Canadians connecting through the UAE, (which are most of the Canadian passengers on Emirati airlines), won't be bothered by the fees since they are just passing through.

So basically, it's just another bit of headline grabbing on a slow news day.



What the...?
User currently offlineCharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10355 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 9):
They are being prevented by the monopolistic Government of Canada which does not encourage free trade and has an iron grip on whose allowed to fly there and whose not!

I've got news for you. Most if not all governments have an iron grip on air travel to and from their country...and on a lot of other trade-related issues.

Fairness is completely irrelevant, it's all about what Canadians (via their elected government) percieve to be in their best interest. If the people there decide that they want EK flights bad enough, things will change. But the thought that EK should be allowed to fly there as much as they like regardless of the will of Canadians (Air Canada included) because it is "fair" is laughable. The world (and business) does not work that way.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10259 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
Quite right - and how stupid too; after all, this is going to have a significant impact on the demand for flights (although I'm guessing the vast majority are connecting pax anyway), which will totally undermine the UAE's argument for more flights; talking about shooting yourself in the foot.

I don't see that it's "quite right" at all based solely upon what you are saying. In this you are very much assuming what people will do and thus, may I ask what you are definitively basing your claim that pax will not pay for a visa on? The fact that you may perhaps not is of absolutely no relevance as to what other's choose to do, and certainly not to the extent that you can state it as fact....indeed, you state that you are only guessing about the majority of pax anyhow.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 10):
For the same cash or less, Canadians can spend time in places of significant interest like London, Paris or Rome. Or, if one is looking for something more leisurely, there are fabulous packages to Vegas, Egypt, Thailand or Australia.

Perhaps a valid enough point, but also non-sensical in many respects. Whilst such places described may very well be of 'significant interest', they aren't much good if the person want/needs to go to UAE......if you need/want to go to UAE what on earth use would a 'fabulous package' to Las Vegas be????? Sorry, but again there seems to be a lot of assumption being used as to making peoples minds up for them!

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 10):
The UAE has little to offer Canadian tourists. There is little to nothing there that one can't find cheaper and as good elsewhere. Dubai is overpriced and most days and nights the roads are like a parking lot. It's too hot for most of the year for any outdoor activities...even if there was something more exciting than a tour in the desert...and deserts one can get almost anywhere. They have indoor skiing on the most boring hill on the planet, censored internet and crappy turkey bacon.

Sorry here, but on what basis are YOU deciding what other's want or need as fact? You have previously pointed out that you have spent time there so thus, this is only your opinion and should be clearly stated as such. I also have spent a lot of time there and don't happen to agree with your opinion of UEA at all........are you stating I am thus wrong?


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1856 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 10):
The UAE has little to offer Canadian tourists. There is little to nothing there that one can't find cheaper and as good elsewhere. Dubai is overpriced and most days and nights the roads are like a parking lot. It's too hot for most of the year for any outdoor activities...even if there was something more exciting than a tour in the desert...and deserts one can get almost anywhere. They have indoor skiing on the most boring hill on the planet, censored internet and crappy turkey bacon.

I bet the freezing weather which covers 200% of Canada is a nice welcome to tourists. Well, why go to Canada, where we can just open a freezer and see the ice. Very very exciting. The UAE is seeing a million British tourists a year and thousands of Europeans which make Dubai their new home. Would much rather live in a hot climate like Dubai (which I have) than to spend all my money for Wild Canadian Moose to keep me warm during winter.

Quoting CharlieNoble (Reply 11):
Most if not all governments have an iron grip on air travel to and from their country...and on a lot of other trade-related issues.

Not UAE. It has an open-sky policy.



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5472 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10161 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 12):

Perhaps a valid enough point, but also non-sensical in many respects. Whilst such places described may very well be of 'significant interest', they aren't much good if the person want/needs to go to UAE......if you need/want to go to UAE what on earth use would a 'fabulous package' to Las Vegas be????? Sorry, but again there seems to be a lot of assumption being used as to making peoples minds up for them!

Most Canadian expats in the UAE have visas paid for by the company they work for. If you want to go there, just pay up...simple. It's small potatoes compared to what you're likely to pay for your UAE vacation anyway.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 12):
Sorry here, but on what basis are YOU deciding what other's want or need as fact? You have previously pointed out that you have spent time there so thus, this is only your opinion and should be clearly stated as such. I also have spent a lot of time there and don't happen to agree with your opinion of UEA at all........are you stating I am thus wrong?

