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Opinion On The MD90 Seat Pitch  
User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6754 times:

http://www.examiner.com/airlines-air...d-90s-are-incredibly-uncomfortable

Quote:
The seat pitch, whatever it was, made it impossible for me to open my laptop computer when the passenger seated in front of me reclined his seat. It wasn’t even close. In fact, the passenger seated next to me said that he too was a frequent flier and had given up trying to use his laptop on the MD-90.


One Twin Cities bloogers opinion about the MD90.


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User currently offlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6701 times:

Quoting SNCntry32 (Thread starter):
One Twin Cities bloogers opinion about the MD90.

ONE person's opinion means "everyone in MSP hates the MD-90?"   What a load of...



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6701 times:

Is the seat pitch on every Delta aircraft not identical, in coach?

I dont even try to use my laptop on most airlines if I've been relegated to coach. Its perfectly usable on United in E+ however.

The MD-90 may be poorly configured inside, but its an incredibly lovely aircraft - almost totally silent, extremely efficient, stable in the air.

NS


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Quoting KGRB (Reply 1):
ONE person's opinion means "everyone in MSP hates the MD-90?" What a load of.

Over generalization for effect my dear   Everyone, plus one, including this guy. 5 out of my 5 MD90 flights have gond mechanical.



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

I don't live in MSP, but I rather enjoy the MD-90. I've had 3 flights and they were both great, albeit fairly short. The ride was great and a couple years ago when I took one from IAH to ATL, we hit our accel height before we even passed the end of the runway! It's quite the impressive piece of machinery, in my opinion.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21490 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6421 times:

A horribly written article to say the least, but I agree with the premise - DL's MD-90 configuration is worse than a CRJ's in terms of comfort, in my experience.

One does have to feel for the MSP residents who were used to 319s and 320s (or even DC-9s)

-Mir



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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6396 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 4):
I don't live in MSP, but I rather enjoy the MD-90. I've had 3 flights and they were both great, albeit fairly short. The ride was great and a couple years ago when I took one from IAH to ATL, we hit our accel height before we even passed the end of the runway! It's quite the impressive piece of machinery, in my opinion.

I can respect and get how its a powerful plane from the avaiation geeks point of view, I can also appreciate how 160 people is a tight fit on a 3.5 hour flight...



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2065 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

The complaint in the article/blog is less about the aircraft than it is about the seat pitch. I have not been on a DL MD-90 but I do not believe that the seats are much different than any other DL coach seat. A320 seats are a little wider but the 737 & 757 seats are about the same. The real complaint should be about DL's choice of seat pitch. They could make it 31" like the rest of the fleet or even 34" but they chose 30" to cram an extra row in. That is not a specific fault of the aircraft, it was a choice of the airline. I do not like the lack of bin space on the MD-90s but I do like the reduced number of dreaded middle seats.

User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 7):
The complaint in the article/blog is less about the aircraft than it is about the seat pitch. I have not been on a DL MD-90 but I do not believe that the seats are much different than any other DL coach seat. A320 seats are a little wider but the 737 & 757 seats are about the same. The real complaint should be about DL's choice of seat pitch. They could make it 31" like the rest of the fleet or even 34" but they chose 30" to cram an extra row in. That is not a specific fault of the aircraft, it was a choice of the airline. I do not like the lack of bin space on the MD-90s but I do like the reduced number of dreaded middle seats.

"However, I was very irritated by how tight the seating is on Delta’s MD-90"

I think that is the real complaint...



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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1655 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

Uggh. 30" pitch is very unpleasant, the same as US Airways uses on its 737-400 fleet. I don't have much opportunity to fly the Delta MD-90s, but I avoid the US 734s when possible.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

The writer claims he couldn't use his laptop when the person in front of them reclined their seat.

That issue is not unique to DL's MD-90. That is common on pretty much every fleet type in Y. I've had many of productive flights on the A319, A320, and 757 when the person in front reclined their seat.

