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Do Foreign Leaders Flying Commercial Use FIS?  
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Do foreign leaders flying commercial into the United State have to go through FIS or are they escorted off the plane by Secret Service/State Department escorts?

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Thread starter):

I know that they are protected by the Secret Service when they are on US soil, but I don't know how that figures into customs. It might be that they do not have to clear customs like the rest of us at all.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

If they are flying commercial, they come into the same FIS as we do. There are generally lanes for Diplomatic passports. Consular employees also likely have their items pre-cleared by the US Embassy in their country.

I wouldn't imagine any foreign "leader" would arrive this way, although I am sure many foreign diplomats and civil servants do. I'd imagine that if they are of high enough standing, they might be escorted to the FIS and handled off to the side or in a private room.

Everyone entering the US is subject to immigration control, but diplomatic privilege may apply to some small degree from them having documents and other such items searched at customs.

NS


User currently offlinebrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

At TPE one of the gates is equipped with a VIP reception lounge. Aircraft of arriving and departing dignitaries use that gate and the dignitary is welcomed using the lounge.

They don't go through the customs like the rest of us plebs do.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 2):
I wouldn't imagine any foreign "leader" would arrive this way,

I bet that a few from smaller countries do.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 2):
If they are flying commercial, they come into the same FIS as we do.



Not all the time. I have seen them cleared at plane side. The consular Officer would bring up the delegation's passports to the Immigration area for processing.

The most interesting guy I saw was the King of Tonga coming in at SFO. He was very casual and what stood out for me was he was wearing Nike shoes.



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
I bet that a few from smaller countries do.

Yes, they do. For some countries it is just not a justifiable expense to maintain a state aircraft (or to charter longhaul aircraft as necessary).

My father once flew to PEK on LH and the Prime Minister of Slovenia was aboard the aircraft (both he and the PM were in First).



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User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Thread starter):
Do foreign leaders flying commercial into the United State have to go through FIS or are they escorted off the plane by Secret Service/State Department escorts?

Just for the record, the thread title does not make any sense whatsoever in an international aviation forum. Any US official is "foreign" as well, virtually everywhere on earth, and from the point of view from abroad remains "foreign" even when returning to the US.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Thread starter):
Do foreign leaders flying commercial into the United State have to go through FIS or are they escorted off the plane by Secret Service/State Department escorts?

I think you might need to clarify exactly what do you mean by 'foreign leader'. For example, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is the leader of the UK government, but is most certainly not Head of State. Thus, are you asking if a Head of State would be flying a commercial flight into the US??? With respect to Customs.......such a person would have automatic Diplomatic Immunity!

Quoting brenintw (Reply 3):
They don't go through the customs like the rest of us plebs do.

They correctly aren't required to.


User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 3290 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 2):
If they are flying commercial, they come into the same FIS as we do. There are generally lanes for Diplomatic passports. Consular employees also likely have their items pre-cleared by the US Embassy in their country.

When ever the UN has the General Assembly when the leaders of foreign countries come in to JFK from what I have seen those who come in on regular schedule flights are met at the gate and are escorted down to the ramp to their waiting limo motorcade.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9738 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 3276 times:

This is clearly a matter of protocol, based on what is manifested in international law. The embassies of the countries will have made arrangements with the State Department, should the US of A be the destination or the Foreign offices of other countries, whatever the destinations are. Regardless if a high ranking politician or a monarch arrives by commercial jet or VIP jet, she or he will not have to wait and stand in line at passport control. not even at the diplomat channel. He or she will not have to clear customs and even regular diplomats are not subject to customs searches.


The protocol defines between state visits where the aircraft is parked at a special stand, with full military ceremony, national anthems, reception by the equivalent official of the state visited and the whole show down to normal travel of diplomatic officials and everything in between.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 8):
I think you might need to clarify exactly what do you mean by 'foreign leader'. For example, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is the leader of the UK government, but is most certainly not Head of State. Thus, are you asking if a Head of State would be flying a commercial flight into the US??? With respect to Customs.......such a person would have automatic Diplomatic Immunity!

Sorry, I think my question is pretty clear to American posters but I will clarify. I meant non-American heads of state flying into the United States. But the question can apply to other countries as well: Do leaders of other countries go through customs when they land in your country?

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 9):
When ever the UN has the General Assembly when the leaders of foreign countries come in to JFK from what I have seen those who come in on regular schedule flights are met at the gate and are escorted down to the ramp to their waiting limo motorcade.

Interesting. The motorcades park on the ramp, or outside the terminal?


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 11):
Sorry, I think my question is pretty clear to American posters but I will clarify. I meant non-American heads of state flying into the United States. But the question can apply to other countries as well: Do leaders of other countries go through customs when they land in your country?

Not, not being funny, but why should it be (made) clear to only American posters and which is why I thought you needed to clarify it? I can't accurately answer your question directly to me as, to do so, I need you to clarify what you mean by 'leader', and which is what I asked. Do you mean a leader, as in the Head of Government, or do you mean a Head of State.......they are not the same thing at all, and consequently have completely different protocols.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 5):
Not all the time. I have seen them cleared at plane side. The consular Officer would bring up the delegation's passports to the Immigration area for processing.

  
Seen plenty of current and former heads of state cleared either plane side at the gate if flying commercial, or if on their own aircraft out on the ramp. Often CBP will send out a person or two to meet the aircraft, the same manner they clear freighters sometimes.



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