yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7690 times:
The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ .
To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop 6000 nm or greater in the current OAG Worldwide.
April 2011 updates:
With Transaero’s flight DME-GIG (previously #46) discontinued and United re-starting IAD-PEK (#62), there’s been some changes in rank this month.
Other changes listed in OAG for April:
#40 AI’s DEL-YYZ operates 77W instead of 77L.
#47 KE’s ICN-ATL now operates both flights with 744’s (2nd flight prev. 772).
#50 AC’s YYZ-PVG now operates with 77L (prev. 77W).
#54 NZ’s AKL-YVR now operates solely with 772 (prev. 744 on some days).
Lastly, CI’s KIX-JFK (6036nm) will now start on 28th of April with 744
(prev. unknown a/c, scheduled 29April).
>>Any help with discovery of current or future routes with start dates; a/c refinements, etc, are appreciated.
† SA operates nonstop southbound only. Northbound: JNB-DKR-JFK. Begins nonstop both directions with 346 on 1May.
†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD
* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep
** KE from 30Jun 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep
*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug
‡ QF will operate northbound only
‡‡ QF will operate southbound only
‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 14May
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7631 times:
Just for kicks off the April ≥ 6K list...
The following airlines hold the longest currently scheduled passenger flight for these airports:
EK: DXB/IAH/SFO/GRU/BNE
DL: ATL/JNB/DTW
SQ: SIN/EWR/LAX
CX: HKG/JFK/YYZ(tie)
AC: YYZ(tie)/YVR/SYD
PK: KHI/LHE
AM: NRT/MEX
ET: IAD/ADD
AF: CDG/SCL
QF: EZE/MEL(tie)
AI: BOM(tie)/DEL(tie)
NZ: AKL
LY: TLV
BR: TPE
CZ: CAN
TG: BKK
UA: ORD
LH: FRA
QR: DOH
EY: AUH
PR: MNL
MU: PVG
KE: ICN
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7596 times:
Thanks for the latest edition! The recent thread about the new Dubai airport in the civil aviation forum got me thinking about how DWC might eventually affect this list (probably way into the future). The only route I could think of that would be affected is YYZ-DXB (5995nm) compared to YYZ-DWC (6008nm). The future DOH airport is so close to the present airport that it won't affect the list.
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7543 times:
Quoting robso2 (Reply 3): what about LHR-EZE on BA 77E? supposedly it's 6904nm according to the link provided...
Actually its 5999nm.
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 2): The recent thread about the new Dubai airport in the civil aviation forum got me thinking about how DWC might eventually affect this list ...
Funny, your post made me think of BA's EZE route. If only either airport were a nautical mile further apart I could include BA in the list. Or if BA flew the EZE flight from STN (6035nm) they'd be included. Perhaps Buenos Aires will build a new airport someday... hopefully a few nautical miles further southwest (away from London)
More realistically, BA could also inaugurate nonstop flights to SCL or CGK or anywhere in Australia or New Zealand.
I remind Europeans how well situated they are not to have to fly ULH to practically anywhere. That thought might make up for not often being on this 6000 nm list!
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7472 times:
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 1): The following airlines hold the longest currently scheduled passenger flight for these airports: ...
AA: DEL (tie)
CO: BOM (tie)
AR: FCO (tie)
AZ: FCO (tie)
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7424 times:
TAAG Angola's website shows "0 stops" on LAD-PEK (6359nm) from July 5th and "0 stops" on the return. My first thought was that this is an error since that route has previously had a stop in DXB. But, the flight durations are considerably shorter than on Hainan (which still has the DXB stop): 14:30 vs. 18:10 on LAD-PEK and 16:30 vs. 19:40 on PEK-LAD. Does OAG show this as a nonstop route from July 5th? If so, this will be an exciting new addition to the list!
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 4): Funny, your post made me think of BA's EZE route. If only either airport were a nautical mile further apart I could include BA in the list.
Are airport distances measured from a beacon, from the terminal, or from the center of the airport property?
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7418 times:
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 9): TAAG Angola's website shows "0 stops" on LAD-PEK (6359nm) from July 5th and "0 stops" on the return. ...Does OAG show this as a nonstop route from July 5th? If so, this will be an exciting new addition to the list!
After reading your post I, too, went on TAAG's website (who knew "Pequim" was Portuguese for Beijing? I didn't!)
and noticed the shorter flight times, although I must have been on another page; I didn't notice any mention of stops.
My OAG resource is strictly current schedules - I can't look very far ahead (although there are other, online forms of OAG that do), so I am not of any help. Perhaps someone reading this can clarify?
