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How Do You Afford Flying Business / First Class?  
User currently offlinerhw From Germany, joined Apr 2011, 4 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19978 times:

Hello everyone,

I read a few topics concerning the question what classes users fly and how often they fly.
Reading those topics/polls it seems that many users here fly business/first class on a regular bases.

I'm an average middle-class guy and almost always fly economy.
So my question is: How do you afford it?

Reading that often users fly business/first class many times a year including international routes and considering that regular prices for such tickets are in the range of 3000-5000USD ( sometimes up to 10 000USD) i wonder how they ( you ) afford it.
After all the resulting sum often is what an average person earns in a year.

I learned that often people in business/first class are people who either collected miles in various frequent-flyer programs and used them to 'upgrade' to higher classes or are related to employees of an airline and therefore get to travel in higher classes for free.
But other than that it seems to me that only high net worth individuals are able to afford this kind of lifestyle.

So is it just that most users in this forum are said frequent-flyers or family members of airline employees or are they simply rich?

I'm looking forward to hearing from you,
Regards,

rhw

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User currently offlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20009 times:

I can tell you this much. I am not a millionaire or anything close to being considered wealthy, but i fly first class once a year on US. This is due to either my leftover FF miles or family members leftover FF miles. I only actually "paid" for the First Class cabin once and that was because the fare was only $200 more, so why not?

If I had to take a guess, I would say 60% of the members here use FF miles or status, 35% are airline employees that get upgraded prior to departure, 5% actually pay for it or their company pays for it.



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User currently offlinecarbon787 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19930 times:

Well, we buy long haul business class as we are fortunate enough to be able to do so, sometimes we upgrade to first as well. We never bother when flying within the US or even sometimes across the Atlantic, but flying to Asia/Australia via the Pacific, always.

User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19883 times:

My company pays for business class when I travel to India and Asia. Europe has now gone to Economy class from the US. I have never paid for Business or First Class. In the past I have traveled it with FF miles or as an airline employee non-rev.


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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19848 times:

I usually only fly Biz class when I am on company trips. It's our company policy that anything international get business class (and every once in a while my status can get me up to First). However, due to my FF status, I can often get upgrades on personal trips too, from Economy to Biz. I have never, however, paid for anything above Economy out of my own pocket.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19839 times:

Discounted business tickets. Flew LH MUC-HKG-FRA last year for about €1.700 and also using frequent flyer miles for upgrades

User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19836 times:

I travel a good bit for work - roughly 50 flights or so a year - and when I sit in First it's because I've gotten upgraded based on Elite status.

However, if I were to travel on a flight that was more than 6 hours long, to Asia or the South Pacific, our company policy is to buy either a Business or First ticket.

Sadly, I haven't gotten to take advantage of this perk yet, but I hope to remedy that before year's end.



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User currently offlinecnz3 From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19813 times:

I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but it varies from trip to trip.

I am a family member of an airline employee, but that works only for specific routes transatlantic and its on standby so I rarely use this method.

I do use miles from time to time to upgrade, or just straight out buy business class tickets using miles. Hey, if you get them from your paid flights why not use them?

For any flight for business purposes (i.e. expensed to the company) longer than 4 hours, so transcon here in North America or International flights, it is MANDATORY that I fly business class.

Lastly, my income is such that it does allow me to purchase business class occasionally as well, like an upcoming trip on Delta's 764 to LHR.

Honestly, because I am a large man - 6'4" 300 lbs - business class is really the minimum spec to travel on long haul flights, so I make myself afford it.

*Edited for spelling

[Edited 2011-04-28 06:35:37]


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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19633 times:
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I fly with EK about twice a year and have become a gold Skywards member based on this relatively light schedule.

EK suits me as I fly east and south from GLA for business (and some pleasure) and the free chauffeur transfer service picks me up in Edinburgh, saving time and money.

With miles I am able to upgrade (Just upgraded from J to F for a forthcoming flight DXB - JNB) and the company I own pays for J flights (which is then a taxable expense). EK also gave me two free 5-star layover nights in Dubai which just sweetens the deal even more as I am eyeing the UAE as a potential market for my company.

So, good FF rewards coupled with good benefits and world-leading cabins keep my loyal... and spending  

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5189 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19577 times:

Yea, very few people pay out of pocket for first class. Me personally, I only fly first when its an affordable upgrade.


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User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19471 times:

Out of 300+ in my 36-year history so far, I've flown about 10% in Business or First. Never have I paid for that privilege.

I've been upgraded to Business quite a few times and the others I used miles to get straight out Business tickets or to upgrade Economy ones. Once I was upgraded from Economy to First, on CX!

