BrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 598 posts, RR: 5 Posted (2 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2808 times:
This thread contains a simple, non professional analysis of (westbound) Transpacific flights for an arbitrary day of the Summer 2011 schedule. The day chosen is Tuesday, July 5, 2011.
In this thread, a Transpacific flight is arbitrarily defined as a flight originating from one country from the 'East' country list, and arriving in one country from the 'West' country list. For multiple stops flights, only the transpacific portion is considered. ONLY WESTBOUND FLIGHTS ARE CONSIDERED IN THIS THREAD. Full cargo flights are NOT considered.
'East' countries : Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile (including Easter island), Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador (including Galapagos), El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vicent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, United States (including Hawaii), Uruguay, Venezuela.
'West' countries : American Samoa, Australia, Brunei, Cambodia, China (including Hong Kong), Cook Islands, East Timor, Fiji, French Polynesia, Guam, Indonesia, Japan, Kiribati, Macau, North Korea, South Korea, Malaysia, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Niue, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Pitcairn Islands, Samoa, Singapore, Solomons Islands, Taiwan, Thailand, Tokelau, Tonga, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Vietnam, Wallis and Futuna.
I tried to list all transpacific flights operating on July 5, 2011. I don't mean to have them all, especially for charter-like airlines. You are welcome to indicate missing flights. By chosing that particular day, some flights operating on a less than weekly basis are NOT included (e.g. YVR-AKL (NZ), SEA-TPE (BR), LAX-RAR (NZ), EZE-AKL (AR), HNL-MAJ (CO), ...). Also, some airlines might operate radically different schedules depending on the day of the week.
The number of seats offered is based on seat plans published by airlines / other websites. This figure is approximate because different cabin configurations can exist for a single aicraft/airline combination, and because airlines do not always indicate the exact version of the aircraft used (e.g. A330-200 or A330-300).
> Total transpacific westbound flights : 158
> Total transpacific westbound seats offered : 46.653
Top departure metro areas :
.
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
LAX
13.779
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX
45
2.
SFO
6.724
. . . . . . . . . .
HNL
24
3.
HNL
6.516
. . . . . . . . . .
SFO
21
4.
YVR
4.574
. . . . . . . . . .
YVR
16
5.
NYC
4.090
. . . . . . . . . .
NYC
14
6.
ORD
2.803
. . . . . . . . . .
ORD
10
7.
YYZ
2.581
. . . . . . . . . .
YYZ
8
8.
SEA
1.533
. . . . . . . . . .
SEA
6
9.
DTW
1.074
. . . . . . . . . .
DFW
3
10.
DFW
819
. . . . . . . . . .
DTW
3
11.
ATL
609
. . . . . . . . . .
ATL
2
12.
MSP
403
. . . . . . . . . .
IAH
1
13.
IAH
276
. . . . . . . . . .
MSP
1
14.
SCL
264
. . . . . . . . . .
PDX
1
15.
PDX
216
. . . . . . . . . .
SCL
1
16.
YYC
211
. . . . . . . . . .
TIJ
1
17.
TIJ
181
. . . . . . . . . .
YYC
1
- Top destination metro areas :
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
TYO
12.947
. . . . . . . . . .
TYO
47
2.
ICN
7.204
. . . . . . . . . .
ICN
25
3.
HKG
6.114
. . . . . . . . . .
HKG
17
4.
TPE
3.657
. . . . . . . . . .
PEK
11
5.
PEK
3.243
. . . . . . . . . .
PVG
11
6.
PVG
3.144
. . . . . . . . . .
TPE
11
7.
SYD
3.006
. . . . . . . . . .
SYD
9
8.
AKL
1.520
. . . . . . . . . .
AKL
5
9.
KIX
1.108
. . . . . . . . . .
KIX
4
10.
PPT
852
. . . . . . . . . .
PPT
3
11.
MEL
706
. . . . . . . . . .
MEL
2
12.
MNL
528
. . . . . . . . . .
MNL
2
13.
NAN
458
. . . . . . . . . .
NGO
2
14.
NGO
453
. . . . . . . . . .
SIN
2
15.
BNE
343
. . . . . . . . . .
