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Summer 2011 Transpacific Flights Offer Data  
User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 624 posts, RR: 5
Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

This thread contains a simple, non professional analysis of (westbound) Transpacific flights for an arbitrary day of the Summer 2011 schedule. The day chosen is Tuesday, July 5, 2011.

Disclaimer

Note : a similar thread for North Atlantic flights can be found here : Summer 2011 North Atlantic Flights Offer Data (by BrusselsSouth Apr 25 2011 in Aviation Polls)

In this thread, a Transpacific flight is arbitrarily defined as a flight originating from one country from the 'East' country list, and arriving in one country from the 'West' country list. For multiple stops flights, only the transpacific portion is considered. ONLY WESTBOUND FLIGHTS ARE CONSIDERED IN THIS THREAD. Full cargo flights are NOT considered.

'East' countries : Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile (including Easter island), Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador (including Galapagos), El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vicent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, United States (including Hawaii), Uruguay, Venezuela.

'West' countries : American Samoa, Australia, Brunei, Cambodia, China (including Hong Kong), Cook Islands, East Timor, Fiji, French Polynesia, Guam, Indonesia, Japan, Kiribati, Macau, North Korea, South Korea, Malaysia, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Niue, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Pitcairn Islands, Samoa, Singapore, Solomons Islands, Taiwan, Thailand, Tokelau, Tonga, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Vietnam, Wallis and Futuna.

I tried to list all transpacific flights operating on July 5, 2011. I don't mean to have them all, especially for charter-like airlines. You are welcome to indicate missing flights. By chosing that particular day, some flights operating on a less than weekly basis are NOT included (e.g. YVR-AKL (NZ), SEA-TPE (BR), LAX-RAR (NZ), EZE-AKL (AR), HNL-MAJ (CO), ...). Also, some airlines might operate radically different schedules depending on the day of the week.

The number of seats offered is based on seat plans published by airlines / other websites. This figure is approximate because different cabin configurations can exist for a single aicraft/airline combination, and because airlines do not always indicate the exact version of the aircraft used (e.g. A330-200 or A330-300).

My full list can be downloaded here (PDF file).

> Total transpacific westbound flights : 158
> Total transpacific westbound seats offered : 46.653

Top departure metro areas :

.By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.LAX13.779. . . . . . . . . .LAX45
2.SFO6.724. . . . . . . . . .HNL24
3.HNL6.516. . . . . . . . . .SFO21
4.YVR4.574. . . . . . . . . .YVR16
5.NYC4.090. . . . . . . . . .NYC14
6.ORD2.803. . . . . . . . . .ORD10
7.YYZ2.581. . . . . . . . . .YYZ8
8.SEA1.533. . . . . . . . . .SEA6
9.DTW1.074. . . . . . . . . .DFW3
10.DFW819. . . . . . . . . .DTW3
11.ATL609. . . . . . . . . .ATL2
12.MSP403. . . . . . . . . .IAH1
13.IAH276. . . . . . . . . .MSP1
14.SCL264. . . . . . . . . .PDX1
15.PDX216. . . . . . . . . .SCL1
16.YYC211. . . . . . . . . .TIJ1
17.TIJ181. . . . . . . . . .YYC1


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Top destination metro areas :

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.TYO12.947. . . . . . . . . .TYO47
2.ICN7.204. . . . . . . . . .ICN25
3.HKG6.114. . . . . . . . . .HKG17
4.TPE3.657. . . . . . . . . .PEK11
5.PEK3.243. . . . . . . . . .PVG11
6.PVG3.144. . . . . . . . . .TPE11
7.SYD3.006. . . . . . . . . .SYD9
8.AKL1.520. . . . . . . . . .AKL5
9.KIX1.108. . . . . . . . . .KIX4
10.PPT852. . . . . . . . . .PPT3
11.MEL706. . . . . . . . . .MEL2
12.MNL528. . . . . . . . . .MNL2
13.NAN458. . . . . . . . . .NGO2
14.NGO453. . . . . . . . . .SIN2
15.BNE343. . . . . . . . . .BKK1
16.CAN284. . . . . . . . . .BNE1
17.GUM256. . . . . . . . . .CAN1
18.PPG253. . . . . . . . . .CXI1
19.BKK215. . . . . . . . . .GUM1
20.SIN200. . . . . . . . . .NAN1
21.CXI162. . . . . . . . . .PPG1


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Top departure airports :

