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Is Air France French?  
User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15423 times:

Hi all,

for my French cultural studies assignment I have to compare a French item & an Irish item. Naturally I wanted to do AF & EI, but when I said this to my teacher, she was a bit unsure if they were still technically "French" because of the KL merger. I looked up on Wikipedia, & it said that AF/KL is incorporated under French law. Of course, I don't want to rely on just Wikipedia. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks.


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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15340 times:
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HQ is at CDG IIRC, so I'd say it's still French. (Though I'd still say that KLM is dutch :P)


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12400 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15289 times:

Moulin Rouge, Folies Bergeres and other naughty French words!

It is absolutement Francais! AF bought KL, rather than the other way around.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15219 times:

Merci beaucoup lads!


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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6293 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15195 times:

Rude crews

Late flights

Indifferent attitude of ground staff

Of course they're French!

  


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15138 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 4):

Rude crews

Late flights

Indifferent attitude of ground staff

Of course they're French!

Oh dear.....



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6293 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15095 times:

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 5):
Oh dear.....

Ah come on someone had to say it!

In reality, I've had pleasant experiences with Air France for the most part.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15073 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 6):
Ah come on someone had to say it!

  

Quoting sw733 (Reply 6):
In reality, I've had pleasant experiences with Air France for the most part.

Trés bien, I haven't...yet...



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15053 times:
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Quoting sw733 (Reply 4):
Rude crews

Late flights

Indifferent attitude of ground staff

Of course they're French!


Respect! I will never fly AF for fear of finding out.



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User currently offlineskyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14679 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 4):
Rude crews

Late flights

Indifferent attitude of ground staff

Of course they're French!

LOL, hahaha, Excelent post!!! Made me laugh ...


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14605 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 4):

Rude crews

Late flights

Indifferent attitude of ground staff

Of course they're French!

Yoy forgot a tres important thing - Dirty planes

 



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User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14550 times:

They're oh so French, with strikes, unions ruling the show, state intervention, corruption at the top, etc. The whole thing.

User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14536 times:

Merde, I didn't mean for this to turn into an AF bashin thread.....  

Thanks go to the constructive answerers....YYZatcboy & Kaitak  



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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14443 times:

haha, hilarious thread this one, thanks guys ^^


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User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14388 times:

Air France is now part of the AirFrance-KLM group which owns two merged separated (!) airlines AF and KL.
The group is listed at the Paris stock exchange and its headquarters are in Paris, same place as Air France.
It can therefore be regarded as French.
http://www.airfranceklm-finance.com/legal-information.html


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6293 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14310 times:

Quoting mozart (Reply 11):

They're oh so French, with strikes, unions ruling the show, state intervention, corruption at the top, etc. The whole thing.


You could say the same about UA being a Chicago company  


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14084 times:

Quoting breiz (Reply 14):

Air France is now part of the AirFrance-KLM group which owns two merged separated (!) airlines AF and KL.
The group is listed at the Paris stock exchange and its headquarters are in Paris, same place as Air France.
It can therefore be regarded as French.

Thanks very much for that informative & concise answer.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7364 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14050 times:

AF flies on international routes not yet covered by an EU negotiated agreement under bilateral agreements negotiated by the French government. Invariably these agreements permit the operation of FRENCH airlines together with those of the nationality of the other signatory to the agreement. A similar situation applies to KL that operates under the authorisation of either the EU or the Dutch government and is a Dutch subsidiary of the French AF/KL Group just as AF is a French subsidiary of the same group in which the French government is a minority shareholder.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24670 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13998 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 6):
Quoting aerdingus (Reply 5):
Oh dear.....

Ah come on someone had to say it!

In reality, I've had pleasant experiences with Air France for the most part.

I agree. AF is at least as good as other major European carriers. The only negative is CDG which isn't my preferred hub but it's not as bad as it used to be. I also refuse to fly on AF 777s due to their 10-abreast seating but otherwise, especially for flights within Europe, it's among my favorite carriers.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21425 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13880 times:

Quoting aerdingus (Thread starter):
Is Air France French?

Is the Pope Catholic?  

Yes, AF is still very much French, even if they have swallowed up KLM. Same way that Lufthansa is still a German airline, even if they have been taking over various airlines of various neighboring countries (don't mention the war....    )

If you wanted to, you could even explore as part of your paper how the relationship of AF and KL is just part of the new reality of Europe - that the elimination of many national barriers has made it easier for companies to establish themselves in more than one country. Technically, Ryanair is an Irish carrier, but they have so many routes that don't even touch Ireland that it's hard for me to identify them with one particular country. Whereas if you get on an Air France flight, chances are pretty good that you're going to France.

