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Best Designed Airport (operational)  
User currently onlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

What is the best design airport in the world in term of operation. What i mean by operation is the smoothness of movement, well managed with huge amount of traffic. I would say what is the "professional airport".

My personal view would be
JFK
SIN

Please share your opinions

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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2406 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8594 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
JFK

 


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8599 times:

This will probably shock everyone, because its an airport much hated on A.net, but i'd consider CDG T1 as being on of those.

Its design, although very unadaptable means short distances and no ramp congestion.



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User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

I would say DFW, and DEN. Large airports with central terminals and multiple parrallel runways.

If one thinks JFK is a best, then they may as well say LHR too!

Wingnut



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

OSL is probably high on the list.


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User currently offlineD328 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

JFK, wow, hahaha... That is a JOKE, right???

User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

I would say MUC and HKG.


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8539 times:

I dont think you could consider OSL as one having a "huge" amount of traffic, even though it is a very busy airport in European terms.

Efficient it certainly is though!


In Europe, i'd rate CDG, AMS and MUC as airports that really work operationally and that do handle a huge volume of traffic.



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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8485 times:
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best managed would have to be LHR considering it handles more traffic than JFK with half the runway space.

best designed would have to be either LAX or DEN

LAX has two runways on each side, on each side the outer runway lands airplanes while the inner runway has airplanes take off. the four parallel runways mean there are no intersecting runways, which allows all the runways to be utilized to the maximum especially for the space available,

DEN due to the shear size has an airport designed for any wind condition, and a bit of space to keep airplanes apart, oh and the runway is designed to minimize taxi time- but again its efficiency is due to its far distance form the airport and vast amounts of land.



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User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8446 times:

I chock ATL up to my number 1 spot. As a pilot, it is the easiest airport and airspace to get around... quite an accomplishment for the world's busiest airport!

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8382 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
JFK
Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
professional airport

     

ATL, DEN, and PDX hold my top spots. PDX may not be as busy, but the terminal and ramp layout is very good.

LHR does pretty well congestion wise, especially compared to JFK, but for the passenger it's really not up to par (except for T5).



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 8):
LAX has two runways on each side, on each side the outer runway lands airplanes while the inner runway has airplanes take off. the four parallel runways mean there are no intersecting runways, which allows all the runways to be utilized to the maximum especially for the space available,

Yes, its the same design as CDG and ATL, both of which I would rank highly also.



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8218 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 7):
In Europe, i'd rate CDG, AMS and MUC as airports that really work operationally and that do handle a huge volume of traffic.

AMS is absolutely rubbish when it comes to runway design (very long taxi times in general, because runway 18R-36L is almost always in use), security (which is done at the gate in the non-Schengen area so it takes ages. Security at the Schengen area is acceptable in my view), passport control (almost always long waiting times, both inbound and outbound), de-icing, snow equipment... no, AMS has a long way to go. And I worked at the airport for several years so I know exactly what I'm talking about. 



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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8164 times:
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 11):
Yes, its the same design as CDG and ATL, both of which I would rank highly also.

I agree, I just didn't want to muddle my response, you could put MCO, DFW and SEA (cut DFW in half through the terminal and you have a SEA) into that category- on the field having two runways on one side of the terminal, one dedicated to landing, the other to takeoff (or that with a mirror of its self across the terminal).



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8133 times:

As much as I loathe it...I'd have to say ATL.


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8133 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 12):
AMS is absolutely rubbish when it comes to runway design (very long taxi times in general, because runway 18R-36L is almost always in use), security (which is done at the gate in the non-Schengen area so it takes ages. Security at the Schengen area is acceptable in my view), passport control (almost always long waiting times, both inbound and outbound), de-icing, snow equipment... no, AMS has a long way to go. And I worked at the airport for several years so I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I worked there for a little while too, and I really liked it!  

Yes, I accept the runway issue, but on the plus side, there is rarely a long queue for the runway, so once you get there, its pretty much take off immediately.

Given the volumes it handles, it manages pretty well from that perspective.

I had not really considered security and passport control. I suppose it depends on how you interpret "operationally". I would see that simply as aircraft movement and turnaround as opposed to the passenger handling side.



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User currently offlineKngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 403 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8084 times:
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ATL. I don't think you can get much more of an efficient layout.

User currently offlineAlasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7994 times:

In terms of taxi-in time, BUR.

Though overall, I would say that PDX, SEA (Unless you land on 16R/34L), ATL and DEN have the best layouts. ATL is clearly one of the best just based on the volume of traffic alone.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7861 times:

DEN is certainly an honorable mention if not a winner of this category from an airlines position. As a passenger it takes along time to get thru and to rental cars and stuff but for the airlines operationally its fantastic and a large reason why its three airlines hubs.

JFK has to be an actual joke. I don't think the words well managed and JFK have even been in the same sentence before.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 10):
PDX may not be as busy, but the terminal and ramp layout is very good.

It should be... they spent pretty much my entire life renovating it...



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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1454 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7760 times:

JFK is my hometown airport and it's among favorites but it's definitely not well designed. Well some terminals (T1, T4, T5 and T8) are great but transferring between terminals is a hassle, that's why it's mostly O&D. Yes there's the AirTrain but there's 8 terminals and the airline assignment seems to be random IMO (LH and KE, AF, SU, etc shares the same terminal despite LH being star and the rest being skyteam (you could also throw in JL which is the only OW carrier in the terminal) Also, both BA and UA shares the same terminal, T4 is where everyone else's operates, besides that DL, B6 and AA has good homes in JFK.