No need to be sorry. I am not deciding anything for anybody. It's flattering that you thing any poster has enough stroke to sway the opinions of others. Anyone can do or go anywhere they choose...no skin off of my nose. I can only decided for myself where I go...as I can decide for my self what my opinions are...which I am very obviously expressing.

On the other hand, I haven't told any lies about the UAE, either. They do have censored internet, a crappy ski hill and lousy turkey bacon. Those are facts. The climate is brutally hot and humid for most of the year...that's why most UAE tourist attractions are indoors.

I have formed my opinion by years of working in the UAE and other middle eastern locales. If you like the UAE...swell...I don't.



What the...?
User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3011 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10088 times:

The saga so far:

- UAE demands more rights to EK)
- UAE threatens to evict Canada from Camp Mirage (Afghanistan forward operating base) unless it gets what it wants
- Canada offers other cities in addition to existing DXB on EK are Canadian citizens. The new fees will be an incentive to avoid DXB.
- In addition to new / expanded bilaterals with Qatar and Egypt, Canada has in the last 18 months signed new / expanded bilaterals with Turkey (TK), Ethiopia (ET), Morocco (AT), Tunisia, and the EU (SN to Africa, LH to Asia/Africa). India (AI and 9W) is on the to-do list. Watch for expanded TK and AI service.
- Canada now holds most of the cards. It could effectively shut down EK's N. American operations by imposing restrictions on overflights, which would cripple EK's routes to IAH/SFO/LAX and seriously impact JFK.

Ironically, the Canadian PM was actually in favour of giving EK additional rights until the UAE foot-stamping and threats started. The foreign diplomatic community in Ottawa is pointing at the UAE as a great lesson in how to make sure you don't get what you want.



Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 9):
Last time I checked, there were more than 3 flights per week between BA, KL, AF, ect... between Europe Canada. That is being singled out, even if the UAE arent the only ones being singled out.

Is it fair that LH gets more flights to more cities than EK?

See the EU bilateral, which covers all EU airlines, not just LH.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
Dont forget a lot of the Canadians are of Arab origins and have families in the Arabian Gulf. So, they will pay to get in.

But only a small proportion are Emirati. All the others now have lots of options other than EK.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
but Emarati citizens have to pay a tourist visa to visit Canada for decades now!

But not the extortionate fee now imposed by the UAE.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
The people who have blasted the UAE government are the same ones that will choose Emirates over the loss-making Air Canada any day of the year.

Evidence? As to AC being loss-making, you might actually want to check the facts - 2010 Q3 financials are here http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=384

[Edited 2010-12-29 05:28:24]

[Edited 2010-12-29 05:41:42]


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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5472 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9958 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 13):

I bet the freezing weather which covers 200% of Canada is a nice welcome to tourists. Well, why go to Canada, where we can just open a freezer and see the ice. Very very exciting. The UAE is seeing a million British tourists a year and thousands of Europeans which make Dubai their new home. Would much rather live in a hot climate like Dubai (which I have) than to spend all my money for Wild Canadian Moose to keep me warm during winter.

Good for you...that's why there are choices in this world and free will. We appreciate your concern but our tourism industry is doing just fine, thanks. Some folks like skiing on real mountains and eating real bacon.

I think we can count of fewer Canadian tourists to the UAE, though. Still, to each their own.

[Edited 2010-12-29 05:19:11]


What the...?
User currently offlinecaptain777 From Kuwait, joined Dec 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9856 times:

I don't think the UAE really cares about Canadian tourists, and I don't think they even gave a thought of how this action they took is going to effect the number of Canadian tourists coming to Dubai. Because their request to be given more flights to Canada was not for the purpose of serving the Canadian tourist between Canada and Dubai, they want the increase due to the demand by transient pax.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9736 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 3):
It is ridiculous the way UAE government is behaving. The best thing for Canada to do is to do the same to UAE citizens visiting Canada.

And what exactly would that accomplish? Just because the UAE implements a stupid policy it doesn't mean Canada should follow. If the UAE wants to impose limitations on Canadian visitors that's their prerogative and clearly they're swimming in so much money that they can afford to limit the number of visitors that they get. Canada has no need to flaunt such stupidity for the whole world to see.

In the end the only loser here is not even the UAE but Dubai itself. We all know their economy is built on foreign visitors and investment, not their natural resources. Every other company in the world is watching thinking twice about establishing any kind of presence in one of those shiny new office buildings there because "tomorrow" they could be next and the cost increase may not stop at just Visa fees.


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3011 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9684 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
The UAE is a very lucrative economic powerhouse. It will make the Canadians shed their money to visit it for business or pleasure.

