classicjets From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 142 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6054 times:
While working on planning the upcoming BAC 1-11 enthusiast flight, I started thinking that it would be interesting to hear what kind of stories/recollections people had about the aircraft. What was it like from a passenger's perspective? Ever have any incidents aboard one? I look forward to your responses
UK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2607 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6036 times:
I never flew on one, hence why I snapped up the opportunity to join this flight, however I do have plenty of memories of them from my childhood and later.
In the 1980s the Dan Air BAC One Elevens were a regular sight at Teesside & Newcastle, my 2 local airports. Dan Air used to operate NCL-LGW with the One Eleven; and BA used it on several NCL-LHR rotations.
I also remember a British Island Airways BAC One Eleven doing crew training circuits at Teesside for several days in 1989, as it flew right over our house in nearby Darlington. I stayed in the garden for hours waiting for it to pass over again.
Later the type saw service with BAF/British World Airlines and European Aviation Aircharter, both of which were still a common sight until the late 1990s.
Maersk Air (UK) Ltd operated the last BAC One Elevens in BA colours in the mid-late 90s and they often used to replace a J41 on the BHX-NCL service. They also used to operate a BHX or JER service from NCL on Saturday afternoons in 1995; and along with the Sabre Airways B727 were the highlight of the day when I used to spend the day at the end of the runway.
The things I loved about the One Eleven apart from its British style clumsy look (compared to the DC-9/B737, much like the Trident versus B727) were the noise and smoke on take-off - I only saw and heard the hush-kitted versions but even hush-kitted speys were deafening on take-off!
Also unique was the engine startup sound. There really is nothing like the sound of a One Eleven startup. Do a search on YouTube for the video of a BA BAC One Eleven starting up at Birmingham and you will know what I mean. I am not sure whether the later style hush-kit (as fitted to our VIP ride) produces the same sound during startup. If it does, I suggest we ask for the cabin door to be left open during engine start in DAL! I am sure everyone would enjoy that!
lhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6035 times:
1988 or so, flying back from Asia to the UK then back to Brussels. Our Qantas flight diverted to Manchester because of fog. There were about 60 or 70 people heading back to Belgium, so instead of waiting all day to get back to London (Bad fog all day) and then heading to Brussels, BA were kind and laid on a 1-11 for us from Manchester to Brussels. Even though I was 7 or 8 at the time, I still remember sitting on that back row that went across the plane and looking forward.
BAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6006 times:
My first ever jet flight was on a BAC1-11 back in August 1979. My uncle had booked a couple of weeks for my Dad and me at his friend's hotel in Guernsey. He also booked the flights for us and, knowing my fascination with airliners, booked us a ticket with some variety included, so he had us flying with BA direct LHR-GCI on a Viscount on the way there, returning on an Aurigny Trislander GCI-JER, then with BA on the BAC1-11 JER-LHR. While we were in Guernsey we did a day trip to Jersey, again with Aurigny, so by the time we got to JER on the way home I had a grand total of four prop flights under my belt and was starting to feel like a 12 year old seasoned traveller!! However, I wasn't prepared for how different a flight on a BAC1-11 would be from what I had become used to! We were sat right at the back of the plane, so had the engine just outside the window which only added to the excitement as we literally rocketed into the sky. Over the previous couple of weeks I had become used to the way the prop aircraft we had flown on had sauntered into the sky, but now I really felt like I was flying!! Even my Dad laughed in excitement as he gripped the armrests on takeoff!
My next encounter with a BAC1-11 four years later was not such a happy one though. We were off to Ibiza for two weeks and were booked on a Monarch BAC1-11 LTN-IBZ-LTN. The aircraft had definitely seen better days, the legroom was non-existent (yes, I know it was a charter flight), there were two inches of water trapped between the inner and outer windows at my seat (although I did amuse myself by watching it gradually freeze in flight!) and overall we were glad to get off that plane. I don't know if many airlines did this, but Monarch had a row of rear-facing seats near the back of the plane, and this is where we ended up sitting on the return flight. Flying backwards was interesting, especially on takeoff, but it wasn't so comfortable sitting face to face with complete strangers, although the ice was soon broken when we had to discuss where we were each going to put our legs for maximum comfort!!
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BD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 818 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5989 times:
Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 1): In the 1980s the Dan Air BAC One Elevens were a regular sight at Teesside
I never got to fly a 1-11 but I do remember the Dan Air 1-11's at Teesside. A noisy and smoky arrival/departure was always a guarantee I always thought it was a "typically British" aircraft. A good competent performer but never quite getting the whole package together to be a great seller, much like the Trident. I guess BAC configured it too specifcally to the requirements of one airline?
Still, the days of seeing 727, 732, 1-11, Trident, CV990 (even at MME!) other than the bland mix of 737/320 we see today for short/medium haul are a welcome memory.
Babybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5914 times:
I used to be the ramp agent with a pile of Dan Air and British Island Airways BAC 1-11s. I loved them. You didn't need any fancy equipment to load the bags or the pax. The 2-3 seating config was good for couples and families.