BKK
1
16.
CAN
284
. . . . . . . . . .
BNE
1
17.
GUM
256
. . . . . . . . . .
CAN
1
18.
PPG
253
. . . . . . . . . .
CXI
1
19.
BKK
215
. . . . . . . . . .
GUM
1
20.
SIN
200
. . . . . . . . . .
NAN
1
21.
CXI
162
. . . . . . . . . .
PPG
1
- Top departure airports :
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
LAX
13.779
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX
45
2.
SFO
6.724
. . . . . . . . . .
HNL
24
3.
HNL
6.516
. . . . . . . . . .
SFO
21
4.
YVR
4.574
. . . . . . . . . .
YVR
16
5.
JFK
2.886
. . . . . . . . . .
ORD
10
6.
ORD
2.803
. . . . . . . . . .
JFK
9
7.
YYZ
2.581
. . . . . . . . . .
YYZ
8
8.
SEA
1.533
. . . . . . . . . .
SEA
6
9.
EWR
1.204
. . . . . . . . . .
EWR
5
10.
DTW
1.074
. . . . . . . . . .
DFW
3
11.
DFW
819
. . . . . . . . . .
DTW
3
12.
ATL
609
. . . . . . . . . .
ATL
2
13.
MSP
403
. . . . . . . . . .
IAH
1
14.
IAH
276
. . . . . . . . . .
MSP
1
15.
SCL
264
. . . . . . . . . .
PDX
1
16.
PDX
216
. . . . . . . . . .
SCL
1
17.
YYC
211
. . . . . . . . . .
TIJ
1
18.
TIJ
181
. . . . . . . . . .
YYC
1
-
- Top destination airports :
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
NRT
11.457
. . . . . . . . . .
NRT
41
2.
ICN
7.204
. . . . . . . . . .
ICN
25
3.
HKG
6.114
. . . . . . . . . .
HKG
17
4.
TPE
3.657
. . . . . . . . . .
PEK
11
5.
PEK
3.243
. . . . . . . . . .
PVG
11
6.
PVG
3.144
. . . . . . . . . .
TPE
11
7.
SYD
3.006
. . . . . . . . . .
SYD
9
8.
AKL
1.520
. . . . . . . . . .
HND
6
9.
HND
1.490
. . . . . . . . . .
AKL
5
10.
KIX
1.108
. . . . . . . . . .
KIX
4
11.
PPT
852
. . . . . . . . . .
PPT
3
12.
MEL
706
. . . . . . . . . .
MEL
2
13.
MNL
528
. . . . . . . . . .
MNL
2
14.
NAN
458
. . . . . . . . . .
NGO
2
15.
NGO
453
. . . . . . . . . .
SIN
2
16.
BNE
343
. . . . . . . . . .
BKK
1
17.
CAN
284
. . . . . . . . . .
BNE
1
18.
GUM
256
. . . . . . . . . .
CAN
1
19.
PPG
253
. . . . . . . . . .
CXI
1
20.
BKK
215
. . . . . . . . . .
GUM
1
21.
SIN
200
. . . . . . . . . .
NAN
1
22.
CXI
162
. . . . . . . . . .
PPG
1
- Top 30 city (metro areas) pairs :
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
HNL - TYO
3.119
. . . . . . . . . .
HNL - TYO
11
2.
LAX - TYO
2.464
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX - TYO
9
3.
LAX - TPE
2.030
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX - ICN
6
4.
LAX - SYD
1.806
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX - TPE
6
5.
LAX - ICN
1.785
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX - SYD
5
6.
NYC - HKG
1.422
. . . . . . . . . .
SFO - TYO
5
7.
SFO - HKG
1.410
. . . . . . . . . .
NYC - HKG
4
8.
SFO - TYO
1.343
. . . . . . . . . .
NYC - TYO
4
9.
SFO - ICN
1.223
. . . . . . . . . .
ORD - TYO
4
10.
NYC - TYO
1.184
. . . . . . . . . .
SFO - HKG
4
11.
YVR - HKG
1.110
. . . . . . . . . .
SFO - ICN
4
12.
YYZ - HKG
1.034
. . . . . . . . . .
