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Which Airlines Need A New Livery?  
User currently offlineMika10021 From Greece, joined Jul 2004, 122 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

I was looking at a photo of OA from 1973 and they still have the same livery up to this day.Do any other airlines have such an old livery?
What airlines need a new one?

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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

How about AA? They still don't have one, all their aircraft are naked!  Nuts

Let the flames pour down...


User currently offlineNceBoy From France, joined Sep 2004, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5727 times:

I would say Air France, their plane could have a nicer livery. I know it a classic, but something darker can be great, so the planes won't look so dirty  Wink/being sarcastic

And the Airbus factory livery could also get a re-look, a least for the A380 launching.

By the way, hello to all of you. This is my first post on A.net, but I've been reading the forum for a while now, about a year. I start to get used to A vs B threads, NW DC 9 replacement, and all... So I'm very happy to join today !  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

IMO, I think it would be cool to see more than just one CO plane in the Peter Max colors. Does anyone think CO's livery would be better if all of CO's planes looked like the Peter Max 777?


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User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5695 times:

I'd say AA for sure. How long have they had this livery. I would suggest keeping the bare metal finish but tweaking the painted/decal parts, maybe take the old prop era scheme and mordernize it, that woud look sweet and elegant to me.


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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

Milemaster, the text on that image is not even proper English. If you're trying to make a bold statement, at least make a grammatically correct one (and maybe clean up the compression some, it looks terrible).

Anyway, I'd agree AA could use a new livery - the fuselage-length stripes thing went out with the 1980's. Yes, it's a classic livery, but then so are a lot of liveries we don't have anymore (AA's previous livery is much better than the current one anyway, if you want to talk "classic").

Southwest is in dire need of a new livery, though I doubt it'll ever happen. Both of their currently-used liveries (blue and orange, tan and orange) are absolutely hideous and always have been.



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User currently offlineAFROTC From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

, I think it would be cool to see more than just one CO plane in the Peter Max colors. Does anyone think CO's livery would be better if all of CO's planes looked like the Peter Max 777?

um... no.



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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5531 times:

AA livery is fine. Silver/metallic is shinier. Shiny attracts attention.


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User currently offlineFlick70 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

I would love to see Continental get a make-over. While I like the golden-globe on the tail, the body of the aircraft is very "blah". I like the old meatball livery much better. It had a lot of character and was very brand-identifiable.




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User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

I'd say the following airlines really need a new livery:

1. America West Airlines: Their first livery was well ahead of its time and correctly anticipated the main features of 1990s livery design, and indeed probably would still be viable today. Their current 1990s though looks appallingly "last-decade", with tacky, strange-looking letters and a hideous shade of red clashing with the various turquoise bits. A new livery would be a great way to highlight the current transformation of America West airlines from a dysfunctional basketcase to a modern, quality-service airline under Doug Parker.

2. Etihad Airways: When your airline is using what looks like the font from a Star Trek movie for its main titles, you know you have an identity problem. Eithad's livery is garish, overbearing and to be frank, bizarre. What's even more amazing is that it's a recent design. Does anyone in Abu Dhabi actually know how to design a brand?

3. Phucket Air: Since they currently don't have a livery and simply paint their titles on the old liveries of the AC they buy (or reuse US Airway's Metrojet scheme), this one's a no-brainer.

4. Aerolineas Argentinas: Their current "new" livery is one of the most boring designs ever applied to an airliner. They should freshen up with a livery more evocative of Argentina's rich culture.

5. Grupo Taca: The livery of the Central American airline system is heavy, depressing and irrelevant. It would look great on a hearse, but on an airliner it is rather subpar.

6. WestJet: Their strange looking turqoise and green livery is eerily reminscent of the odd-looking livery of North Central and later Republic Airlines in the US, and is every bit as ugly.

7. Alaska Airlines: Alaska really needs to refresh their image with something crisper and more elegant. Ditto for Horizon. The current color schemes for the two airlines are a winning combination, but the titles need to be cleaned up, and I think it's time to take Johnny Cash off the tail...

8. ATA: American Trans Air may be in bad financial health. Should they go into bankruptcy, they should probably aim to emerge with a newer, better image that's crisper, more up-to-date and less cheesy.