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.LAX13.779. . . . . . . . . .LAX45
2.SFO6.724. . . . . . . . . .HNL24
3.HNL6.516. . . . . . . . . .SFO21
4.YVR4.574. . . . . . . . . .YVR16
5.JFK2.886. . . . . . . . . .ORD10
6.ORD2.803. . . . . . . . . .JFK9
7.YYZ2.581. . . . . . . . . .YYZ8
8.SEA1.533. . . . . . . . . .SEA6
9.EWR1.204. . . . . . . . . .EWR5
10.DTW1.074. . . . . . . . . .DFW3
11.DFW819. . . . . . . . . .DTW3
12.ATL609. . . . . . . . . .ATL2
13.MSP403. . . . . . . . . .IAH1
14.IAH276. . . . . . . . . .MSP1
15.SCL264. . . . . . . . . .PDX1
16.PDX216. . . . . . . . . .SCL1
17.YYC211. . . . . . . . . .TIJ1
18.TIJ181. . . . . . . . . .YYC1


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Top destination airports :

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.NRT11.457. . . . . . . . . .NRT41
2.ICN7.204. . . . . . . . . .ICN25
3.HKG6.114. . . . . . . . . .HKG17
4.TPE3.657. . . . . . . . . .PEK11
5.PEK3.243. . . . . . . . . .PVG11
6.PVG3.144. . . . . . . . . .TPE11
7.SYD3.006. . . . . . . . . .SYD9
8.AKL1.520. . . . . . . . . .HND6
9.HND1.490. . . . . . . . . .AKL5
10.KIX1.108. . . . . . . . . .KIX4
11.PPT852. . . . . . . . . .PPT3
12.MEL706. . . . . . . . . .MEL2
13.MNL528. . . . . . . . . .MNL2
14.NAN458. . . . . . . . . .NGO2
15.NGO453. . . . . . . . . .SIN2
16.BNE343. . . . . . . . . .BKK1
17.CAN284. . . . . . . . . .BNE1
18.GUM256. . . . . . . . . .CAN1
19.PPG253. . . . . . . . . .CXI1
20.BKK215. . . . . . . . . .GUM1
21.SIN200. . . . . . . . . .NAN1
22.CXI162. . . . . . . . . .PPG1


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Top 30 city (metro areas) pairs :

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.HNL - TYO3.119. . . . . . . . . .HNL - TYO11
2.LAX - TYO2.464. . . . . . . . . .LAX - TYO9
3.LAX - TPE2.030. . . . . . . . . .LAX - ICN6
4.LAX - SYD1.806. . . . . . . . . .LAX - TPE6
5.LAX - ICN1.785. . . . . . . . . .LAX - SYD5
6.NYC - HKG1.422. . . . . . . . . .SFO - TYO5
7.SFO - HKG1.410. . . . . . . . . .NYC - HKG4
8.SFO - TYO1.343. . . . . . . . . .NYC - TYO4
9.SFO - ICN1.223. . . . . . . . . .ORD - TYO4
10.NYC - TYO1.184. . . . . . . . . .SFO - HKG4
11.YVR - HKG1.110. . . . . . . . . .SFO - ICN4
12.YYZ - HKG1.034. . . . . . . . . .HNL - ICN3
13.ORD - TYO984. . . . . . . . . .LAX - AKL3
14.LAX - AKL877. . . . . . . . . .LAX - PPT3
15.LAX - PPT852. . . . . . . . . .LAX - PVG3
16.YVR - PEK851. . . . . . . . . .NYC - ICN3
17.NYC - ICN832. . . . . . . . . .YVR - HKG3
18.LAX - PVG815. . . . . . . . . .YVR - PEK3
19.HNL - ICN813. . . . . . . . . .YYZ - HKG3
20.LAX - HKG764. . . . . . . . . .DFW - TYO2
21.SFO - TPE715. . . . . . . . . .HNL - KIX2
22.LAX - MEL706. . . . . . . . . .HNL - NGO2
23.SFO - PEK654. . . . . . . . . .HNL - SYD2
24.HNL - KIX640. . . . . . . . . .LAX - HKG2
25.ORD - PEK617. . . . . . . . . .LAX - MEL2
26.YVR - TPE594. . . . . . . . . .ORD - PEK2
27.HNL - SYD556. . . . . . . . . .ORD - PVG2
28.SEA - ICN551. . . . . . . . . .SEA - ICN2
29.SEA - TYO550. . . . . . . . . .SEA - TYO2
30.YVR - PVG511. . . . . . . . . .SFO - PEK2



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Top airlines :