HNL - ICN
3
13.
ORD - TYO
984
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX - AKL
3
14.
LAX - AKL
877
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX - PPT
3
15.
LAX - PPT
852
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX - PVG
3
16.
YVR - PEK
851
. . . . . . . . . .
NYC - ICN
3
17.
NYC - ICN
832
. . . . . . . . . .
YVR - HKG
3
18.
LAX - PVG
815
. . . . . . . . . .
YVR - PEK
3
19.
HNL - ICN
813
. . . . . . . . . .
YYZ - HKG
3
20.
LAX - HKG
764
. . . . . . . . . .
DFW - TYO
2
21.
SFO - TPE
715
. . . . . . . . . .
HNL - KIX
2
22.
LAX - MEL
706
. . . . . . . . . .
HNL - NGO
2
23.
SFO - PEK
654
. . . . . . . . . .
HNL - SYD
2
24.
HNL - KIX
640
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX - HKG
2
25.
ORD - PEK
617
. . . . . . . . . .
LAX - MEL
2
26.
YVR - TPE
594
. . . . . . . . . .
ORD - PEK
2
27.
HNL - SYD
556
. . . . . . . . . .
ORD - PVG
2
28.
SEA - ICN
551
. . . . . . . . . .
SEA - ICN
2
29.
SEA - TYO
550
. . . . . . . . . .
SEA - TYO
2
30.
YVR - PVG
511
. . . . . . . . . .
SFO - PEK
2
- Top airlines :
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
DL
5.585
. . . . . . . . . .
DL
18
2.
UA
5.382
. . . . . . . . . .
UA
17
3.
KE
4.467
. . . . . . . . . .
KE
16
4.
CX
4.193
. . . . . . . . . .
AC
11
5.
AC
3.104
. . . . . . . . . .
CX
11
6.
JL
2.774
. . . . . . . . . .
JL
11
7.
BR
1.908
. . . . . . . . . .
AA
7
8.
CI
1.864
. . . . . . . . . .
NH
7
9.
QF
1.714
. . . . . . . . . .
BR
6
10.
AA
1.701
. . . . . . . . . .
CO
6
11.
CO
1.636
. . . . . . . . . .
CI
5
12.
OZ
1.579
. . . . . . . . . .
OZ
5
13.
NH
1.549
. . . . . . . . . .
QF
5
14.
SQ
1.227
. . . . . . . . . .
SQ
5
15.
CA
1.062
. . . . . . . . . .
CA
4
16.
NZ
1.021
. . . . . . . . . .
HA
4
17.
HA
1.012
. . . . . . . . . .
NZ
3
18.
VA
726
. . . . . . . . . .
FJ
2
19.
FJ
620
. . . . . . . . . .
MU
2
20.
MU
620
. . . . . . . . . .
PR
2
21.
TN
588
. . . . . . . . . .
TN
2
22.
PR
528
. . . . . . . . . .
VA
2
23.
JQ
303
. . . . . . . . . .
AF
1
24.
CZ
284
. . . . . . . . . .
AM
1
25.
MH
282
. . . . . . . . . .
CZ
1
26.
AF
264
. . . . . . . . . .
JQ
1
27.
LA
264
. . . . . . . . . .
LA
1
28.
TG
215
. . . . . . . . . .
MH
1
29.
AM
181
. . . . . . . . . .
TG
1
-
- Top global alliances :
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
Star
18.467
. . . . . . . . . .
Star
64
2.
SkyTeam
13.481
. . . . . . . . . .
SkyTeam
45
3.
OneWorld
10.949
. . . . . . . . . .
OneWorld
36
4.
(No alliance)
3.756
. . . . . . . . . .
(No alliance)
13
-
- Top departure countries :
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
USA
38.842
. . . . . . . . . .
USA
131
2.
Canada
7.366
. . . . . . . . . .
Canada
25
3.
Chile
264
. . . . . . . . . .
Chile
1
4.
Mexico
181
. . . . . . . . . .
Mexico
1
-
- Top destination countries :
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
Japan
14.508
. . . . . . . . . .
Japan
53
2.
China
12.785
. . . . . . . . . .
China
40
3.
