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Ideal Economy Cabin  
User currently offlinemarkitaly2000 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

If we could design our ideal economy seat .... how would we want it ?
Fixed back-shell, so we have a preserved personal space ? ...forget the CX seat ... I am talking about something serious  

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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

This would be the ideal economy seat, IMO.


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User currently offlinemarkitaly2000 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

I do like your proposed seat .... what features makes it "ideal" ?

User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Quoting markitaly2000 (Reply 2):
what features makes it "ideal" ?

- 2 Armrests for everyone
- A side, "sleeping", head rest for everyone
- No invasion of personal space from the pax in front
- wider seats



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User currently offlinemarkitaly2000 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

...ture true ...

And what about cabin crew serving meals to the guy seated on the window seat ?
Can the window seat guy walk out easily and in safety in case of emergency ?


User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

I remember seeing reference to those a while back... has any airline actually installed them?

As for comfort, a lot will depend on the padding... too thin (to make space for extra legroom etc) and it could be a mersable experience on a long haul flight.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 1):

I second this... or indeed anything featuring a fixed back shell!


User currently offlinePassenger From Italy, joined May 2011, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

I love that seat... even if going in and out from the windows site may be painful!!!

User currently offlinemarkitaly2000 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Delta was interested in the seat ... and something went wrong, not sure what ...may be lack of courage ?

[Edited 2011-05-03 10:43:12]

[Edited 2011-05-03 10:43:43]

User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

I have been keeping faith in Thompson seats for years.
Apparently the most serious issue - they can't certify them due to safety reasons.


User currently offlinemarkitaly2000 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

thank you ...and safety was "emergency evacuation" ?

User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Quoting markitaly2000 (Reply 4):
And what about cabin crew serving meals to the guy seated on the window seat ?

Meals? What meals? We don't know what that is in the US. haha.

Quoting markitaly2000 (Reply 4):
Can the window seat guy walk out easily and in safety in case of emergency ?

I would assume the seat would meet any requirements set forth by any of the civil aviation authorities.

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 5):
has any airline actually installed them?

The seats should be certified and ready for production sometime this year. So, no... no airline has yet to install them.

Quoting markitaly2000 (Reply 8):
Delta was interested in the seat ... and something was wrong, not sure what ...may be lack of courage ?

I wasn't able to find anything saying that Delta is no longer interested in the seat... so for all I know their plans to install them for the international flights just got delayed from the original timeline.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

36"+ seat pitch.
5 across seating.
I know the bean counters are cringing.  

Armrests for everyone.
Generous seat recline which does not invade the space of the person seated behind. i.e The seat bottom slides forward similar to the recliner in your home. Only your own leg space is reduced.
I can only dream.   


User currently offlinemarkitaly2000 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Bohica, i think that only the 5 across seating on a wide body is a dream ... all the rest is feasible !

...and bean counters will agree when they see passengers willing to pay a premium to fly on the mini L-Z-boy  


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Unfortunately, most of your "ideal economy seat" ideas would lead to "less than ideal economy fares". It's a pointless discussion without considering the whole picture.


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User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1454 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

My ideal seat would be NZ's skycouch but with 3x3x3 configuration.

I also like the seat that SQ, EK, OZ, TK, KE, etc has on their 77W/744/388, the seat slides forward as you recline and I think they have the same manufacturer.


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User currently offlinemarkitaly2000 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

hey Fox, thank you ...of course the answer should be in relation to what is feasible .... Or it would be "private jet experience for all ! "
Some might prefer more space, some more features, some privacy, or the replacement of the traditional cushion with something new ...

for jet Blue777, i like the NZ sky-couch , but don't tell me that you had a good experience on the EK seat ...since they removed the foot-rest (in order to save on weight and maintenance) when, unless you are 6foot, you can't touch the pavement with your feet , talking about "dvt) , sigh ....
And i totally agree, 777 should be 3-3-3 !


User currently onlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Oh how I ache for the return of AA More Room Throughout Coach, that was the nearest to the ideal Y cabin (to be updated with IFE today of course) without getting carried away with 38" pitch etc.  

B6 is about as good as they come on the US airlines I have experienced, though I find WN has a very comfy seat and not quite so stingy on the legroom as many of the US majors.

..individual arms rests...I could definitely work with that idea though.

I've just booked seats in DL Economy Comfort for some upcoming TATL flights, that might have a chance of being the ideal Y cabin (or is it bordering on Y+?)


User currently offlinemarkitaly2000 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Yeah, I like the "individual armrest" idea, I am for "individual items" and PRIVACY too

that would sacrifice a good inch of the seating space though ... would the passengers be willing to sarifice 1 inch per seating space for a feautre like that ?


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2941 times:
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Similar to EY's J class and similar staggered configurations, with direct aisle access from every seat - but reduce the seat pitch to around 36 inches and no flat bed. This would necessitate an even number configuration such as 2-4-2. Each seat encapsulated in a 'suite' like configuration with your own TV and footrest. I don't know how best to describe it other than to say think EY's J class with reduced pitch and no flat bed.

Not going to happen, I know, but hey - it's an 'ideal' Y cabin!



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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2927 times:
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Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 15):

Do I do not really like VS, the on their A340s have these type of seats too.


User currently offlinemarkitaly2000 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2011, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

CXB you re right ... I agree , that is the ideal world !

Even in Business Class, is it really necessary to have a full flat ... when it reclines and goes down there in the dark and cols, i can't really say i am comfortable.

What about getting an advanced Z-bed ? With modern features, privacy, amenities ... as if you were sleeping on your recliner sofa at home ....


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