My household (2 adults and 2 kids) has reasonable income in the higher bracket of middle class, and we have an annual budget for air travel in excess of 5-6K€; including our shuttle between BRU and BEY where my wife originates from. I would never consider buying Business tickets unless the difference is benign for a last minute urgent requirement as I'd rather enjoy travelling a bit more for the money!

Tips for upgrades: dress well (it's not not difficult to casually stand out nowadays) and travel alone on long haul flights or shorter flights far away from home.



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User currently offlineJOE777 From Saudi Arabia, joined Mar 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19430 times:

I have flown Business on GF, BA, SV, and EK.. And none of them were fully paid tickets!

Some were upgrade using miles, and others were upgrades due to having a check-in supervisor as a friend, or upgrade due to overbooking in Economy.

However, living for quite some time in the Middle East, there is quite a demand for Business class, as it is the "preferred" or "standard" class for flying for middle to high class families.


Cheers,
Joe   


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19250 times:

AirTran has made it easier. Most of the time I can fly Business Class on them for 2/3 to 3/4 the cost on DL, US, CO, etc.Too bad Southwest won't carry on the service.

I have FF on BA, so can buy a coach plus type fare, and upgrade to first of first plus. (BA has 4 cabins, 2 first type products)

For others trips, I save specifically for it. A few les meals out etc. I flew to Australia recently in first, and it was around $6,000. The folks I went with all planned the trip 2 years out, and had it all payed for before we went.

I use it regularly, but will use coach on a short leg like, CLT-ATL or GSO-ATL.



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User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19232 times:
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We fly to SYD (from LON) annually and we pay. The best value to SYD I think is AY - usually £1,000 cheaper per person than QF or BA and you get interesting routings and interesting aircraft. That £2,000 saving is a lot of spending money in Sydney. The extra two hours the flight takes is a small price to pay, I think.

Other holidays we look for specials. For instance, we went to Istanbul in March for a long weekend on BA in Club Europe. It was a special package deal they were running - the hotel and flight was no more expensive than a return full Economy fare.

Business trips - its a mix. Our company policy is the cheapest flexible economy fare, which these days means full whack economy. I get that quote, then get a quote for a discounted business class seat, which is usually only a few hundred pounds more expensive than the full economy fare. I then book the business class seat and pay the difference between the two quotes from my own pocket.

The risk I am taking is if my plans suddenly change and I have to change my flight, I am potentially liable for a big fare increase, or having to forfeit my existing ticket and pay for a whole new ticket. However, in practice this has not been an issue - despite what the ticket says, when I call the Frequent Flyer hotline they usually change the ticket without quibble (I think it is a status thing).

I once booked a flight from LCY to Basel on SWISS and the Business Class ticket was cheaper than the Economy ticket. I was the only person in buisness (no, it made no sense to me, either). Jolly good flight, too.

I have only every managed to get an upgrade on points once. I had to fly from LHR to CNS urgently (within 24 hours of booking) and could not get a business class seat, so I opted for Premium Economy. I suffered Premium Economy out there, but managed to get an upgrade on the return flight. I like the idea of using points to upgrade as it seems a cheap way into a business class seat but I can never get it to work for me.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1359 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19170 times:

Though they not be present here, there is a relatively large number of individuals and families who's net worth makes paying for C class travel no more financially constraining than an "average" family paying for Y class. There is a somewhat smaller group of people, but still a sizeable one, who don't really care about the costs and travel F because they can - keep in mind, I'm talking about individuals paying their own fare, not company paid travel. The last group of people have very many faces you might recognise from the entertainment world (including sports), but there is a fast growing market in the BRIC countries, China especially, as well as the middle east. China is growing more than it perhaps "should", due to the difficulties owning and operating private jets in that country. Hence, high net-worth individuals are "forced" to travel F class.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8265 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19121 times:

I used to fly First and Business all the time when I worked for the airlines and could non-rev. Since I left, though, I've only been in F twice: once paying for an upgrade, and once using FF points for reward travel. I'd never even think of paying for an F/J ticket for a flight under, say, 6 or 7 hours.

I use UA's Economy Plus and JetBlue as often as possible, though. I need my legroom!



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User currently offlinepdxtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19064 times:

I've only paid for First once on a multi-leg domestic trip (PDX-LAX on AS continuing in Coach on DL LAX-ATL-RDU). Domestically, I had Silver and Gold Status on DL that helped me secure ocassional upgrades. I've also booked domestic trips with miles in First Class.

Internationally, I flew First/Business standby when I worked for an airline. With my current company, it's stardard policy to purchase Business for a flight over 6 hours.