South Korea
7.204
. . . . . . . . . .
South Korea
25
4.
Australia
4.055
. . . . . . . . . .
Australia
12
5.
Taiwan
3.657
. . . . . . . . . .
Taiwan
11
6.
New Zealand
1.520
. . . . . . . . . .
New Zealand
5
7.
French Polynesia
852
. . . . . . . . . .
French Polynesia
3
8.
Philippines
528
. . . . . . . . . .
Philippines
2
9.
Fiji
458
. . . . . . . . . .
Singapore
2
10.
Guam
256
. . . . . . . . . .
American Samoa
1
11.
American Samoa
253
. . . . . . . . . .
Fiji
1
12.
Thailand
215
. . . . . . . . . .
Guam
1
13.
Singapore
200
. . . . . . . . . .
Kiribati
1
14.
Kiribati
162
. . . . . . . . . .
Thailand
1
-
- Top country pairs :
By seats offered
. . . . . . . . . .
By flights offered
1.
USA-Japan
13.265
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-Japan
48
2.
USA-China
8.660
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-China
27
3.
USA-South Korea
6.471
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-South Korea
22
4.
Canada-China
4.125
. . . . . . . . . .
Canada-China
13
5.
USA-Australia
3.785
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-Australia
11
6.
USA-Taiwan
2.745
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-Taiwan
8
7.
USA-New Zealand
1.256
. . . . . . . . . .
Canada-Japan
4
8.
Canada-Japan
1.062
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-New Zealand
4
9.
Canada-Taiwan
912
. . . . . . . . . .
Canada-South Korea
3
10.
USA-French Polynesia
852
. . . . . . . . . .
Canada-Taiwan
3
11.
Canada-South Korea
733
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-French Polynesia
3
12.
USA-Fiji
458
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-Singapore
2
13.
Canada-Australia
270
. . . . . . . . . .
Canada-Australia
1
14.
Canada-Philippines
264
. . . . . . . . . .
Canada-Philippines
1
15.
Chile-New Zealand
264
. . . . . . . . . .
Chile-New Zealand
1
16.
USA-Philippines
264
. . . . . . . . . .
Mexico-Japan
1
17.
USA-Guam
256
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-American Samoa
1
18.
USA-American Samoa
253
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-Fiji
1
19.
USA-Thailand
215
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-Guam
1
20.
USA-Singapore
200
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-Kiribati
1
21.
Mexico-Japan
181
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-Philippines
1
22.
USA-Kiribati
162
. . . . . . . . . .
USA-Thailand
1
- Top aicraft types :
1.
B777
76
2.
B747
35
3.
B767
22
4.
A330
11
5.
A340
11
6.
A380
2
7.
B737
1
-
_ A couple observations
- On the 'East' side, more than 80% of all transpacific originate/terminate in the US. With USA and Canada together, the proportion becomes 99% !
- The Boeing 777 (all versions) is the king of the pacific, operating almost 1 out of 2 flights. In the North Atlantic thread, the 767 was the winner, but with only 26% of flights. The 777 was third at 17%.
- Two flights are operated by an A380, both from LAX : LAX-NRT by SQ (continuing to SIN), and LAX-SYD by QF.
- Transpacific flights as defined in this thread represent about one third of North Atlantic flights as defined in my other thread (flights and seats wise).
- In terms of seats offered, LAX is by far the largest gateway on the 'East' side, while on the 'West' side, Tokyo is the clear winner (NRT in particular).
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2786 times:
Thanks for another fascinating analysis! Great job! The graphs are a nice touch.
It is interesting to compare the Transpacific data with the North Atlantic data from the other thread. A few observations...
Of the top 30 departure metro areas on the North Atlantic list, only 4 have more transpacific seats than North Atlantic seats:
LAX 13,779 vs. 5964
SFO 6724 vs. 4390
YVR 4574 vs. 1949
SEA 1533 vs. 1521 (6 flights to each)
Although it is certainly not in the top 30 departure metro areas on the North Atlantic list, it is interesting that PDX has 1 transpacific and 1 North Atlantic flight.