DXB needs the world more than the world needs DXB. If DXB didn't exist, somewhere else would take its place - check out PVG, or the current adds running in Europe for IST.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 9):
the monopolistic Government of Canada

Of course the UAE government is much more open and democratic than the government of Canada - remind me again when the last election for President and Prime Minister of the UAE took place?

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 9):
Government of Canada which does not encourage free trade

Unless you want the facts to get in your way, you might want to check out Canada's free trade agreements and the air bilaterals signed since 2006.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12589 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 9575 times:

Quoting captain777 (Reply 17):
Because their request to be given more flights to Canada was not for the purpose of serving the Canadian tourist between Canada and Dubai, they want the increase due to the demand by transient pax.

Right, and I think it shows how dependent EK is on having unfettered access wherever and whenever they want it.

Otherwise, how do you fill up dozens of A380s, and hundreds of 777Ws?

Unfortunately for them, they are overplaying their hand. It seems they are feeling a bit more resistance to granting the unfettered access in Europe, so they decided to use totally unnecessary shows of force to get Canada in line.

All it's done is shown how unimportant access to UAE is to the average Westerner, which gives the EU a better position.

And it's quite interesting that in the mean time Canada has been granting improved bi-laterals to various African, Asian and Middle Eastern countries.

Without using any heavy handed threats or silly PR maneuvers, Canada has totally out-maneuvered UAE, and I say well done!

UAE is acting like a spoiled child, and deserves to sit in the corner for a while till they behave.



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3011 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 9381 times:

Reposting, as the edit function is all messed up (again)

The saga so far:

- UAE demands more rights to YYZ (EK from 3x weekly to 14 weekly)
- UAE threatens to evict Canada from Camp Mirage (Afghanistan forward operating base) unless it gets what it wants
- Canada offers other cities in addition to YYZ
- UAE refuses and issues a 30-day eviction notice from Camp Mirage
- UAE refuses overflight and landing rights at Mirage to Canadian aircraft carrying the Defence Minister and Chief of Defence Staff
- UAE lobbies against Canadian representation on the UN Security Council and boasts about it
- Canada complies with the eviction notice and leaves Mirage, but still contributes combat vessels to the force protecting Gulf oil-shipping lanes at significant cost to Canada
- UAE imposes a visa requirement on Canadians
- Canada signs a new bilateral with Qatar
- Canada signs an extended bilateral with Egypt
- UAE imposes visa fees on Canadians that are vastly higher than typical fees

What UAE doeswn't seem to realize:

- Most of the South Asian YYZ pax transiting DXB on EK are Canadian citizens. The new fees will be an incentive to avoid DXB.
- In addition to new / expanded bilaterals with Qatar and Egypt, Canada has in the last 18 months signed new / expanded bilaterals with Turkey (TK), Ethiopia (ET), Morocco (AT), Tunisia, and the EU (SN to Africa, LH to Asia/Africa). India (AI and 9W) is on the to-do list. Watch for expanded TK and AI service.
- Canada now holds most of the cards. It could effectively shut down EK's N. American operations by imposing restrictions on overflights, which would cripple EK's routes to IAH/SFO/LAX and seriously impact JFK.

Ironically, the Canadian PM was actually in favour of giving EK additional rights until the UAE foot-stamping and threats started. The foreign diplomatic community in Ottawa is pointing at the UAE as a great lesson in how to make sure you don't get what you want.



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User currently offline9W748Capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 9237 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 15):
- Canada offers other cities in addition to existing DXB on EK are Canadian citizens. The new fees will be an incentive to avoid DXB.

Having never flown EK and not even living in Canada, I'm following this thread purely out of enjoyment - but I'm confused by this point made above - could someone please clarify? I think the point was to shunt traffic away from EK and DXB but I'm just curious as to exactly how. Thanks in advance!


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3011 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 9200 times:

Quoting 9W748Capt (Reply 22):

It got completely scrambled by the edit function. I reposted in Reply 21.



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 8894 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 21):
- Canada now holds most of the cards. It could effectively shut down EK's N. American operations by imposing restrictions on overflights, which would cripple EK's routes to IAH/SFO/LAX and seriously impact JFK.

Canada might hold the card to pull overflight rights, but it is an unplayable card so it is meaningless! If Canada even threatened to pull the overflight rights, Canada would be receiving a call from their neighbor to the South. If you think the UAE is threatening Canada, I don't know what you would call the message the US would have for Canada if they threatened affecting travel and commerce into and out of the US but it would be much worse than any thing the UAE has done and would definitely extend beyond air travel. Canada is well aware that action would not be well received by the U.S. (or even the rest of the world), and therefore they will avoid the negative backlash they would receive from even threatening to restrict the overflight rights since they would never be able to enforce it anyway. Its interesting that people can call what the UAE has done as stupid and then say Canada could (or in some cases should) pull overflight rights to the US which would be far stupider than anything the UAE has done, not only would it start a political fire storm with its neighbor and ally (US) it would also probably draw some political backlash from other countries as well. So please, follow Canada's lead on this and lets not mention this as a possible course of action by Canada!