For the foreseeable future, I'll only fly First/Business using miles, upgrades, or when my company foots the bill. I'll now use my miles only for transoceanic upgrades. It's hard to go back to Coach for transoceanic flights once you've experienced First/Business. Domestically, it's a waste unless the mileage difference is very little.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18992 times:

First thing i would say is that there are an awful lot of 13-16 year old kids on here who are gold or platinum level million miler frequent flyers, all of whom have very strong opinions on whose business and first class seats are better etc.   Generally these people are very easy to spot.

Generally, i'd say half the people who say they fly C and F a lot on here are lying. Of the half that arent, all but a small fraction do so on airline non-rev tickets or FF miles.

There are very few people indeed on here who fly C and F off their own money out of their own pockets. Some do, but most do not pay for it. There are a lot of very wealthy people who do around the world, but not many of them are members of airliners.net.



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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18910 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 17):
There are very few people indeed on here who fly C and F off their own money out of their own pockets. Some do, but most do not pay for it. There are a lot of very wealthy people who do around the world, but not many of them are members of airliners.net.
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 17):
Generally, i'd say half the people who say they fly C and F a lot on here are lying. Of the half that arent, all but a small fraction do so on airline non-rev tickets or FF miles.

Do you have some sort of insight as to the demographic of the average a.netter? Quite a critical, unsubstantiated statement IMO.

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 18883 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9):
Yea, very few people pay out of pocket for first class. Me personally, I only fly first when its an affordable upgrade.

I assume you mean on domestic US flights, where 'business' is referred to as "First Class". On long haul, I can assure you a lot of people do pay or there would be no interest for airlines to have an F cabin.

For me, it a question of priorities vs my means. The vacation enjoyment is SO much greater, and the useful time at both ends of the journey, in J or F on long haul that I pay for it and allocate more of my disposible income to travel by far than most people probably do. I still make sure I get the very best deals on my alliance and also save for the my 'golden years'   I use my points to fly my dad out to Europe from Oz in J once a year....



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User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 18884 times:

When I have flown international in business class, it is my employer who has provided that for me   But for my own travel, I pay for economy on international flights, and I apply for upgrade on my economy ticket, on my trip BNE-LAX last month I got put into Premium Economy atleast which was nice, and no points needed to be used yey!   My next trip to LAX I should have enough points for business class  

Domestically for my own travel i'm usually happy with economy, though if I can manage an upgrade I do enjoy business lol

But personally, my number one seat of choice on the plane is not in the F J or Y cabins...rather the jumpseat!  



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18865 times:
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If you're very flexible, plan well ahead, and don't mind restrictions akin to a coach class ticket, you can get TATL premium tickets for closer to $2,000 than $3,000. Obviously, as the economy improves, these tickets will be harder and harder to come by, but they still do exist.

Beyond that, I fly a lot for work, most of it in C as it's seen as being more productive by my employer (and why would I disagree), so on personal trips, I can get status upgrades or mileage upgrades. Two airlines that my employer has contracts with will also give employees on personal trips space-available upgrades provided we book a specific coach class fare through our corporate travel agent.

Two weeks ago, I did fly a sector in C on my personal dime because it was a last-minute booking, Y was full and the cost of C was not much more than a Y seat at a far less convenient time, but other than that, you'd have to go back pretty far to find me in C at my expense.



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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18860 times:

Flying in Business Class is a rare treat for me, never been in First. Just counted I have flown totally nine legs in Business Class, mostly on Asia-Europe or in Asia. In most times I have used Finnair Plus miles for upgrades, goes very smoothly with them.

When AY MD-11 flew BKK-HKG route their Business tickets were often very cheap. They are several similar short hops in Asia, like Emirates A380 on BKK-HKG and Qatar A330 on HKT-KUL, affordable ways to taste Business Class on some top carriers.

My last Business cabin experience was a special one. Last winter AY used their new A333 on some long charter routes and I got a chance to taste their new full flat Business seat on a 6h flight HEL-LPA. The Business seat cost only EUR 50 extra o/w.

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Quoting vhtje (Reply 13):
We fly to SYD (from LON) annually and we pay. The best value to SYD I think is AY - usually £1,000 cheaper per person than QF or BA and you get interesting routings and interesting aircraft. That £2,000 saving is a lot of spending money in Sydney. The extra two hours the flight takes is a small price to pay, I think.

AY is returning to SIN in the end of May, daily non stop this time. That will provide more Europe-Australia connections, it looks AY have got their own slice of that market, especially with their lower Business fares.


User currently offlinecarbon787 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18855 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 17):
Generally, i'd say half the people who say they fly C and F a lot on here are lying. Of the half that arent, all but a small fraction do so on airline non-rev tickets or FF miles.