9. Delta: A really stupid look (and I'm consoled to note that Grinstein agrees with me) but agreeing with Grinstein, this being the third livery since 1998 or so I don't think we're going to see another change. I do wish they'd bring back the Widget scheme which continues to persist on a handful of their fleet...alas.

10. Continental: Continental's livery is elegant and classy, and of the liveries I've listed here deserves replacement the least. Nonetheless, it is out of date, and it is also very bland. While the titles et cetera do go a long way towards conveying Continental's "caring" image and quality service, they are totally devoid of flamboyance, and basically make Continental out to be an average airline. Continental clearly isn't, and a return to something flamboyant, on a par with "The Proud Bird With The Golden Tail" would be really refreshing to employees and customers alike.

I'm not going to go suggest that the airlines race to Modified Airliner Photos and take a look at what RP Abraham and the artists there have come up with, which seems fashionable on a.net these days ("Well, I really like this new livery by
I think probably the best image transition in recent times, and one which should be the model for all airlines, is that of United. Since 1998 they've slowly phased in a new corporate identity, first by reviving their 1960s-era titles, then phasing those titles in over signage, equipment, their website, tickets, et cetera, and finally in 2004, 6 years after the transition began, introducing a new livery fully integrated with their new corporate image. This identity-transition should be a role model for other airlines, and was vastly more effective than the transitions seen elsewhere, for example, Northwest, where you have two conflicting, irreconciable signage systems in place.

-WGW2707


User currently offlineCoa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

Milemaster, the text on that image is not even proper English. If you're trying to make a bold statement, at least make a grammatically correct one.

Livery discussions seems to come about every week or so and is way overdone, let this tired old subject die already!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/search.main?search_table=archived_general_aviation&search_field=topic&search_active=1&search_year=&search=Livery&search_order=id&starter=1&submit=Search+Forum%21

Oh and the Peter Max 777 is the ugliest plane in the fleet, the sooner it gets a fresh coat the better!



Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
User currently offlineAFROTC From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

10. Continental: Continental's livery is elegant and classy, and of the liveries I've listed here deserves replacement the least. Nonetheless, it is out of date, and it is also very bland. While the titles et cetera do go a long way towards conveying Continental's "caring" image and quality service, they are totally devoid of flamboyance, and basically make Continental out to be an average airline. Continental clearly isn't, and a return to something flamboyant, on a par with "The Proud Bird With The Golden Tail" would be really refreshing to employees and customers alike.




um, flamboyant is not defined in continental's company vision today, its more of professionalism, hence the professional paint job. But I do agree that it can use some freshing up...



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5741 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

AI and AZ. These two need it really bad!


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even 777 in AZ's livery is not so elegant and beautiful as usual



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User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

8. ATA: American Trans Air may be in bad financial health. Should they go into bankruptcy, they should probably aim to emerge with a newer, better image that's crisper, more up-to-date and less cheesy.

I couldn't disagree more.


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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7754 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

I think at OA need a new colour scheme, if only because the company itself needs a re-launch.

I think that AA looks fine.

IMO jazzy colour schemes date quickly. I for one value safety and stability over fun when I fly. Keep it simple, particularly with legacy carriers. These carriers still, (to an extent) fly the flag, why try to hide it.

If you are an LCC, perhaps something more striking. Allways have your phone number/web address prominantly displayed.


User currently offlineFlyerfly From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Would love to see a new livery for Malaysia Airlines ... perhaps to coincide with their launch of new in-flight products end of the year. Always think that MH being a world class airline deserves a better world wide recognition and better publicity, so a new livery could be a launching pad for that ...



User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5310 times:

Aaa
ahhhh....
there we are again.

When will thos airlines finally listen to us a.netters and do what
we want.
I cannot believe that our livery requests are still
unheard and unfulfilled...



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User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

BA!!!! I hate the new C/S! Bring back world tails or the old landor colors!!!!!!!!

I also reckon CO could do with an update, not a totally new one, just an update!

Chris

I also think BMI should stop changing liveries!!! They have like 5 different ones now or something!