25 CharlieNoble : Congratulations, but you've missed my point. You can't cherry-pick one industry where the UAE grants access and blast another country for controlling
26 Fly2yyz : I thought EK was trying to bluff the Canadian government by also requesting flights into YVR/YYC/YUL? Which is how it came to light that all they wan
27 Post contains images MaverickM11 : I'd say Canada holds all the cards, although it would be fun to see what would happen if they allowed EK unlimited flights but no ticketing beyond DX
28 jfidler : Interesting to see how each country is playing their cards. I haven't really followed this issue before. Can someone give a status on the current amou
29 blueflyer : Canada had to grant the UAE overflight rights, they are included in the bilateral aviation treaty between the two countries, along with specific clau
30 AirNZ : Except there's not even the remotest practicability of such happening. Only for some perhaps, and certainly not a fact applying to the majority.
31 sebring : Of course it is, these are massive origin/destination markets for Canada. You cannot be serious comparing the Canada/UK local market to that of Canad
32 Mir : It will. If they want their Middle Eastern fix, they'll go to Qatar instead, or Bahrain, or Kuwait. This is going to hurt the UAE far more than it wi
33 Quokka : Interesting history of the dispute so far. Don't get me wrong, I fully support Canada's right to determine who should have access and under what terms
34 longhauler : That is right. The PM is from Western Canada, and the UAE were making great promises to increase flights to YVR and YYC. When that was actually offer
35 sebring : I disagree on three levels. First, the publicity alone in the papers here today does not make this point clear, so a lot of potential transit passeng
36 Post contains images atct : Anywho, It looks to me like the UAE is throwing a hissy fit. They may have open skies but they are far from free trade. Diplomacy works when you give
37 rangercarp : You would be correct if you said SOME will pay it. But it is crazy to suggest all Canadians who travel to the UAE will be willing to add $1,000 to th
38 lnglive1011yyz : It might be a very lucrative powerhouse, but MOST people I know here in Canada have absolutely NO reason to visit the UAE. Absolutely none. Absolutel
39 CharlieNoble : Not to go too far off topic, but blueflyer, can you tell us more about this...what kind of laws do you mean?
40 jetBlueguy22 : Yes people you know. But there are people that need to go to the UAE. Its sad that governments have to battle like this. They are just costing their
41 peanuts : If anything, this little tiff just demonstrates UAE's true colors. It also proves EK, Dubai and the UAE are just one big marketing bubble that needs c
42 MaverickM11 : Arguably it didn't even exist merely a few decades ago
43 YYZRWY23 : Someone is a bit full of themselves... Not forgotten, but with a ticket on EK one way to DXB being $1006.00+54.06 taxes, this visa would double the c
44 Quokka : I recognise your concerns, but the UAE can not be blamed for how the media chooses to report things. I would never rely on what the media report, but
45 blueflyer : For more specific details, you'd probably have to turn to one of our Canadian members, as I'm only a visitor, but basically the issue is a conflict b
46 Post contains links and images golfradio : There was a long thread from earlier this year TSA To Vet/Control Passengers On Canadian Flights
47 golfradio : Then why does the 30-day visa that costs $250 if you do not fly EK or EY magically reduce to $72.50 if you choose to fly EK or EY?[Edited 2010-12-29
48 klm77 : Don't you think 1000 dollars is a bit much? Especially since you are only allowed to stay for 14 days each visit?[Edited 2010-12-29 13:37:48]
49 OA260 : Canadians can vote with their feet and explore other places. Dubai is not as good as it once was and lives of its name to a certain extent. Unbearable
50 lnglive1011yyz : Funny, when you look in the paper, or on the ads on tv, the only "tourist grab" commercials you see are Florida, Vegas, Europe, Australia, etc etc. I
51 zbbylw : If you look to see what has happened to other airlines that used to serve the Europe - Australia/NZ market you would find your answer. While I don't
52 david_itl : So EK has poor practice and has been placed onto a blacklist then? Please cite examples of these poor practices. Heresay. You never read about employ
53 OA260 : Out of curiosity what are the rights of crew working for EK in DXB? I have heard that there are little to none and that they can be sacked and deport
54 Quokka : What have employee rights or complaints to do with a thread about visa fees? Perhaps a new thread can be opened by those who wish to discuss the relat
55 zbbylw : Personally I feel that the safety of the airline should be brought into question. It's amazing they have not had a fatigue related accident that have