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.DL5.585. . . . . . . . . .DL18
2.UA5.382. . . . . . . . . .UA17
3.KE4.467. . . . . . . . . .KE16
4.CX4.193. . . . . . . . . .AC11
5.AC3.104. . . . . . . . . .CX11
6.JL2.774. . . . . . . . . .JL11
7.BR1.908. . . . . . . . . .AA7
8.CI1.864. . . . . . . . . .NH7
9.QF1.714. . . . . . . . . .BR6
10.AA1.701. . . . . . . . . .CO6
11.CO1.636. . . . . . . . . .CI5
12.OZ1.579. . . . . . . . . .OZ5
13.NH1.549. . . . . . . . . .QF5
14.SQ1.227. . . . . . . . . .SQ5
15.CA1.062. . . . . . . . . .CA4
16.NZ1.021. . . . . . . . . .HA4
17.HA1.012. . . . . . . . . .NZ3
18.VA726. . . . . . . . . .FJ2
19.FJ620. . . . . . . . . .MU2
20.MU620. . . . . . . . . .PR2
21.TN588. . . . . . . . . .TN2
22.PR528. . . . . . . . . .VA2
23.JQ303. . . . . . . . . .AF1
24.CZ284. . . . . . . . . .AM1
25.MH282. . . . . . . . . .CZ1
26.AF264. . . . . . . . . .JQ1
27.LA264. . . . . . . . . .LA1
28.TG215. . . . . . . . . .MH1
29.AM181. . . . . . . . . .TG1


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Top global alliances :

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.Star18.467. . . . . . . . . .Star64
2.SkyTeam13.481. . . . . . . . . .SkyTeam45
3.OneWorld10.949. . . . . . . . . .OneWorld36
4.(No alliance)3.756. . . . . . . . . .(No alliance)13


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Top departure countries :

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.USA38.842. . . . . . . . . .USA131
2.Canada7.366. . . . . . . . . .Canada25
3.Chile264. . . . . . . . . .Chile1
4.Mexico181. . . . . . . . . .Mexico1


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Top destination countries :

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.Japan14.508. . . . . . . . . .Japan53
2.China12.785. . . . . . . . . .China40
3.South Korea7.204. . . . . . . . . .South Korea25
4.Australia4.055. . . . . . . . . .Australia12
5.Taiwan3.657. . . . . . . . . .Taiwan11
6.New Zealand1.520. . . . . . . . . .New Zealand5
7.French Polynesia852. . . . . . . . . .French Polynesia3
8.Philippines528. . . . . . . . . .Philippines2
9.Fiji458. . . . . . . . . .Singapore2
10.Guam256. . . . . . . . . .American Samoa1
11.American Samoa253. . . . . . . . . .Fiji1
12.Thailand215. . . . . . . . . .Guam1
13.Singapore200. . . . . . . . . .Kiribati1
14.Kiribati162. . . . . . . . . .Thailand1


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Top country pairs :

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.USA-Japan13.265. . . . . . . . . .USA-Japan48
2.USA-China8.660. . . . . . . . . .USA-China27
3.USA-South Korea6.471. . . . . . . . . .USA-South Korea22
4.Canada-China4.125. . . . . . . . . .Canada-China13
5.USA-Australia3.785. . . . . . . . . .USA-Australia11
6.USA-Taiwan2.745. . . . . . . . . .USA-Taiwan8
7.USA-New Zealand1.256. . . . . . . . . .Canada-Japan4
8.Canada-Japan1.062. . . . . . . . . .USA-New Zealand4
9.Canada-Taiwan912. . . . . . . . . .Canada-South Korea3
10.USA-French Polynesia852. . . . . . . . . .Canada-Taiwan3
11.Canada-South Korea733. . . . . . . . . .USA-French Polynesia3
12.USA-Fiji458. . . . . . . . . .USA-Singapore2
13.Canada-Australia270. . . . . . . . . .Canada-Australia1
14.Canada-Philippines264. . . . . . . . . .Canada-Philippines1
15.Chile-New Zealand264. . . . . . . . . .Chile-New Zealand1
16.USA-Philippines264. . . . . . . . . .Mexico-Japan1
17.USA-Guam256. . . . . . . . . .USA-American Samoa1
18.USA-American Samoa253. . . . . . . . . .USA-Fiji1
19.USA-Thailand215. . . . . . . . . .USA-Guam1
20.USA-Singapore200. . . . . . . . . .USA-Kiribati1
21.Mexico-Japan181. . . . . . . . . .USA-Philippines1
22.USA-Kiribati162. . . . . . . . . .USA-Thailand1


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Top aicraft types :

1.B77776
2.B74735
3.B76722
4.A33011
5.A34011
6.A3802
7.B7371


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A couple observations

- On the 'East' side, more than 80% of all transpacific originate/terminate in the US. With USA and Canada together, the proportion becomes 99% !