My first flight without my parents was on a Dan-Air 1-11 to Munich.
I remember as a ramp agent finding Clement Freud standing in the aisle of a full BIA 1-11 and saying to him..'This isn't a bus'.
Also I remember one morning talking to a oil worker who had come in all the way from Djibouti on a BIA 1-11. It had stopped in Khartoum, Cairo, Athens and Rome.
They were very noisy aircraft but really great to travel on and work with.
e38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 430 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5899 times:
I never had the chance to travel aboard a BAC One-Eleven, but I watched them frequently as a kid at Dallas Love Field (primarily Braniff but also American--the 400 Astrojet) and also at San Antonio (Braniff) sometime around 1968 - 1970.
The last BAC One-Eleven I saw operating in scheduled airline service was in 1980. It was operated by USAir and was at Gate 43 on the E Concourse at Detroit's old Davey Terminal. As I recall, it was operating on a Detroit-Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse-Albany-Boston itinerary.
The two words I would use to describe a One-Eleven on takeoff: smoke and loud.
AzoresLover From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 779 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5855 times:
It was my favorite type to fly on...I flew often on both Allegheny and American 1-11's. Main reason was the absolute rocket-like takeoff!! No other plane gave such a kick on takeoff.
A favorite memory was on one Allegheny Airlines flight, when I was talking with the Captain. He was commenting also on the kick on takeoff, saying it was like a fighter jet that he had flown in the military. He told me that the airline had been trying to get him to upgrade to the DC-9, but he wanted no part of that. He said that it was just too much fun flying the 1-11, and he wasn't about to give it up.
All my flights were pre-hush kit. I've never flown one that was retrofitted with those kits, but I did sit outside the airport at SEA and watched many of them with Cascade Airways take off. Not only did I think that those very long hush kits were ugly, but they also really altered the sound on takeoff.
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longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5873 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5830 times:
Being "of a certain age" gives one advantages when it comes to aircraft on which one has flown. I have had the opportunity to fly on a BAC-111 several times.
I flew on a BA BAC-111-500 from MAN-LHR, where I was given the best cup of tea and shortbread I have ever had in my life. One would certainly expect it in England ... just not on an airplane!
I also used to fly on DA from LGW-CDG a lot, as a part of a pairing I used to work when A310 Captain with Wardair. We would fly YYZ-YOW-LGW, then position on DA from LGW to CDG. It was DA's "Class Elite" product. The service was as good as any Business Class product I had ever flown! I don't know the series of BAC-111 but it was never a -500, always a shorter version.
In North America, I flew on BAC-111s of American, Mohawk, Allegheny and Quebecair. As a young kid, I used to save my money to fly quick round trips out of YYZ on the above. YYZ-LGA-YYZ on AA, YYZ-ROC-YYZ on MO, YYZ-BUF-YYZ on AL and YYZ-YUL-YYZ on QB.
The one thing that sticks out in my mind was the cabin configuration of Mohawk. I mentioned it on an earlier thread, but it seems to have been deleted. The cabin was all Economy, but was 2x2, then 2x3, then 2x2, then 2x3 alternating rows right to the back. The only exception was at the over-wing exits where both rows were 2x3, but facing each other, with the forward row facing the rear.
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Re. my post earlier in this thread, I remember that on our return journey from GCI via JER we had arrived so early in JER that we were put on standby for an earlier flight that was due to be operated by a 500 series, however we didn't make it onto that flight. Whatever series we ended up on still seemed fairly long though!
I also remember a couple of BAC1-11 flights on USAir PIT-CLT-PIT back in January 1987. By that time I had a few widebody flights under my belt, and I remember boarding the aircraft in PIT, walking to my allocated seat in the very last row and thinking how abruptly the cabin seemed to come to an end. I felt sure that there must have been more rows of seats behind the rear bulkhead somewhere! A plane that had seemed so huge to me eight years previously now felt tiny and claustrophobic!! I still loved it though...happy memories!
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 28725 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5796 times:
[quote=longhauler,reply=10]The one thing that sticks out in my mind was the cabin configuration of Mohawk. I mentioned it on an earlier thread, but it seems to have been deleted. The cabin was all Economy, but was 2x2, then 2x3, then 2x2, then 2x3 alternating rows right to the back.[/quote
isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5781 times:
Flew the BN 1-11 a half dozen times and the AA 1-11 twice. Most times I sat in the rear just ahead of the engine.
On the outside, I miss the takeoff sounds of the RR engines. You could be blindfolded and knew a 1-11 on takeoff vs.
all the others.
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Airxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4534 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5774 times:
Only memory I have of the BAC-1-11 as a passenger was with Cyprus Airways (dont think it has been mentioned yet here). I flew on one from Beirut to Larnaca back in 1992 or thereabouts. I remember sitting somewhere in the back, it was a noisy beast but a pleasure to fly on. Beirut at that time was fresh out of civil war and I remember my mother remarking that the runway was surprisingly dirty with tyre marks!
Unfortunately the way back to Beirut a few days later was on a brand new A320. Must have been night and day technology wise, but I still love the old jets.