Here is a combined list of the top 20 destination metro areas from both lists. Interestingly, 7 transpacific destinations are on this list:
LON 37,034
PAR 21,207
FRA 15,512
TYO 12,947
AMS 11,305
MAD 7,325
ICN 7,204
HKG 6,114
FCO 5,219
MUC 4,195
ZRH 3,741
TPE 3,657
TLV 3,573
PEK 3,243
DUB 3,176
PVG 3,144
SYD 3,006
MAN 2,953
BRU 2,890
MOW 1,960
BrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 598 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2752 times:
As BNAOWB pointed out by PM, I somehow forgot IAD in my list. The following flights should thus be added :
IAD - PEK / UA 897 / 772 / 252 seats / Star Alliance
IAD - NRT / UA 803 / 772 / 252 seats / Star Alliance
IAD - NRT / NH 1 / 772 / 217 seats / Star Alliance
IAD - ICN / KE 97 / 77W / 216 seats / SkyTeam
New totals :
> Total transpacific westbound flights : 162
> Total transpacific westbound seats offered : 47.590
With 937 seats, IAD ranks 10th (instead of DFW) for departure metro areas (seats) and 9th for flights.
Other rankings remain valid, except for airlines, where a few changes occur, including first rank : UA becomes first (DL becomes second) both in terms of seats or flights. NH becomes 12th instead of 13th in terms of seats, and 7th instead of 8th in terms of flights (overtaking AA).
Thanks BNAOWB for pointing that out (somehow I knew you'd check the data thoroughly ).
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 1): Of the top 30 departure metro areas on the North Atlantic list, only 4 have more transpacific seats than North Atlantic seats:
LAX 13,779 vs. 5964
SFO 6724 vs. 4390
YVR 4574 vs. 1949
SEA 1533 vs. 1521 (6 flights to each)
Makes sense as those are all West coast cities, having a better location for onward connections (US/Canada) for passengers arriving from Asia. On the other side, Eastern cities are better suited for connections for passengers arriving from Europe.
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 1): Here is a combined list of the top 20 destination metro areas from both lists. Interestingly, 7 transpacific destinations are on this list:
Thanks for that. It strikes me that there are so much more seats to Europe than to Asia from North America (in terms of non-stop flights, of course, as the actual pax traffic is probably very different, taking connections into account).
For example, the number of seats offered on direct flights from North America to PEK is similar to DUB. Another example is SYD compared to MAN or BRU.
It would be interesting to know about the actual traffic patterns for example from Eastern US cities to China. At first sight, I would think it would be more logical to connect through a West coast city, than via Europe. However, calculating great circle distances gives the following figures :
JFK-PEK direct : 6 837 miles
JFK-FRA-PEK : 8 708 miles
JFK-SFO-PEK : 8 499 miles
So it's only marginally longer in terms of distance via Europe than via a West coast hub. I don't know the proportion of North American pax who travel eastbound to Asia, instead of westbound.
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2726 times:
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 2): For example, the number of seats offered on direct flights from North America to PEK is similar to DUB. Another example is SYD compared to MAN or BRU.
Since PEK and SYD are such high profile airports, I would have thought that there are far more seats to PEK than to DUB and far more seats to SYD than to MAN.
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 2): It would be interesting to know about the actual traffic patterns for example from Eastern US cities to China. At first sight, I would think it would be more logical to connect through a West coast city, than via Europe. However, calculating great circle distances gives the following figures :
JFK-PEK direct : 6 837 miles
JFK-FRA-PEK : 8 708 miles
JFK-SFO-PEK : 8 499 miles
So it's only marginally longer in terms of distance via Europe than via a West coast hub. I don't know the proportion of North American pax who travel eastbound to Asia, instead of westbound.
While I don't know the numbers, for those passengers not flying nonstop between JFK and PEK, a much more attractive routing would be through DTW or ORD:
JFK-DTW-PEK 7140 miles
JFK-ORD-PEK 7319 miles
Comparing flight durations:
JFK-DTW-PEK 19:15 on DL
JFK-SFO-PEK 20:20 on UA.