- The Boeing 777 (all versions) is the king of the pacific, operating almost 1 out of 2 flights. In the North Atlantic thread, the 767 was the winner, but with only 26% of flights. The 777 was third at 17%.

- Two flights are operated by an A380, both from LAX : LAX-NRT by SQ (continuing to SIN), and LAX-SYD by QF.

- Transpacific flights as defined in this thread represent about one third of North Atlantic flights as defined in my other thread (flights and seats wise).

- In terms of seats offered, LAX is by far the largest gateway on the 'East' side, while on the 'West' side, Tokyo is the clear winner (NRT in particular).

- Your comments are very welcome !

Regards
BrusselsSouth

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User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Thanks for another fascinating analysis! Great job! The graphs are a nice touch.

It is interesting to compare the Transpacific data with the North Atlantic data from the other thread. A few observations...

Of the top 30 departure metro areas on the North Atlantic list, only 4 have more transpacific seats than North Atlantic seats:

LAX 13,779 vs. 5964
SFO 6724 vs. 4390
YVR 4574 vs. 1949
SEA 1533 vs. 1521 (6 flights to each)

Although it is certainly not in the top 30 departure metro areas on the North Atlantic list, it is interesting that PDX has 1 transpacific and 1 North Atlantic flight.

Here is a combined list of the top 20 destination metro areas from both lists. Interestingly, 7 transpacific destinations are on this list:

LON 37,034
PAR 21,207
FRA 15,512
TYO 12,947
AMS 11,305
MAD 7,325
ICN 7,204
HKG 6,114
FCO 5,219
MUC 4,195
ZRH 3,741
TPE 3,657
TLV 3,573
PEK 3,243
DUB 3,176
PVG 3,144
SYD 3,006
MAN 2,953
BRU 2,890
MOW 1,960


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4358 times:

As BNAOWB pointed out by PM, I somehow forgot IAD in my list. The following flights should thus be added :

IAD - PEK / UA 897 / 772 / 252 seats / Star Alliance
IAD - NRT / UA 803 / 772 / 252 seats / Star Alliance
IAD - NRT / NH 1 / 772 / 217 seats / Star Alliance
IAD - ICN / KE 97 / 77W / 216 seats / SkyTeam

New totals :

> Total transpacific westbound flights : 162
> Total transpacific westbound seats offered : 47.590

With 937 seats, IAD ranks 10th (instead of DFW) for departure metro areas (seats) and 9th for flights.

Other rankings remain valid, except for airlines, where a few changes occur, including first rank : UA becomes first (DL becomes second) both in terms of seats or flights. NH becomes 12th instead of 13th in terms of seats, and 7th instead of 8th in terms of flights (overtaking AA).

Thanks BNAOWB for pointing that out (somehow I knew you'd check the data thoroughly   ).

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 1):
Of the top 30 departure metro areas on the North Atlantic list, only 4 have more transpacific seats than North Atlantic seats:

LAX 13,779 vs. 5964
SFO 6724 vs. 4390
YVR 4574 vs. 1949
SEA 1533 vs. 1521 (6 flights to each)

Makes sense as those are all West coast cities, having a better location for onward connections (US/Canada) for passengers arriving from Asia. On the other side, Eastern cities are better suited for connections for passengers arriving from Europe.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 1):
Here is a combined list of the top 20 destination metro areas from both lists. Interestingly, 7 transpacific destinations are on this list:

Thanks for that. It strikes me that there are so much more seats to Europe than to Asia from North America (in terms of non-stop flights, of course, as the actual pax traffic is probably very different, taking connections into account).

For example, the number of seats offered on direct flights from North America to PEK is similar to DUB. Another example is SYD compared to MAN or BRU.

It would be interesting to know about the actual traffic patterns for example from Eastern US cities to China. At first sight, I would think it would be more logical to connect through a West coast city, than via Europe. However, calculating great circle distances gives the following figures :

JFK-PEK direct : 6 837 miles
JFK-FRA-PEK : 8 708 miles
JFK-SFO-PEK : 8 499 miles

So it's only marginally longer in terms of distance via Europe than via a West coast hub. I don't know the proportion of North American pax who travel eastbound to Asia, instead of westbound.

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 2):
For example, the number of seats offered on direct flights from North America to PEK is similar to DUB. Another example is SYD compared to MAN or BRU.

Since PEK and SYD are such high profile airports, I would have thought that there are far more seats to PEK than to DUB and far more seats to SYD than to MAN.