There are very few people indeed on here who fly C and F off their own money out of their own pockets. Some do, but most do not pay for it. There are a lot of very wealthy people who do around the world, but not many of them are members of airliners.net.

Quite an opinionated statement isn't it?
Just because you may not be able to pay for C or F out of your own pocket, does not mean that others are in the same position.
You'd be surprised the kind of deals you can get for C if you just spend a bit of time researching!
We have never paid full fares for C and never will!


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18851 times:

Quoting carbon787 (Reply 23):
You'd be surprised the kind of deals you can get for C if you just spend a bit of time researching!
We have never paid full fares for C and never will!



  

I have been flying to China for the past 10 years on average ~3 times per year. I have been using the same travel agent all this time and she finds me the best deals in C class. I have never paid full price or even close for a C class ticket. On average, it is 3 x Y class fares.



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25 CitationJet : I agree, knowing a good travel agent is a benefit. My wife owns a corporate incentive travel company...
26 Post contains images PlymSpotter : That is one of the wonders of the internet. Spot, pity, ignore. My own opinion of course, but sometimes it sticks out like a sore thumb. I personally
27 Post contains images Viscount724 : When I worked for an airline I travelled a lot on business, usually about 6 or 7 Canada-Europe trips a year, and less frequently to other parts of the
28 Post contains images BD338 : I've flown business class on a few occassions out of my 50 or so trips across the atlantic but only when: 1) A good fare sale and snagged for under $2
29 Post contains images initious : Like you, I am also an average middle class guy. My very first Business Class flight was last June on TG from SIN-BKK-PVG and return. The reason for
30 joffie : The thing people dont realise is, you can get cheap fares from different cities. For example, Istanbul is dirt cheap compared to Frankfurt or anywhere
31 rhw : As i am a student ( intern currently ) and don't work with a big company yet, i probably forgot to mention the third 'category'; business travelers. H
32 Coal : 80% of the time I travel business class is on company business. Our travel policy is that flights over 3 hours gets you in business class (this also a
33 signol : I haven't. One day maybe, but now, it's not worth it to me. I'd rather take my family on 2 or 3 trips in a year rather than 1 in business. Slowly savi
34 Post contains images Quokka : I have booked in Y and when I had enough used miles to upgrade to J, and I have also received complimentary upgrades without asking. Most of my earlie
35 srbmod : Several years ago, I actually bought a First Class ticket on DL because I had decided to splurge on one. I managed to get a RT ATL-LAS-ATL on Delta f
36 JetBlue777 : Back in 2007 when QR was still in EWR, they offered a $1100 fare from MNL-DOH-EWR, only a couple of hundred higher than economy class.
37 AirCanada787 : I full agree with that statement, I am 24 as well and all of the trips I have paid for have been in economy. I look at it this way, why would I spend
38 Post contains images rhw : PlymSpotter, AirCanada787, I agree. Also 24 and - as mentioned - student with limited budget. I recently planned a 2 week trip to the states. 2 weeks
39 canoecarrier : I can't speak for all of them, because I don't work for a "global player" but in consulting if you're on a long flight sometimes it's worth it to the
40 Post contains images shamrock604 : One doesnt normally pay for Business class out of one's own pocket - mostly, it is companies paying for their staff. Many companies insist on J for jo
41 RamblinMan : If your annual income amounts to the price of an business class ticket then you're probably not going anywhere in coach either. And yes, the reality
42 Post contains images DrStrange : The only businessclass ticket I ever paid for out of my own pocket was for my honeymoon. I thought to myself, if I am ever going to pay for a J-ticket
43 sandyb123 : I was referring more to their F cabin. I agree that other Y and J cabins are more spacious, but for a bit less space I have found I get a much better
44 InnocuousFox : UA Premier Elite free First Class upgrades baybee!
45 rhw : ramblinman, here is what i wrote: By many times i mean at least 10 times a year which results in approximately 80 000 - 100 000 USD cost min. The med
46 brad330 : my father earns 3-4million Qantas Frequent Flyer points a year so I use them for him.
47 robso2 : LX offer some European fares at a 'Business Saver' rate - this is relatively affordable - for instance I have flown MAN-GVA return for £200 via ZRH.
48 genybustrvlr : Business/First is an addiction. It starts when you reach a level where you're permitted to travel business on the company $. Then it spreads over to p
49 blueflyer : Actually there are smaller companies that will attract talent at wages lower than the "global players" by, among many others, giving perks such as gu
50 warren747sp : Only in Z or D class when available or use miles. The other choice is to fly Qatar or Ehiopian! Short haul can be economy plus. W
51 genybustrvlr : My company has taken a hybrid approach. Coach is now mandatory for staff employees on domestic travel - they still get business on international. Man
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