JFK-FRA-PEK 20:45 on LH/CA
For an Eastern U.S. city without a PEK nonstop such as ATL, a connection in DTW or ORD adds almost no mileage and is more direct than connecting in Asia:
ATL-PEK 7185 miles
ATL-ORD-PEK 7185 miles
ATL-DTW-PEK 7226 miles
ATL-ICN-PEK 7714 miles
ATL-NRT-PEK 8180 miles
BrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 598 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2722 times:
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 3): a much more attractive routing would be through DTW or ORD
You are absolutely right, but the point I'm trying to make is : why so few seats offered from North America to, as you rightfully say, high profile destinations such as PEK, PVG, ... ? Are there more (business or O&D) ties between North Am and DUB than between North Am and PEK ? Are ties between North America and SYD of the same kind of importance as between North America and BRU ? So I was wondering whether those figures might be biased by a significant number of America - Asia pax transiting via Europe rather than via an American gateway ?
yeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 790 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2701 times:
Thanks for your analysis; its appreciated BrusselsSouth: an interesting snapshot in time!
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 4): Are there more.. ties between North Am and DUB than between North Am and PEK ?
European/N. American cultural ties, including business and family ties, plus high levels of tourism and many years of air route development have gone into these EU - N. Am aviation relationships, so I would answer in the affirmative!
It would be interesting to do a comparison of your posting to one done in five years and ten years. I would expect then we'd see the asian routes exhibiting a greater rate of growth in flights and seats than the European routes during the same time.
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 4): I was wondering whether those figures might be biased by a significant number of America - Asia pax transiting via Europe rather than via an American gateway ?
I'll go out on a limb: I would expect not. Transiting via Europe to India from N. America is one thing; going via Europe to China or Japan for example, even from the East coast is less likely I should think than flying nonstop or transiting via the midwest or even the west coast, so I don't think you'd find a great amount passengers hidden there.
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2700 times:
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 4): So I was wondering whether those figures might be biased by a significant number of America - Asia pax transiting via Europe rather than via an American gateway ?
Quoting yeogeo (Reply 5): I would expect not. Transiting via Europe to India from N. America is one thing; going via Europe to China or Japan for example, even from the East coast is less likely I should think than flying nonstop or transiting via the midwest or even the west coast, so I don't think you'd find a great amount passengers hidden there.
My guess is also no. Another factor is that the early arrival times in Europe of most flights from North America (6:00-11:00) are not well timed for connections to East Asia. Using PEK as the destination, here are the earliest departure times to PEK from the top 4 European hubs on July 6th:
LHR (16:45 on BA)
CDG (13:45 on AF - not bad)
FRA (14:50 on CA)
AMS (17:35 on KL)
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 6): My guess is also no. Another factor is that the early arrival times in Europe of most flights from North America (6:00-11:00) are not well timed for connections to East Asia. Using PEK as the destination, here are the earliest departure times to PEK from the top 4 European hubs on July 6th:
LHR (16:45 on BA)
CDG (13:45 on AF - not bad)
FRA (14:50 on CA)
AMS (17:35 on KL)
However to various other points in Asia there are quite a few flights that make reasonably good connections with many flights from North America. Examples of some of the earlier departures from Europe:
bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5975 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2665 times:
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 3): Since PEK and SYD are such high profile airports, I would have thought that there are far more seats to PEK than to DUB and far more seats to SYD than to MAN.
What is a high profile airport in your opinion? Don't quite understand that term in light of rhe airlines offering more seats to DUB and MAN, than to SYD and PEK.
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7): However to various other points in Asia there are quite a few flights that make reasonably good connections with many flights from North America
Thanks for that list. So, do you think that a significant percentage of the Eastern U.S. to East Asia market transits through Europe?
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8): What is a high profile airport in your opinion? Don't quite understand that term in light of rhe airlines offering more seats to DUB and MAN, than to SYD and PEK.
I agree that the term "high profile airport" is not possible to quantify. My intention was that PEK and SYD have considerably larger annual passenger volumes (roughly 74 million and 35 million respectively) than MAN and DUB (about 18 million each). Of course, larger annual passenger volumes do not automatically translate into larger demand from North America.