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 2):
It would be interesting to know about the actual traffic patterns for example from Eastern US cities to China. At first sight, I would think it would be more logical to connect through a West coast city, than via Europe. However, calculating great circle distances gives the following figures :

JFK-PEK direct : 6 837 miles
JFK-FRA-PEK : 8 708 miles
JFK-SFO-PEK : 8 499 miles

So it's only marginally longer in terms of distance via Europe than via a West coast hub. I don't know the proportion of North American pax who travel eastbound to Asia, instead of westbound.

While I don't know the numbers, for those passengers not flying nonstop between JFK and PEK, a much more attractive routing would be through DTW or ORD:

JFK-DTW-PEK 7140 miles
JFK-ORD-PEK 7319 miles

Comparing flight durations:
JFK-DTW-PEK 19:15 on DL
JFK-SFO-PEK 20:20 on UA.
JFK-FRA-PEK 20:45 on LH/CA

For an Eastern U.S. city without a PEK nonstop such as ATL, a connection in DTW or ORD adds almost no mileage and is more direct than connecting in Asia:

ATL-PEK 7185 miles
ATL-ORD-PEK 7185 miles
ATL-DTW-PEK 7226 miles
ATL-ICN-PEK 7714 miles
ATL-NRT-PEK 8180 miles


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 3):
a much more attractive routing would be through DTW or ORD

You are absolutely right, but the point I'm trying to make is : why so few seats offered from North America to, as you rightfully say, high profile destinations such as PEK, PVG, ... ? Are there more (business or O&D) ties between North Am and DUB than between North Am and PEK ? Are ties between North America and SYD of the same kind of importance as between North America and BRU ? So I was wondering whether those figures might be biased by a significant number of America - Asia pax transiting via Europe rather than via an American gateway ?

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently onlineyeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Thanks for your analysis; its appreciated BrusselsSouth: an interesting snapshot in time!

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 4):
Are there more.. ties between North Am and DUB than between North Am and PEK ?

European/N. American cultural ties, including business and family ties, plus high levels of tourism and many years of air route development have gone into these EU - N. Am aviation relationships, so I would answer in the affirmative!

It would be interesting to do a comparison of your posting to one done in five years and ten years. I would expect then we'd see the asian routes exhibiting a greater rate of growth in flights and seats than the European routes during the same time.

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 4):
I was wondering whether those figures might be biased by a significant number of America - Asia pax transiting via Europe rather than via an American gateway ?

I'll go out on a limb: I would expect not. Transiting via Europe to India from N. America is one thing; going via Europe to China or Japan for example, even from the East coast is less likely I should think than flying nonstop or transiting via the midwest or even the west coast, so I don't think you'd find a great amount passengers hidden there.

Thanks again, BRU-S!

yeo



Yokoso! to my world
User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 4):
So I was wondering whether those figures might be biased by a significant number of America - Asia pax transiting via Europe rather than via an American gateway ?
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 5):
I would expect not. Transiting via Europe to India from N. America is one thing; going via Europe to China or Japan for example, even from the East coast is less likely I should think than flying nonstop or transiting via the midwest or even the west coast, so I don't think you'd find a great amount passengers hidden there.

My guess is also no. Another factor is that the early arrival times in Europe of most flights from North America (6:00-11:00) are not well timed for connections to East Asia. Using PEK as the destination, here are the earliest departure times to PEK from the top 4 European hubs on July 6th:

LHR (16:45 on BA)
CDG (13:45 on AF - not bad)
FRA (14:50 on CA)
AMS (17:35 on KL)



[Edited 2011-05-15 18:59:34]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 6):
My guess is also no. Another factor is that the early arrival times in Europe of most flights from North America (6:00-11:00) are not well timed for connections to East Asia. Using PEK as the destination, here are the earliest departure times to PEK from the top 4 European hubs on July 6th:

LHR (16:45 on BA)
CDG (13:45 on AF - not bad)
FRA (14:50 on CA)
AMS (17:35 on KL)

However to various other points in Asia there are quite a few flights that make reasonably good connections with many flights from North America. Examples of some of the earlier departures from Europe:

AMS-SIN SQ 1115
LHR-SIN SQ 1130
ZRH-SIN SQ 1145
CDG-SIN SQ 1200
LHR-SIN QF 1205
FRA-SIN SQ 1235 (originates JFK 2125 the previous night)
MUC-SIN SQ 1325

LHR-KUL MH 1200
AMS-KUL MH 1200
CDG-KUL MH 1200
FRA-KUL MH 1230

LHR-HKG CX 1230
CDG-HKG AF 1345
CDG-HKG CX 1350
FRA-HKG CX 1355
AMS-HKG CX 1400

LHR-BKK TG 1230
ZRH-BKK TG 1330
AMS-BKK CI 1355

FRA-PVG MU 1440

FRA-PEK CA 1450


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 3):
Since PEK and SYD are such high profile airports, I would have thought that there are far more seats to PEK than to DUB and far more seats to SYD than to MAN.