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User currently offlineRwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

I think AA's is fine. I really like the current BA one with the union jack as well, really hated the old one with the different designs...

As for terrible schemes, as mentioned Alitalia (but they have much more pressing issues to deal with!), and American Eagle/Connection is very dull.


User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

OA kept its basic livery over the years and cheat (?) lines have changed to a lighter blue.

Airlines that need an urgent lifting are :
ALITALIA
AIR FRANCE
TAROM
EASYJET
KOREAN AIR
ETIHAD AW
ALASKA AIRLINES
CUBANA


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Martinair of Holland - there's is so dated.

As for CO, I like it - it's still modern and is recognised. Doesn't need changing.


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User currently offlineEzycrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Iberia! I mean, that 70's look don't work anymore... it's depressing!

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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

ATA's livery is ugly especially the titles.Air-India's logo is "old" and gives an impression of the golden age of aviation; the 60s and 70s !!!

Alitalia is to shut-down sooner and we will be talking much more about AZ Fly's livery !!!

Among the new airlines that already need to change their livery, i can mention these :

Karthago Airlines
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Aero Flight
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AMC Airlines
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Shorouk Air
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Air Cairo
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SAGA
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Hola Airlines
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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7754 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

For BA, any colours are better than the kaleidoscope of a few years ago.

At one time, they used to prominently "fly the flag", but in recent years, we seem to be trying to hide it.

Ditto BMI. When the company is trying to hide their older British Midland Airways identity, over ruling the objection of the biggest single shareholder, (which was Lufthansa) something is seriously wrong.

No complaints about BMI service, just why change the name.



User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5057 times:

liberia needs a new one, air france could probibly just do with a wash, aslong as they never change emirates livery or SAA, i think the best livery updates have been bmi definatley and pia.

25 Post contains images Pilotaydin : im surprised to not see turkish airlines on these lists, unless i missed it. Turkish airlines similar to AF needs a REALLY quick livery change. We use
26 Usairways16bwi : here are some new colors that look good, for airlines who need new colors: American: http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_se
27 Post contains links OB1504 : here are some new colors that look good, for airlines who need new colors: American: http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_se
28 Post contains images Solnabo : My list for carriers in desperate need of new livery: 1 AF 2 IB 3 Lithuania Air 4 Luxair 5 Tarom 6 Bulgaria 7 LOT 8 AI 9 UA *old & new* 10 AA 11 US Ai
29 N754AN : There is nothing wrong whatsoever with the AA livery, but I do agree that OA is in urgent need of a repaint! AF's livery is fine, they just need to ba
30 Post contains images Concord977 :
31 Fokker50 : The Summa butterfly of AV, AA, AI, BA, AC, UA, those are my opinions.
32 VirginAtlantic : Already mentioned: Alitalia Iberia Air India I think American and Continental are fine. The new United livery is horrible. What's with all the white ?
33 Babybus : I have to say that like most people in the UK I think British Airways really need to look again that their awful livery. In no way does it represent o
34 AZjetgeek : I would totally disagree with the poster who said that CO' s Peter Maxx livery should be expanded upon. It is awful, putrid, etc. Same goes for Qantas
35 Catatonic : I think that the colours of TUI are awful!! they need to be changed! also easyjet, orange is so 90's. mytravel needs to decide whether its arthur or m
36 RCS763av : Me: Avianca Air India TAP Air Portugal Qantas
37 Post contains links and images Scottieprecord : I think AA's livery is good, but they need to do something with the non-metal parts of the plane (engine cowls and tail) View Large View MediumPhoto &
38 Post contains images KiwiNanday :
39 Cathay Pacific : Iberia Alitalia all mainland Chinese carrier namely Air China, China Southern, China Eastern....etc
40 Post contains images Pilotaydin : whoa! those pics are really cool! how or what program were those done on?! That's awesome i really like that! The LH is back to the Retro style
41 Andrewair : Air France Easyjet Alaska Airlines American Continental Lufthansa US Airways Air India Philippines Thai AMc
42 Post contains images TW741 : AZ / AF / OA should do it pretty quick BA should get rid of their stupid tails and either use the British flag again (or the B.Cal Lion ) LH might be
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