Of course, that's more of a sociological issue than a language/culture issue, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.

-Mir



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User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13797 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
A similar situation applies to KL that operates under the authorisation of either the EU or the Dutch government and is a Dutch subsidiary of the French AF/KL Group just as AF is a French subsidiary of the same group in which the French government is a minority shareholder.

Thanks for that.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
especially for flights within Europe, it's among my favorite carriers.

I am yet to try it!

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
Is the Pope Catholic?  

  

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
If you wanted to, you could even explore as part of your paper how the relationship of AF and KL is just part of the new reality of Europe - that the elimination of many national barriers has made it easier for companies to establish themselves in more than one country. Technically, Ryanair is an Irish carrier, but they have so many routes that don't even touch Ireland that it's hard for me to identify them with one particular country. Whereas if you get on an Air France flight, chances are pretty good that you're going to France.

Of course, that's more of a sociological issue than a language/culture issue, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.

Aw it's only a very basic project, but thanks for the thought! Very true though what you are saying, FR are synonymous with being almost European, rather than Irish, even though they all fly the harp & tricolour.



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User currently offlineBlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13355 times:

Their planes don't shower either:

  


User currently offlinejgw787 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13144 times:

I would think so. KL and AF aren't like other airlines that merge. They have separate brands and products (probably cause France doesnt want a national airlines with the name Royal Dutch Airlines and vice versa)

User currently offlinen9801f From Samoa, joined Apr 2004, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13062 times:

Quoting aerdingus (Thread starter):
Anyone have any ideas?

While AF may be 'French' in many ways, if the spirit of the assignment is to compare something that is typical or archetypical, then you might want to avoid AF.

Major multi-national corporations (a la AF, EI, JL, SA)">DL, SA, LA, etc.) are somewhat homogeneous because they conform to global standards. So they might not make the most interesting possible case studies.

Perhaps you could compare Guinness Stout and French Champagne instead???


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6481 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12980 times:

I was gonna say the exact same thing as n9801f, I don't think comparing airlines will work. And it's not just that they're big multinational companies, but they also have to follow the same very strict rules, use the same planes, etc.


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25 goblin211 : I'm surprised there aren't any french people making any come backs to these insults. Personally, i think AF needs to take better care of their planes
26 Aesma : Better a dirty plane than one with a hole in it ! Happy ?
27 kanban : it's also listed on two German exchanges ... so does that make it German????
28 Post contains images Numero4 : As a French-Canadian having lived for over two years in the US, I got my share of French bashing in the past. Even though most of it didn't really ap
29 Post contains images TGV : It is because all of us who are not striking are in vacations, and therefore nobody from France has read this thread.
30 ODAFZ : and because the French would never fall to the lower standards that some have demonstrated here. I got extremely pleasant flights flying numerous time
31 AnsettB727 : AF is not French, nor is it Dutch. It's European. Let's face it, this is the way many airlines in Europe are going to survive, by becoming pan-geograp
32 alwaysontherun : Great post!! Cans of worms...... ###"I'm always on the Run"###
33 Post contains images sebolino : Oh , I'm not the fisrt to think about it. Of course ... [Edited 2011-03-08 01:46:36]
34 Post contains images sebolino : Talk too loud ? Then you should hear American tourists in France ! They must be so proud of their nationality that they shout all the time.
35 sebolino : Why should anyone take that personally ? It's so easy to bash on internet, really ... And after the Iraq war episode, I guess there's not much to be
36 usdcaguy : My impression is that Air France used to be more "French" than it is now. There used to be much more of a push to speak French internally and with cus
37 GLA MD11 : Smart thing is not to respond but to suggest deletion...
38 Delboy : Look at the aircraft, if the undercarriage and under wings are covered in hair, then they are definately French!
39 VV701 : KL and AF are exactly like all international airlines that merge when both the airlines involved come from different countries. So they are exactly l
40 jonwait : interestin topic. I'll have my little say on it. Air France is nothing EU, and 95% French i'd say. What, we, and you, passengers see of Air France ? C
41 Post contains images aerdingus : Thanks very much
42 MIAspotter : Hmm sounds more like Iberia! Good point, could be interesting to note how they have managed to ¨Fusion¨ the Dutch and French way of working, but ag
43 Post contains images travelavnut : The French can take a joke without having their patriotic feelings get the better of them...unlike some other nations......
44 Post contains images airtrainer : Hmmm, it took four replies, things are going better for AF
45 FlySSC : Incorrect. Many pilots are citizen of an E.U country. AF has quite afew Belgians pilots, and also some Spanish and Italian citizens. They all speak f
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