I think based on the evidence you've discovered we can put the info into the list in parenthesis and watch for the May or June edition or clues before it becomes a ranked entry.
Thanks for the clue! One worry I have checking the established routes in OAG is that I'm letting slip any under the radar new entries, such as the example here with DT.
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 9): Are airport distances measured from a beacon, from the terminal, or from the center of the airport property?
I haven't a clue, although if I had to guess I would assume the center of the property.
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7413 times:
Here are the flight details to/from "Pequim" on TAAG's site:
Flight: Angola Airlines DT690
From: Luanda
To: Beijing - Capital International
Number of stops: 0
Depart: Tue, 05 Jul, 00:30
Arrive: Tue, 05 Jul, 22:00
Aircraft: Boeing 777
Meal: Provided
Smoking allowed: Yes
Flight: Angola Airlines DT691
From: Beijing - Capital International
To: Luanda
Number of stops: 0
Depart: Wed, 13 Jul, 01:00
Arrive: Wed, 13 Jul, 10:30
Aircraft: Boeing 777
Meal: Provided
Smoking allowed: Yes
Smoking allowed? How rare is that?
Another small confirmation that these are indeed nonstop flights is that TAAG offers no LAD-DXB or DXB-LAD for these dates (assuming that they formerly had the rights to carry passengers on those flights).
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7291 times:
3 April 2011 update:
Hello to the two or three regular readers of “World’s Longest”!
I’ve been maintaining the list now for a few months and find the task not overly time-consuming, so have decided to expand the list to the 100 Longest, which means I am looking for submissions for the next longest 30 or so flights.
The BA LHR-EZE flight, now #65, was on the original list back in December but was taken off for lack of one nautical mile, so I’ve added that of course.
I’ve also added the flights at #’s 66 through 70, all suggested previously by OP3000 & thediplomat in earlier threads.
These are for starters; I’m absolutely certain there are more! >>Additions welcome.
The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ .
To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the current OAG Worldwide.
>>will accept suggestions for further nautical mile routes up to the rank of 100.
† SA operates nonstop southbound only. Northbound: JNB-DKR-JFK. Begins n/s both directions with 346 on 1May.
†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD
* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep
** KE from 30Jun 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep
*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug
‡ QF will operate northbound only
‡‡ QF will operate southbound only
‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 14May
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7259 times:
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 12): I am looking for submissions for the next longest 30 or so flights.
DXB-YYZ 5995nm EK
LAX-IST 5971nm TK
JFK-AUH 5967nm EY
SYD-JNB 5963nm QF
JFK-DXB 5951nm EK
ICN-DFW 5945nm KE
JFK-PEK 5942nm CA
ISB-YYZ 5945nm PK
EWR-PEK 5936nm SA)">CO
TPE-LAX 5908nm CI, BR, MH
BCN-SIN 5889nm SQ
JFK-HND 5885nm SA)">AA (what is status??)
LHR-SIN 5879nm SQ, QF, BA
IAD-NRT 5868nm SA)">UA, NH
IAD-RUH 5865nm SV
JFK-NRT 5861nm SA)">AA, SA)">DL, NH, JL
EWR-NRT 5850nm SA)">CO
JFK-DOH 5825nm QR
IAH-NRT 5772nm SA)">CO
JNB-HKG 5762nm SA
ICN-YYZ 5746nm KE, AC
TIJ-PVG 5745nm AM
LHR-KUL 5729nm MH
IAD-JED 5729nm SV
ORD-PEK 5717nm SA)">AA, SA)">UA
PEK-YYZ 5716nm AC, HU
IAD-KWI 5713nm SA)">UA
DTW-NGO 5694nm DL
gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5216 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7149 times:
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 10): uoting BNAOWB (Reply 9):
Are airport distances measured from a beacon, from the terminal, or from the center of the airport property?
I haven't a clue, although if I had to guess I would assume the center of the property.
Don't know about other countries but here it's from the "survey datum" which is a point defined by survey ((- ) which is recorded in the land title records. For SYD its over on the east side near the old ANSETT/TAA hangars, or it was when I worked there!
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7139 times:
World’s 100 Longest Flights
4 April 2011 update:
I’ve now included all the flights contributed by BNAOWB with a few discoveries of my own thrown in.
We’ve added 13 more airlines to the active ULH list (in order of appearance): BA TK CA CI MH NH SV JL IB LA HU D7 and KL.
>>I’m certain there are more out there. Candidates should be more than 5630 nautical miles (roughly 6479 statute miles or 10,427 kilometers). Keep looking!
The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ . To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the current OAG Worldwide.