AND whether you're departing or arriving in JFK, chances are, you're never on-time. The last time I departed JFK on-time was last February, pushed back at 5:59AM for a scheduled 6AM departure and we took off more than half an hour later due to snow and we had to de-ice. Though, I still love JFK due to the variety of airlines, traffic and being my hometown airport and it's way ahead of EWR, had bad experiences in EWR and never again would my family use that airport.

IMO, ICN, SFO, ATL, TPA and HKG are among the best.

ICN is the best when it comes to transferring and especially if you're traveling with OZ or KE, since it's only one terminal, you don't have to take any trains or shuttles.

ATL also comes to mind, it's the world's busiest airport yet IMO it's very organized and although transfer is a bit of a hike, it's easy to navigate and well ran.

  

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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2285 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

DFW and ATL i would think. They are two massive hubs but traffic seems to flow pretty smooth and taxi times seem pretty low (unless you land on the 5th ATL runway)

Im hoping ORD will be like that one day when they finish re-configuring the runways


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21565 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 8):
best designed would have to be either LAX or DEN

LAX's ramps are a disaster, though.

I'd say DEN and MUC.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2619 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7636 times:

Most independent ILS approaches:

ORD: 4 plus 2 independent departure runways (after master plan) some long taxiing
DFW: 3 plus 3 independent departure runways (some long taxiing)
DEN: 3 plus 3 departure runways (2 departure runways may cross extended approach paths of two runways) long taxiing
IAH: 3 plus 2 independent departure runways (long taxi on one arriving runway)
ATL: 3 plus 2 independent departure runways (long taxi on one arriving runway)
MCO: 3 plus 1 independent departure runway (long taxi on at least one arrival runway)
DTW: 2 plus 2 independent departure runways (plus crosswind runways)
LAX: 2 plus 2 independent departure runways
CDG: 2 plus 2 independent departure runways


User currently offlineflashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 7608 times:
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Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 19):
It should be... they spent pretty much my entire life renovating it...

LOL, as a fellow Oregonian, I know exactly what you mean... but do you really think that the Port of Portland is done?  


25 flySFO : I would argue SFO (wx delays omitted obviously, this is purely operational). The circular design makes it extremely efficient both as O&D (relativ
26 splitterz : Exactly what I was going to say.
27 HPRamper : Well, considering the entire south runway is currently ripped up...
28 GSPflyer : Out of the ones I have been to, ATL would have to take the number one spot. Followed closely by DFW, very efficient, but it seems that my flight taxis
29 HiJazzey : I found KUL to be very efficient, both in design and operation. MAD on paper should be great, but I've had bad experiences there. ZRH is excellent, de
30 TSS : Agreed, although I like the way DFW has a separate parking deck for each individual concourse. Admittedly, that was probably a bigger benefit for O&a
31 Viscount724 : That's surprising. I've used AMS many, many times (probably at least 250) over the past 40 years (including connecting there twice on KLM last week)
32 mal787 : Singapore @Amsterdam are my top 2 Brisbane International is also on my favourite list Mal 787
33 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : That airport, most of the time, is a well-oiled machine...truly a "beautiful" thing.
34 BigB : ATL, DEN, LAX are pretty good in terms of air field lay out. I'm surprise that IAH isn't getting any honor though. IAH has 8L/26R, 8R/26L, and 9/27 wh
35 A330NZ : In my continent, I'd say AKL. The domestic and international terminal being 10-15 minutes walk apart, but there's a free bus between them, there are r
36 Lufthansa411 : Certainly not this past winter, when the Port Authority pretty much gave up as soon as snow or fog hit. The Port Authority has very little say in wha
37 Post contains images N901WA : My vote is ATL. I don't know where it fits on traffic, but HNL is my favorite
38 lppr95 : My opinion: HKG MAD ICN BKK KUL SIN DEN
39 vegasplanes : For a big, connecting hub, I vote for DTW, all new terminals during the last decade, wide alleys between A and B/C, and 4 parallel runways. For just a
40 united319 : HA! JFK is ridden with GDP's and taxiways out the ying-yang. Last time I flew to JFK on UA, we took off from LAX early, our groundspeed with 575 kts
41 MillwallSean : For me the obvious choice has to be HongKong. So efficient so fast and so good service. Just great. From the airport train to the layout its just spot
42 tennis69 : From my viewpoint any airport that combines arriving and departing passengers should not even be in consideration for best designed. CDG, ICN, CAN are
43 IAHFLYR : One of the best operationally even if the airport doesn't utilize Runway 9 for arrivals nearly as often due to the arrival traffic overflying the 15/
44 EL-AL : I say Hong Kong. It was planned perfectly, never found a thing wrong about it.
45 MH017 : You'll probably kill me for this, but I think TXL is very convenient: arrival - out of plane, you wait at your own conveyor-belt at the arrival-gate a
46 Severnaya : AMS MUC SVO (the D/E/F terminals)
47 Post contains images nipoel123 : One minor flaw I've noticed: at peaktime, in the holidayseason, I've waited for two hours for my luggage.
48 YXD172 : Adding to that (though AMS was very pleasant to travel through) I experienced one of the longest security waiting times I've been through in a while
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