What is a high profile airport in your opinion? Don't quite understand that term in light of rhe airlines offering more seats to DUB and MAN, than to SYD and PEK.


User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
However to various other points in Asia there are quite a few flights that make reasonably good connections with many flights from North America

Thanks for that list. So, do you think that a significant percentage of the Eastern U.S. to East Asia market transits through Europe?

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8):
What is a high profile airport in your opinion? Don't quite understand that term in light of rhe airlines offering more seats to DUB and MAN, than to SYD and PEK.

I agree that the term "high profile airport" is not possible to quantify. My intention was that PEK and SYD have considerably larger annual passenger volumes (roughly 74 million and 35 million respectively) than MAN and DUB (about 18 million each). Of course, larger annual passenger volumes do not automatically translate into larger demand from North America.


User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

It is interesting that LAX-NAN on FJ has the second highest number of estimated available seats (458 on a high density 744) of any individual flight on the list. It appears that this route is operated 5 times per week in July. Are large numbers of these passengers connecting to other South Pacific islands or to Australia/New Zealand?

Also, here are 3 more transpacific flights that operate July 5th for the list:

ATL-PVG DL
JFK-PEK CA
JFK-PVG MU


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 10):
Also, here are 3 more transpacific flights that operate July 5th for the list:

Thank you for those additions. The list should be fairly complete by now. By the way, I have updated the PDF list behind the link in the OP to include the missing flights.

Selected new rankings after all the additions :

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Top departure metro areas

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.LAX13.779. . . . . . . . . .LAX45
2.SFO6.724. . . . . . . . . .HNL24
3.HNL6.516. . . . . . . . . .SFO21
4.NYC4.754. . . . . . . . . .NYC16
5.YVR4.574. . . . . . . . . .YVR16
6.ORD2.803. . . . . . . . . .ORD10
7.YYZ2.581. . . . . . . . . .YYZ8
8.SEA1.533. . . . . . . . . .SEA6
9.DTW1.074. . . . . . . . . .WAS4
10.WAS982. . . . . . . . . .ATL3
11.ATL877. . . . . . . . . .DTW3
12.DFW819. . . . . . . . . .DFW3
13.MSP403. . . . . . . . . .SCL1
14.IAH276. . . . . . . . . .TIJ1
15.SCL264. . . . . . . . . .MSP1
16.PDX216. . . . . . . . . .IAH1
17.YYC211. . . . . . . . . .YYC1
18.TIJ181. . . . . . . . . .PDX1


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Top destination metro areas

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.TYO13.416. . . . . . . . . .TYO49
2.ICN7.465. . . . . . . . . .ICN26
3.HKG6.114. . . . . . . . . .HKG17
4.PEK3.839. . . . . . . . . .PVG13
5.PVG3.732. . . . . . . . . .PEK13
6.TPE3.657. . . . . . . . . .TPE11
7.SYD3.006. . . . . . . . . .SYD9
8.AKL1.520. . . . . . . . . .AKL5
9.KIX1.108. . . . . . . . . .KIX4
10.PPT852. . . . . . . . . .PPT3
11.MEL706. . . . . . . . . .MNL2
12.MNL528. . . . . . . . . .MEL2
13.NAN458. . . . . . . . . .NGO2
14.NGO453. . . . . . . . . .SIN2
15.BNE343. . . . . . . . . .PPG1
16.CAN284. . . . . . . . . .GUM1
17.GUM256. . . . . . . . . .CXI1
18.PPG253. . . . . . . . . .CAN1
19.BKK215. . . . . . . . . .BNE1
20.SIN200. . . . . . . . . .BKK1
21.CXI162. . . . . . . . . .NAN1