† SA operates nonstop southbound only. Northbound: JNB-DKR-JFK. Begins n/s both directions with 346 1May.
†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD
* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep
** KE from 30Jun 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep
*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug
‡ QF will operate northbound only
‡‡ QF will operate southbound only
‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 14May
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7076 times:
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 16): Candidates should be more than 5630 nautical miles
DTW-PEK 5762nm DL (from July 1st)
BCN-EZE 5647nm AR
LAX-PVG 5635nm AA, MU, UA (from May 20th)
So, with the net gain of 3 routes to the list of 100 from the contributions by CXfirst and Aflyingkiwi, BCN-EZE and LAX-PVG would miss the new "floor" of 5676nm.
Quoting gemuser (Reply 15): Quoting yeogeo (Reply 10):
uoting BNAOWB (Reply 9):
Are airport distances measured from a beacon, from the terminal, or from the center of the airport property?
I haven't a clue, although if I had to guess I would assume the center of the property.
Don't know about other countries but here it's from the "survey datum" which is a point defined by survey ((- ) which is recorded in the land title records. For SYD its over on the east side near the old ANSETT/TAA hangars, or it was when I worked there!
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7060 times:
World’s 100 Longest Flights
5 April 2011 update:
Thanks to CXfirst, Aflyingkiwi, and BNAOWB for further additions, now included below as the new numbers 84, 87, future 88(tie), and 99.
Please note: D7 (KUL-STN # 94) is AirAsia X (Malaysia), not Dinar (Argentina) as indicated by the cursor.
The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in nautical miles by the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ . To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the current OAG Worldwide.
† SA operates nonstop southbound only. Northbound: JNB-DKR-JFK. Begins n/s both directions with 346 1May.
†† BR operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound: EWR-ANC-TPE
††† ET operates nonstop eastbound only. Westbound ADD-FCO-IAD
* CX scheduled to operate this route also from 1Sep
** KE from 30Jun 388 to gradually replace 744/77W. 388 daily by 1Sep
*** EY to operate 77W from 1Aug
‡ QF will operate northbound only
‡‡ QF will operate southbound only
‡‡‡ QF discontinued from 14May
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7017 times:
An addition and a correction:
Emirates has announced a DXB-GIG-EZE flight, scheduled to begin with 77W in Jan 2012. The DXB-GIG segment will appear in the next installment at 6417nm.
Correction: the longest flight for AMS currently is not the AMS-LIM fight but the one above it: AMS-SIN, fully three nautical miles further.
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6994 times:
Here are 2 more routes:
TLV-GRU 5723nm LY
ICN-ORD 5693nm OZ/KE
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 22): Emirates has announced a DXB-GIG-EZE flight, scheduled to begin with 77W in Jan 2012.
That is exciting news! In the several month history of this list, a positive trend worth noting is that new routes announced far exceed the discontinuation of existing routes.
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6972 times:
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 23): In the several month history of this list, a positive trend worth noting is that new routes announced far exceed the discontinuation of existing routes.
Definately. In fact, if all promises are kept, the bottom 10 routes are at risk of disappearing from the list by the end of the year. Quite the growth sector!
yeo
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25 BNAOWB: LAD-HAV (5923nm) now appears on TAAG's website: Flight: Angola Airlines DT702 From: Luanda To: Havana Number of stops: 0 Depart: Wed, 04 May, 19:00 Ar
26 CXfirst: Could this be due to laws in Cuba in contrast to laws in China? -CXfirst
27 yeogeo: Nick have you noticed any other dates for this flight or did you just happen on this one? The reason I ask is because of this quote I found from a TA
28 CXfirst: It is your decision, but I wouldn't put TLV-GRU as 6600nm, even if it does constantly detour. I think the list should be kept to the non-stop accordi
30 BNAOWB: On TAAG's website, the schedule for the LAD-HAV nonstop is every other Wednesday (April 20th, May 4th, May 18th, etc., through October 19th). Likewis
31 yeogeo: Actually, I'd rather have it a communal decision, so thanks for the input!! In light of that, it occurs to me why not footnote the routing and reason
32 yeogeo: World’s 100 Longest Flights 9 April 2011 update: The following are currently scheduled (or proposed with start dates) and calculated in nautical
33 BNAOWB: Doesn't Conviasa operate a bi-weekly CCS-DAM (Damascus) nonstop (5722nm)? This might be the only route in the world that passes over 5 continents (ass
35 fxramper: FX operates n/s from HKG-MEM at 7115 nm.
