philpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 11 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4381 times:
Anyone have experience fllying from LAX to Sydney on Delta's 777-200LR in either BusinessElite or Coach? I want to use Alaska FF miles on either Delta or Qantas. This may be a no brainer given A380 service on Qantas. Of course, FF seats may not be readily available even a full year out.
Aflyingkiwi From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 506 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4344 times:
If you have the choice of flying QF or DL, definately choose QF but DL do have a pretty decent product on the route. In coach DL have a 31-32' inch pitch + a pretty decent AVOD. Also they're 9 abreast which is becoming increasingly important as many carriers choose to go 10 abreast on their 777's.
In BusinessElite, DL have the herringbone layout which is very private and very comfortable in the lie-flat position though be aware that the window seats face towards the aisle so it is pretty awkward to look out of the window.
philpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 11 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4293 times:
Thanks for the link to the Delta 777-200LR trip report. Very descriptive and helpful! I've flown to Australia and New Zealand on 747-400s on United, Qantas, and Air New Zealand. These were before Delta entered the LAX-Sydney market. Of the three Air New Zealand was my favorite: Very decent legroom in coach, fantastic (and attractive) cabin crew, and great New Zealand wine.
Trying Qantas' A380 service sounds most compelling. The idea of premium economy or business class on an A380 has me salivating. Anyone had an opportunity to try this?
BD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 657 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4260 times:
I've flown LAX-SYD on DL in coach. I was a bit surprised to be honest, more comfortable than I was expecting. Good selection of movies and TV on demand. Food was average DL fare, nothing to write home about but OK though they do serve VB. Pillow is the usual flimsy thin DL effort. It didn't really feel like a 14 hour flight at the end which must say something.
I've also flown QF in Y. Booked on the A380 but it was subbed at the last moment with a 747. Similar comfort/movies to DL, can't recall the meals (I assume average ) QF did have a 'goodie bag' even for those in coach that had earplugs, nightshades and snacks which was a nice touch. Pillow was much thicker and comfortable than DL.
can you use AS miles on VA? I've heard good reports about the service on their 777 service from LAX to SYD, I might give them a go next time.
Kaphias From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4241 times:
Quoting BD338 (Reply 3): can you use AS miles on VA? I've heard good reports about the service on their 777 service from LAX to SYD, I might give them a go next time.
I don't believe you can.
I've been doing some research myself on this route as my family and I will be using Alaska Airlines FF miles to fly to Brisbane sometime in the next year. I've found Qantas to be the better of the two airlines; plus I really want to try and fly the A380 one way and the 747 the other. Good luck with your research and enjoy your trip!
philpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 11 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4212 times:
My final destination is actually Perth. So it would make more sense to take Qantas all the way from LAX with a transfer in either Sydney or Melbourne (and use a zillion FF miles), though a change to VA would certainly be doable. I might pay for one segment and use AS FF miles for the other.
On the other hand I could fly Delta and earn AS FF miles! What a calculation.
alaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 901 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4171 times:
Quoting philpdx (Reply 5): I might pay for one segment and use AS FF miles for the other.
On the other hand I could fly Delta and earn AS FF miles! What a calculation
Just to let you know, you can only fly round trip using AS miles on partners.
I fly between the US and Aussie/NZ at least once a year.
I've flown CX, QF, NZ, and DL on this route. (i'm an AS MVPG and try to keep with their partners)
For first class CX wins (... now a days QF doesn't offer many F mileage seats during peak times like they use to... or J for that matter- between myself and family / colleagues I usually end up buying at least 6 tickets mileage tickets a year on this route (we have an AS corporate bulk purchasing account) and have seen a steady decline - but if it's off peak you might have better luck! and yesterday I managed to get two business class seats for around Christmas and New Years time- so they are out there!)
for Business- Qantas wins for me. I've flown DL LAX-SYD and it was the herringbone you find on CX and NZ, except I personally felt like it was a cheaper version, and the service... well it just can't compare to the likes of Qantas. the Skybed is great in my opinion, yes its nothing like the new CX product, but I'm a fan- just try to get on the A380 where its horizontal. i did hear some of the 747 will get the sloped seat replaced with the horizontal, but not entirely sure if/when that'll happen)
for economy - width and pitch is pretty much the same with QF and DL it comes down to service, I personally much prefer QF. I've expereinced DL Y service between the states and LHR a lot over the past few years and while it's good, it's not the same as receiving a small menu outlining the service you'll receive as well as a night cap tea service and your own amenity kit as you receive on QF. (its been 4 years since I've flown QF Y so it might have changed). but I'd still stick with QF.
then to add to the fact that you're actually going to perth, which means if you used an award on DL you'd have to buy a ticket from SYD.
so that was the subjective bit of the 'calculation' - here is the objective sections:
110,000 on QF worth roughly TOTAL $2,530 USD
105,000 on DL worth roughly $2,415 USD + $475 USD (rough purchased RT SYD-PER in Y)
(earn 4,070 AS miles if flown on QF between SYD and PER, but none of them go towards MVP status)
miles earned worth about $94.00, therefore;
note- (I always calculate the price of a ticket by subtracting the amount of miles I'll earn as in my book, if miles have a value to spend then they have a value when being earned)
85,000 on QF worth roughly TOTAL $1,955 USD
80,000 on DL worth roughly $1,840 USD + $475 USD (rough purchased RT SYD-PER in Y)
(earn 4,070 AS miles if flown on QF, but none of them go towards MVP status)
money worth of miles about $94.00, therefore;
*Purchased in ECONOMY*:
$XXX.XX cost of flight to LAX
=2,575 + flight to LAX
miles earned on AS towards MVP 14,980 + 4,070 non status miles (SYD-PER) = 19050 + miles to LAX
rounding these miles to 21,000 for what ever you'll earn to get to LAX the worth of the miles is $483
TOTAL $2,575 - $483 = $2,092 (+ flight to LAX)
$XXX.XXX cost of flight to LAX
miles earned towards AS: 19,060 (no miles go towards MVP status)
rounding the same deal with the miles to give an idea of 1,000 or so miles earned each way to LAX (could be more or less depending if you're in SEA vs ANC vs NYC) $483 USD
TOTAL $1,650 - $483 = $1,167
disclaimer- all prices are averages and could be different
This give you some options-
if you want to save money and fly economy it seems it would be best to purchase the ticket as it's cheaper.