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2555 times:
It is interesting that LAX-NAN on FJ has the second highest number of estimated available seats (458 on a high density 744) of any individual flight on the list. It appears that this route is operated 5 times per week in July. Are large numbers of these passengers connecting to other South Pacific islands or to Australia/New Zealand?
Also, here are 3 more transpacific flights that operate July 5th for the list:
BrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 598 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 day ago) and read 2490 times:
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 10): Also, here are 3 more transpacific flights that operate July 5th for the list:
Thank you for those additions. The list should be fairly complete by now. By the way, I have updated the PDF list behind the link in the OP to include the missing flights.
BrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 598 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (2 years 23 hours ago) and read 2487 times:
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 10): Are large numbers of these passengers connecting to other South Pacific islands or to Australia/New Zealand?
Can't answer your question, but I noticed another interesting flight operating once weekly (Sundays, hence not in my list) :
Air New Zealand NZ19 from LAX to RAR (Rarotonga) (continuing to AKL).
Here's another piece of trivia :
7 flights from the list are numbered "1" :
Air Canada AC1 : YYZ-NRT
Eva Air BR1 : LAX-TPE
Continental CO1 : HNL-GUM
Japan Airlines JL1 : SFO-HND
ANA NH1 : IAD-NRT
Air New Zealand NZ1 : LAX-AKL
Singapore Airlines SQ1 : SFO-HKG(-SIN)
In addition, some other #1 flights operate eastbound :
V Australia VA1 : SYD-LAX
Korean Air KE1 : (ICN-)NRT-LAX
BNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 349 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 12): but I noticed another interesting flight operating once weekly (Sundays, hence not in my list) :
Air New Zealand NZ19 from LAX to RAR (Rarotonga) (continuing to AKL).
RAR could possibly be the smallest airport (in annual passenger volume) that has long-haul passenger flights from the continental United States. It is interesting that, despite its name, Rarotonga is not in the country of Tonga but is in the Cook Islands.
Air Canada AC1 : YYZ-NRT
Eva Air BR1 : LAX-TPE
Continental CO1 : HNL-GUM
Japan Airlines JL1 : SFO-HND
ANA NH1 : IAD-NRT
Air New Zealand NZ1 : LAX-AKL
Singapore Airlines SQ1 : SFO-HKG(-SIN)
In addition, some other #1 flights operate eastbound :
V Australia VA1 : SYD-LAX
Korean Air KE1 : (ICN-)NRT-LAX
I checked the transatlantic list for comparison and found only 2 eastbound flight #1's:
DL JFK-LHR
AM MEX-MAD
but found 6 westbound flight #1's:
VS LHR-EWR
EC ORY-EWR
TK IST-JFK
BA LCY-SNN-JFK
LY TLV-JFK
NZ LHR-LAX (on both lists)
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 10): LAX-NAN on FJ has the second highest number of estimated available seats (458 on a high density 744) of any individual flight on the list. It appears that this route is operated 5 times per week in July. Are large numbers of these passengers connecting to other South Pacific islands or to Australia/New Zealand?
I did some research and found that the only decent non-Fiji connections for the Air Pacific LAX-NAN flight on July 5th are BNE, SYD, and AKL. None of their South Pacific destinations have workable connections for that day's flight. In addition, the pricing to BNE, SYD, and AKL was no less than on other airlines' nonstops from LAX to those cities. So, perhaps the vast majority of passengers on LAX-NAN are not connecting beyond NAN.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22028 posts, RR: 51 Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
QF also operates A380 on LAX-MEL city-pair.
Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 10): It appears that this route is operated 5 times per week in July. Are large numbers of these passengers connecting to other South Pacific islands or to Australia/New Zealand?
FJ has succesfully in the past sold through passengers to Aus/NZ (often at good discounts via consolidators) however now with all the added capacity in the nonstop market their appeal has dropped significantly.
Also FJ has been facing other political and economic issues which has seen traffic decline and led the once daily LAX service drop to as low as 4x weekly this winter. FJ only last week announced they would be firing more employees next month to try to get a handle on the continued red ink.
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Just a comment, while the number of A380 flights is correct for the stated day, there are 3 A380 flight in that week as LAX-MEL is operated 4 days a week by A380, just not Tuesdays (yet!)
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