36 BNAOWB: Thanks very much! Of the 102 ranked flights (since there are 2 ties), here is an updated geographical breakdown: North America - East Asia 41 North A
37 yeogeo: World’s 100 Longest Flights 1 May 2011 update Two flights have joined the 1May ranked schedules: AA’s JFK-NRT (5885nm) has been reinstated after b
38 alitalia744: amazing the percentage operated by 777 aircraft. A true testament to the 777s abilities.
39 yeogeo: A couple of errors in the last edition: >#96 DAM-HAV is flown by Conviasa (code: V-zero) not by Tyrolean (code: V-letter O) ! >the orphan footno
40 BNAOWB: Thanks for the update! Just to clarify so no one is confused, JFK-HND is the affected route (as you have it shown properly on the list). Definitely. C
41 yeogeo: You're welcome! Thanks for catching that, BNAOWB. It seems no matter how many times I proofread the listing and footnotes there's some unintended ent
42 lightsaber: Thank you for the effor YeoGeo. Welcome to my RU list. I was quite surprised by how many 777 were on that list. By the time I was going down, it made
43 BNAOWB: That would be an amazing route (roughly #8 on the current list) if it comes about. An interesting dynamic is that many of the routes on the current l
44 yeogeo: You're welcome, Neil, it's a pleasure really. And thank you very much! I wonder if JFK has more allure for non-US long distance carriers; it does see
45 BNAOWB: Are there any other cities worldwide with 2 or more large international airports in which a foreign long distance carrier does not serve the airport
46 lightsaber: What amazes me about these routes: 1. 7000nm+, only nine routes 2. 6000nm to 6999nm 56 routes I'm also impressed in how the latest PIPs and other impr
47 fxramper: Are you not including routes flown by FedEx or UPS?
48 yeogeo: I've been consistent prefacing these lists by saying: "To be included in the ranked listing they must be shown to be flying passengers nonstop in the
49 yeogeo: Does this explain the abilities of UA's 744's, lightsaber? I know they're not the ER version, yet they hold their own at pretty lofty rankings with O
50 MHTripple7: This is a fantastic thread. Thank you yeogeo! I think this is an error in the booking system. I have flown on two of TAAG's 777s and neither of them h
51 yeogeo: World’s 100 Longest Flights 16May 2011 update Congratulations to Qantas, Sydney Kingsford Smith Airport, Dallas Fort Worth International Airport, Br
52 lightsaber: If you had asked me a year ago if this was possible with a 744, I would have said no... I am amazed. Did QF upgrade their 744ERs? Thank you for the u
53 BNAOWB: Of the ranked flights, 43 airlines are now represented! Here is a ranking of the airlines with at least 2 routes on the list: 10 United 9 EK 8 Delta,
54 gemuser: The QF flight numbers are QF7 SYD-DFW & QF8 DFW-BNE-SYD Gemuser
55 yeogeo: #3 and # 6 refer to these flights' rank in the list, not their flight numbers. Sorry if its confusing; I thought it an improvement to cross-reference
56 lightsaber: It is impressive that QF moved two flights into the list. Bravo to QF! But how the heck do they fly a 744ER so far economically? How ever they're doi
57 CXfirst: I believe, the two last routes should be cut of the list. At spot 76 and 95, there are ties. The PEK-JFK route should be labeled as spot 78, as in fac
58 yeogeo: I've thought about this issue in passing before, but when you put it that way, CX, its hard to disagree. So who flies the longest routes and who flie
59 robso2: Yeo - many thanks for continuously monitoring this thread for us and updating it!
60 yeogeo: Don't know if any readers are familiar with the IIFA or Indian International Film Academy. Until recently I wasn't. BNAOWB has pointed out to me via I
61 BNAOWB: We have a new route for the list: NRT-BOS JL 5823nm (from April 22nd, 2012) JAL To Launch NRT-BOS Next April With The B-787 (by SCL767 May 27 2011 in
62 yeogeo: Alright!! Great News! Maybe we'll hear soon of other new routes from these early operators * : AM AI NH CZ CO LA AT and hopefully some involve routes
63 yeogeo: World’s 100 Longest Flights 5 June 2011 update: On this day Delta re-instates it’s ATL-PVG route, becoming the 21st longest regularly scheduled pa
64 lightsaber: I appologize for missing questions, I'll answer now: Pratt has readily improved the PW4000 (to try and win the last 744 orders and it is helping win '
65 BNAOWB: Thanks for the revised list! It is interesting to note that the list now includes 57 airports. Of these, 22 only have one route on the list. Here is a
66 yeogeo: World’s 100 Longest Flights 9June 2011 schedule updates: I hope you will forgive me for publishing yet another update so soon after the last in orde
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