If you're not worried about MVP miles then QF is by far your best bet, but if this will be the difference between making MVP and not then that could influence you choice of carrier.
If you want to fly Business class you'll see that it's only not too much difference between buying a DL ticket and using AS miles to get a J seat- but remember that only gets you as far as SYD.
So my opinion:
*Option One: QF for economy - cheapest option, best connections, same carrier, good service (best out of the two options) etc etc
*Option Two: if you want to become an AS MVP and that amount of miles would make the difference- fly DL (that is... if you think MVP would really be beneficial the following year)
*option Three: QF for business class with miles. Only 5,000 more miles then DL, a better seat and service and will connect you through to Perth in business as part of the ticket and will put you in First class on Alaska flights in the US.
I'd lean towards options number three, for those long flights its not easy hey.
If you do go with that option I have some hints on finding seats on QF before calling AS asking for a ticket.
I hope this information is clear enough to be able to make some sense.
to some people the sky is the limit, to aviation enthusiasts, its home!
goblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4160 times:
If you have the opportunity to ride the 380 then do it. Otherwise fly DL. Try to upgrade to F if you can...now that's what I call heaven! This is only speculation though, I've never flown to Australia.
PI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 599 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4153 times:
Kyle/alaskaqantas raised some valid points to consider since you are continuing on to PER. A family member and myself just completed a roundtrip to SYD on DL yesterday in fact, and although I really enjoyed the service I was motivated by both accruing mileage on one ticket and using miles to get a free ticket on the other. As much as I would like to fly the A380 it was to my benefit to fly DL.
I booked the award ticket 5 months in advance, followed by the purchase of an M fare to use upgrade certificates. Award seats were limited for Fri/Sat/Sun departures in both directions but easily found seats on Monday in both directions. So while I earned and redeemed miles for the one ticket, in essence I got 2 business class tickets TPA-ATL-SYD for a cash outlay of less than $3000 and earned bonus miles and MQM's for my status on the purchase ticket.
We were well treated by DL and in particular the senior LAX-based F/A crews who staff LAX-SYD. Far and above some of the best in-flight service experienced on any airline.
My biggest fault to the experience was LAX T6 and the immigration/customs process arriving back in LAX yesterday. I appreciate an obvious major renovation is occuring but using T6 gates and transiting to/from T5 is a drab and dull experience (DL can't you hang a poster or two in that damn long drab WHITE HALLWAY?) not to mention the "third world" appearance of the immigration/customs/bag re-check area DL shares with UA. A disgrace to welcome foreign visitor's to our country in this underground subway station-appearing facility. A sad comparison to the facilities and staff we encountered in SYD and AKL. The LAX Airport Board should be forced to work in that nasty place!
I can't compare QF as to that experience but know and appreciate how respected their reputation and service is considered and would not hesitate to fly with them. I did hear from several people I encountered in SYD that liked flying the A380 and QF's service, but they did encounter long delays at customs and bag claim with so many people on a plane that size. We did not experience that at all on DL - from gate stop to hotel check-in including the train to the CBD was exactly 65 minutes using the Express service afforded business class passengers.
So what am I telling you? Consider the advantages of accruing miles into your AS account versus the QF service for the complete journey, and certainly in these days any financial advantages with any airline. QF may have the advantage for convenience if you are doing a same-day connection to PER. It will still involve a train connection ($5) between the Intl and Domestic terminals at SYD but baggage is directly transferred for you by QF.
You are obviously an experienced traveler so hope to hear what you ultimately book. Good Luck with your plans.
philpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 11 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4084 times:
Thanks Kyle and Thomas (and everyone else) for REALLY comprehensive information and advice!!
It will take me a bit to sort through and understand all the fare calculations (I'm not a mathematician or an accountant).
Just like most people on this forum who have just a bit of OCD , I am interested in preserving my AS MVPG status. I'm not terribly fussy about creature comforts, so balancing dollars/cents, FF miles earned/expended, and service will be interesting. Frankly, I'm not sure how it will all shake out.
110,000 on QF worth roughly TOTAL $2,530 USD
105,000 on DL worth roughly $2,415 USD + $475 USD (rough purchased RT SYD-PER in Y)
Wait a minute here! You can fly business class from LAX to SYD for 110,000 FF miles? I must not be reading this right. I checked delta's website and it charged 370,000 miles. If its only 110,000 miles, what am I doin sitting home?
BD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 657 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3892 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 11): Wait a minute here! You can fly business class from LAX to SYD for 110,000 FF miles? I must not be reading this right. I checked delta's website and it charged 370,000 miles. If its only 110,000 miles, what am I doin sitting home?
Sadly not, theoretically it is possible to fly for 150,000FF miles using the low season rate (probably one seat available on one specific Tuesday in the year) Any of the more popular flights, (Friday etc.) anytime of the year always seem to be 370,000.