56 david_itl : Why should I? Poor practice cited. Therefore evidence is needed to prove it. Not to disprove it.
57 Fly2yyz : Just had a thought, if they want so much frequency into YYZ, why not just get JetBlue to fly multiple frequencies connecting on to their US flights or
58 golfradio : That's not how EK operates. They don't like to codeshare.
59 ojas : Exactly. If Canada does not want EK to expand into Canada, so be it. However the reasons given here saying the O-D traffic is not enough etc etc, I d
60 Post contains links and images StarAC17 : To each is own but we have a huge tourist market who have never experienced cold and snow not to mention some of the best skiing in the world. (I kno
61 longhauler : All bilateral agreements with Canada start the same way ...usually 6 frequencies a week. Then, if a case can be made for further frequencies, then mo
62 Viscount724 : I recall a GVA airport report a few years ago listing the top 5 O&D longhaul destinations from GVA that then lacked direct service. YUL was one o
63 ojas : Then why has Qatar Airways got 3 weekly passenger services? If according to you Canada gives 6 weekly without any issue then why did Qatar not get 6
64 longhauler : Qatar does have 6 weekly frequencies. I believe they are starting with 3 passenger and 3 cargo flights a week, In each of those examples you cite, Ai
65 Post contains images golfradio : Though I always fly AC and 9W to BOM, I initially supported EK getting daily flights just for the reason that a lot of people I know used EK for 1 st
66 zbbylw : A Daily A380 for each?? You do realize that we are talking about Canada right? Populations in the low 30 millions? This is not the US with 10 times t
67 ojas : I have categoraically mentioned PASSENGER FREQUENCIES. Qatar would have taken 6 weekly pax services without further dicussion. But Canada was not rea
68 longhauler : Yes you did. And I will say again. Qatar was given 6 frequencies to use as they wish. (As too was EK btw). Qatar Airways chose 3 passenger and 3 carg
69 Post contains images AirCanada787 : We Canadians have elected a government to make decisions on our behalf, usually if the government makes what many people feel is a bad decision there
70 ojas : This information is false. Qatar was not to exceed 3 weekly passenger services as per the conditions laid down by Canada. You think the people at QR
71 Post contains links AirCanada787 : This is correct, according to the Qatar News Agency the agreement allows three passenger flights and three cargo flights per week. Link: http://www.q
72 longhauler : The Toronto Globe and Mail reported that that was their choice, are you saying this is not true? I only repeat what I read. Like you, we were not the
73 ojas : I see. But given my father was in one of the negotiating teams from Qatar, I'm absolutely confident of what I said. The negotiations were too intense
74 longhauler : I find this fascinating, as the media reports indicate it was almost a "non-issue". Not "intense" at all. In Canada, it was a very quiet announcement
75 ojas : Not at all. The traffic QR will take will go towards ATQ, GOI, CMB, DEL, LHE, ISB, KHI, PEW. They will definitely get daily flights to YYZ eventually
76 Viscount724 : AC fought for traffic rights to NRT and HKG for quite a few years but kept getting turned down. If memory correct, the HKG bilateral required that th
77 longhauler : If that is the case, and Qatar publicly states that, then no, they likely will not get an increase in frequencies. When making a case for an increase
78 777way : Six weekly A380 (3 EK 3 EY) are enough for Canada-UAE, they should shut up or ship out.
79 ojas : They have not stated that publicly, and QR will go daily to YYZ. As again we have been debating, I don't believe the "case" that airlines present hol
80 ojas : Even with PIA around it is inadequate. And adding to that ATQ, GOI, CMB too have inadequate one stop options.
81 sq_ek_freak : Not really - true, EK pouted and cried, then EY swept up and got 3 frequencies leaving EK with 3. This was before EK started commercial flights to Ca
82 longhauler : Interesting ... I was not aware of this. I had always thought EK was first to Canada, with EY following. But you are absolutely right, I see EY's fir
83 Post contains images AirCanada787 : I was just going to post that information but you beat me too it. The EY's flight originally started out stopping in Brussels before continuing onto
84 Fly2yyz : Are you seriously saying that?! Then does it take someone with Einstein's IQ to realize that you may have demand, but do you need have those willing
85 ojas : Excuse me? According to the logic that Canada grants rights based on O-D numbers, I mentioned the above w.r.t Canada and Pakistan. Now do you mean to
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