This is someone's blog, not news, its an opinion.

And yes the thread time is hyperpole.


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 9):
SNCntry32 needs to learn the difference between MD90 and Deltas MD90s. Garbage thread title.
MD90s are fine when you don't cram too many rows into them, if you don't mind a little noise

So you could not conclude that when I said MD90 and MSP in the same sentence that I was talking about Deltas MD90's and not China Southrens MD90s?

Just curious.

And yes, this is one persons opinion. The seat pich sucks, I am 6 feet tall and have a terrible time on the plane. Using your laptop in full seat recline is much more difficult on the MD90 versus the airbus in my opinion...

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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2208 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Not everyone in MSP hates the MD 90!

I live in MSP, and I prefer the MD 90 to the 319 / 320, because of the five abreast seating configuration.

I'm 6'3", so my legs are uncomfortable no matter which aircraft I'm on. I'd rather be uncomfortable in an MD-90 window seat, than in an A320 middle seat!



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User currently offlinejsquared From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

That looks like some tricky photography unless you're in an A320 exit row - there's no way a 1" difference in seat pitch is that dramatic.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

The A319/A320 does have decent seat pitch. You'd know if it was the exit row, there has got to be liek 42" pitch in that row.

Although with the rumors of adding more seats to the A319, likely with slim lines, that may change in the future.


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1655 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

34" pitch on a Southwest 737 or JetBlue A320 vs. 30" or 31" on a Delta MD-90. At my 6'4" height the pitch is a HUGE deal and WN and B6 have a big competitive advantage for my flying dollar (not to mention the bag fees).

Fortunately, the aircraft that Delta regularly operates out of BDL (MD-88s and 737-800s) are outfitted a little more reasonably.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2065 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 15):
34" pitch on a Southwest 737 or JetBlue A320 vs. 30" or 31" on a Delta MD-90. At my 6'4" height the pitch is a HUGE deal and WN and B6 have a big competitive advantage for my flying dollar (not to mention the bag fees).

I'm almost positive WN has 32" pitch, not 34". Still, it's perfectly comfortable for me, and I'm 6'2.


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

Quoting jsquared (Reply 13):
That looks like some tricky photography unless you're in an A320 exit row - there's no way a 1" difference in seat pitch is that dramatic.

No, that is the last row of an A320...



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User currently onlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7529 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 17):
No, that is the last row of an A320...

Yep, and the exit row has even more, and yes one inch of pitch does make that much of difference, becaus pitch is related to the seat position, front to front.

I have to agree, I found my MD-90 flights some of the most uncomfortble and at 6'4" painful with the seat in front of me digging into my knees, and the person wasn't even reclining.



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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 12):
I'm 6'3", so my legs are uncomfortable no matter which aircraft I'm on. I'd rather be uncomfortable in an MD-90 window seat, than in an A320 middle seat!

    

I think DL will push the boundaries. They will keep a finger on the pulse and measure customer feedback. If the complaints remain stable, nothing will happen. If there is an uproar and WN moves to town, you may see some changes.
It comes with the territory of the market that is MSP. It's a great place for DL and DL will do what the market will bear.
It's just business, not your legroom...  



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

Totally agree with that blogger. Upcoming PTVs won't help the space issues either. I'm no fan of the NW Airbus interior, but at least it had more room. I'd happily take them back.

User currently offlinewarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5123 times:

I don't understand why DL decided to cram in 160 seats.

Do the extra 10 seats justify (cost-wise) the extra FA?


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2352 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 20):
Totally agree with that blogger.



I hate flying this plane. It is IMHO the worst plane for passenger comfort and convenience in the entire DL fleet. It is the CRJ200 of mainline.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

I rode on one of the 160 seaters recently and I would imagine it would be tight if you were taller. I'm under 6' so it was passable for me. Nice ride though. Very quiet, even in the back.

[Edited 2011-01-31 14:46:15]


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