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Top metro areas pairs

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.HNL - TYO3.119. . . . . . . . . .HNL - TYO11
2.LAX - TYO2.464. . . . . . . . . .LAX - TYO9
3.LAX - TPE2.030. . . . . . . . . .LAX - TPE6
4.LAX - SYD1.806. . . . . . . . . .LAX - ICN6
5.LAX - ICN1.785. . . . . . . . . .LAX - SYD5
6.NYC - HKG1.422. . . . . . . . . .SFO - TYO5
7.SFO - HKG1.410. . . . . . . . . .SFO - ICN4
8.SFO - TYO1.343. . . . . . . . . .NYC - HKG4
9.SFO - ICN1.223. . . . . . . . . .ORD - TYO4
10.NYC - TYO1.184. . . . . . . . . .SFO - HKG4
11.YVR - HKG1.110. . . . . . . . . .NYC - TYO4
12.YYZ - HKG1.034. . . . . . . . . .NYC - ICN3
13.ORD - TYO984. . . . . . . . . .LAX - PPT3
14.LAX - AKL877. . . . . . . . . .LAX - PVG3
15.LAX - PPT852. . . . . . . . . .YVR - HKG3
16.YVR - PEK851. . . . . . . . . .YVR - PEK3
17.NYC - ICN832. . . . . . . . . .YYZ - HKG3
18.LAX - PVG815. . . . . . . . . .HNL - ICN3
19.HNL - ICN813. . . . . . . . . .LAX - AKL3
20.LAX - HKG764. . . . . . . . . .YVR - TYO2
21.SFO - TPE715. . . . . . . . . .SEA - ICN2
22.LAX - MEL706. . . . . . . . . .ORD - PVG2
23.SFO - PEK654. . . . . . . . . .ORD - PEK2
24.HNL - KIX640. . . . . . . . . .LAX - HKG2
25.NYC - PEK620. . . . . . . . . .HNL - SYD2
26.ORD - PEK617. . . . . . . . . .NYC - PEK2
27.NYC - PVG596. . . . . . . . . .DFW - TYO2
28.YVR - TPE594. . . . . . . . . .LAX - MEL2
29.HNL - SYD556. . . . . . . . . .NYC - PVG2
30.SEA - ICN551. . . . . . . . . .HNL - KIX2
31.SEA - TYO550. . . . . . . . . .YVR - ICN2
32.YVR - PVG511. . . . . . . . . .WAS - TYO2
33.YVR - TYO502. . . . . . . . . .YVR - PVG2
34.ORD - PVG495. . . . . . . . . .SFO - TPE2
35.DFW - TYO486. . . . . . . . . .SEA - TYO2
36.YVR - ICN472. . . . . . . . . .SFO - PEK2
37.WAS - TYO469. . . . . . . . . .YVR - TPE2
38.LAX - NAN458. . . . . . . . . .HNL - NGO2


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Top airlines

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.UA5.886. . . . . . . . . .UA19
2.DL5.853. . . . . . . . . .DL19
3.KE4.728. . . . . . . . . .KE17
4.CX4.193. . . . . . . . . .AC11
5.AC3.104. . . . . . . . . .CX11
6.JL2.774. . . . . . . . . .JL11
7.BR1.908. . . . . . . . . .NH8
8.CI1.864. . . . . . . . . .AA7
9.NH1.766. . . . . . . . . .BR6
10.QF1.714. . . . . . . . . .CO6
11.AA1.701. . . . . . . . . .SQ5
12.CO1.636. . . . . . . . . .OZ5
13.OZ1.579. . . . . . . . . .CA5
14.CA1.406. . . . . . . . . .CI5
15.SQ1.227. . . . . . . . . .QF5
16.NZ1.021. . . . . . . . . .HA4
17.HA1.012. . . . . . . . . .MU3
18.MU940. . . . . . . . . .NZ3
19.VA726. . . . . . . . . .PR2
20.FJ620. . . . . . . . . .VA2
21.TN588. . . . . . . . . .TN2
22.PR528. . . . . . . . . .FJ2
23.JQ303. . . . . . . . . .JQ1
24.CZ284. . . . . . . . . .CZ1
25.MH282. . . . . . . . . .TG1
26.LA264. . . . . . . . . .LA1
27.AF264. . . . . . . . . .MH1
28.TG215. . . . . . . . . .AM1
29.AM181. . . . . . . . . .AF1


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Top country pairs

By seats offered. . . . . . . . . .By flights offered
1.USA - Japan13.482. . . . . . . . . .USA - Japan49
2.USA - China10.096. . . . . . . . . .USA - China32
3.USA - South Korea6.732. . . . . . . . . .USA - South Korea23
4.Canada - China4.125. . . . . . . . . .Canada - China13
5.USA - Australia3.785. . . . . . . . . .USA - Australia11
6.USA - Taiwan2.745. . . . . . . . . .USA - Taiwan8
7.USA - New Zealand1.256. . . . . . . . . .Canada - Japan4
8.Canada - Japan1.062. . . . . . . . . .USA - New Zealand4
9.Canada - Taiwan912. . . . . . . . . .USA - French Polynesia3
10.USA - French Polynesia852. . . . . . . . . .Canada - South Korea3
11.Canada - South Korea733. . . . . . . . . .Canada - Taiwan3
12.USA - Fiji458. . . . . . . . . .USA - Singapore2
13.Canada - Australia270. . . . . . . . . .Canada - Australia1
14.USA - Philippines264. . . . . . . . . .Canada - Philippines1
15.Canada - Philippines264. . . . . . . . . .Chile - New Zealand1
16.Chile - New Zealand264. . . . . . . . . .USA - Fiji1
17.USA - Guam256. . . . . . . . . .USA - American Samoa1
18.USA - American Samoa253. . . . . . . . . .USA - Thailand1
19.USA - Thailand215. . . . . . . . . .USA - Guam1
20.USA - Singapore200. . . . . . . . . .USA - Philippines1
21.Mexico - Japan181. . . . . . . . . .USA - Kiribati1
22.USA - Kiribati162. . . . . . . . . .Mexico - Japan1


Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 10):
Are large numbers of these passengers connecting to other South Pacific islands or to Australia/New Zealand?

Can't answer your question, but I noticed another interesting flight operating once weekly (Sundays, hence not in my list) :

Air New Zealand NZ19 from LAX to RAR (Rarotonga) (continuing to AKL).

Here's another piece of trivia :

7 flights from the list are numbered "1" :

Air Canada AC1 : YYZ-NRT
Eva Air BR1 : LAX-TPE
Continental CO1 : HNL-GUM
Japan Airlines JL1 : SFO-HND
ANA NH1 : IAD-NRT
Air New Zealand NZ1 : LAX-AKL
Singapore Airlines SQ1 : SFO-HKG(-SIN)

In addition, some other #1 flights operate eastbound :

V Australia VA1 : SYD-LAX
Korean Air KE1 : (ICN-)NRT-LAX

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 12):
but I noticed another interesting flight operating once weekly (Sundays, hence not in my list) :

Air New Zealand NZ19 from LAX to RAR (Rarotonga) (continuing to AKL).

RAR could possibly be the smallest airport (in annual passenger volume) that has long-haul passenger flights from the continental United States. It is interesting that, despite its name, Rarotonga is not in the country of Tonga but is in the Cook Islands.

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 12):

Here's another piece of trivia :

7 flights from the list are numbered "1" :

Air Canada AC1 : YYZ-NRT
Eva Air BR1 : LAX-TPE
Continental CO1 : HNL-GUM
Japan Airlines JL1 : SFO-HND
ANA NH1 : IAD-NRT
Air New Zealand NZ1 : LAX-AKL
Singapore Airlines SQ1 : SFO-HKG(-SIN)

In addition, some other #1 flights operate eastbound :

V Australia VA1 : SYD-LAX
Korean Air KE1 : (ICN-)NRT-LAX

I checked the transatlantic list for comparison and found only 2 eastbound flight #1's:

DL JFK-LHR
AM MEX-MAD

but found 6 westbound flight #1's:

VS LHR-EWR
EC ORY-EWR
TK IST-JFK
BA LCY-SNN-JFK
LY TLV-JFK
NZ LHR-LAX (on both lists)

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 10):
LAX-NAN on FJ has the second highest number of estimated available seats (458 on a high density 744) of any individual flight on the list. It appears that this route is operated 5 times per week in July. Are large numbers of these passengers connecting to other South Pacific islands or to Australia/New Zealand?

I did some research and found that the only decent non-Fiji connections for the Air Pacific LAX-NAN flight on July 5th are BNE, SYD, and AKL. None of their South Pacific destinations have workable connections for that day's flight. In addition, the pricing to BNE, SYD, and AKL was no less than on other airlines' nonstops from LAX to those cities. So, perhaps the vast majority of passengers on LAX-NAN are not connecting beyond NAN.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

QF also operates A380 on LAX-MEL city-pair.

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 10):
It appears that this route is operated 5 times per week in July. Are large numbers of these passengers connecting to other South Pacific islands or to Australia/New Zealand?

FJ has succesfully in the past sold through passengers to Aus/NZ (often at good discounts via consolidators) however now with all the added capacity in the nonstop market their appeal has dropped significantly.

Also FJ has been facing other political and economic issues which has seen traffic decline and led the once daily LAX service drop to as low as 4x weekly this winter. FJ only last week announced they would be firing more employees next month to try to get a handle on the continued red ink.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Thread starter):
Top aicraft types :

1. B777 76
2. B747 35
3. B767 22
4. A330 11
5. A340 11
6. A380 2
7. B737 1

Just a comment, while the number of A380 flights is correct for the stated day, there are 3 A380 flight in that week as LAX-MEL is operated 4 days a week by A380, just not Tuesdays (yet!)

Gemuser



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