photophil From Sweden, joined Apr 2011, 178 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3659 times:
Maybe someone can help me.
In september I will be in the US for a business trip. On my way back i was offered connections via Detroit DTW or Minneapolis (MSP) using Delta to come back to Europe. Which one do you think is the better airport for the connection and (as a spotter) which one gives you better chances for photos during the waiting time.
BD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 654 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3646 times:
From an aiport experience I would go with DTW. The DL (ex-NW) Terminal is bright, airy, spacious and never seems crowded even at busy times. (The complete opposite of the old terminal). Chance of seeing some LH, AF metal depending on your time of day and NK fly there on the domestic side. Though those flights are in a diferrent terminal across the airfield. Other than that pretty much the same airlines as MSP. Which isn't a bad airport, just the DTW facility is more modern and designed from the start for modern traffic volumes/needs. You wouldn't back track so far from CLE either going through DTW.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21794 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3638 times:
MSP is probably better for photos, not so much for variety of carriers (which is worse, though MSP gets FI in September) but for the observation deck and the generally better photography possibilities (no spots on the windows in MSP).
The connection will be more pleasant in DTW, however. You are going to have a l-o-n-g walk in MSP.
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apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3979 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3523 times:
Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 8):
The dreaded dots in DTW! But I'd go with DTW. Lots of shops, restaurants and probably the easiest major airport to navigate.
Though MSP has long walks, it is still pretty simple to navigate. Plus there are lots of shops and restaurants as well, especially in the main terminal area. If the connection is Mainline to Mainline, and you are looking for Photo ops, I would go with MSP, otherwise I say DTW.
A note on the MSP observation deck. It is located above the D gates, and the stairs are to your left right as you enter the D gates waiting area. It's hard to see, but its there, and its the best kept secret in MSP.
photophil From Sweden, joined Apr 2011, 178 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3517 times:
Thanks for the info.
I think I will stay with MSP. That sounds to be a really good spot for airside spotting. And as both possibilities (MSP and DTW) have the same price and the same plane types on use - but via MSP the spotting seems to better and its even 1hr shorter in over all time. So, why not
Beside: What B767 version does Delta uses for the MSP-AMS connection? They just say 767, but not if its a -300, -300ER or even -400
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7186 posts, RR: 29 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3486 times:
Is the DTW-AMS segment on an A330-300 or the 767? If it is an A330-300, it is arguably a nicer aircraft than DL's 767-300. That may factor into your decision. You might also be able to do a CLE-ATL-AMS-LPI flight as well, I think the ATL-AMS section is on a KLM 777.
DTW is a somewhat nicer, more modern facility than MSP, but MSP is perfectly fine by any means.
If you are interested in photos, spotting, and the observation deck then MSP would win that contest. As said, there are little black dots on the windows at DTW to limit the sunlight from heating up the terminal that interfere with photos.
However if you do go through DTW, you can easily exit the terminal and go to the top floor of the parking garage for a good view of the airfield. Plus, you get good close-up views of the narrowbody side of A-concourse which would include a mix of CR7, CR9, E75, DC-9-50, MD-88, A319/A320, and 738 at the gates.
DTW may have a little more diverse mix of aircraft at that time of the day than MSP. You will likely find DL 744, 777s, as well as an AF A340 there. Might be slightly more DC-9s in DTW than MSP, but MSP you'll have MD-90s around too.
MSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1732 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3449 times:
Oh boy, two of my favorite airports. Of course MSP is essentially my "home" airport, so I have a little bit of bias towards it.
For photos, I'd go for MSP. And a big part of why is because of the observation deck. The action on 12L/30R and the A, B, C, D, and the UA/US side of the E concourse gates will go right in front of you with a good sun angle (if sunny out). During a bank the action is non-stop. You likely won't see many of the big birds from there, but you can walk over the other side of the terminal to see them if you like. DTW offers a great lineup of heavies at the gate during the afternoon, but the stupid dots on the windows makes photography difficult. And once the heavies are gone, there isn't a great view of runway action available from inside the terminal like at MSP.
Inside, the two facilities are radically different but both very nice. DTW gives you the mile-long main concourse. MSP gives you an old-school feel of walking around in a classic terminal layout. DTW has the new-style layout with tall ceilings and shiny surfaces. MSP gives you the classic clean and cozy feel. DTW has the cool tunnel and fountain area in the mid-section. MSP has its own mall in which you don't feel like you're in an airport anymore. Both are large terminals, so there's plenty to explore.
Bottom line: Both are cool airports, so it's too bad you can't visit both! But since you can only pick one, I'll throw my biased vote for MSP.
Quoting photophil (Reply 11): What B767 version does Delta uses for the MSP-AMS connection?
photophil From Sweden, joined Apr 2011, 178 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
Quoting : If it is an A330-300, it is arguably a nicer aircraft than DL's 767-300
Is that really the case? Is it so much better? I had never flown with a B767 before so until now I opted for that. What is the big difference between B763 and an A333 in Delta.
If I include the plane in the selection, I have the following choices:
CLE-MSP-AMS-LPI with 5hrs in MSP, 1,5hrs in AMS and B763, 19hrs over all
CLE-MSP-AMS-LPI with 3hrs in MSP, 3,5hrs in AMS and A333, 19hrs over all
CLE-DTW-AMS-LPI with 1hr in DTW, 8,5hrs in AMS and A332, 21hrs over all
CLE-DTW-AMS-LPI with 7hrs in DTW, 1,5hrs in AMS and B767, 21hs over all
CLE-DTW-AMS-LPI with 3,5hrs in DTW, 6,5hrs in AMS and A333, 21hrs over all
CLE-DTW-AMS-LPI with 4,5hrs in DTW, 5,5hrs in AMS and A333, 21hrs over all
there are even longer connections with 23hrs over all ... I already skipped these.
The first one is also the cheapest to get right now.
If you are in Y and planning to sleep going east, then go for the 763 if you haven't flown one. The big differences are in the front cabins and with IFE, neither of which is relevant if my assumptions are correct.
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photophil From Sweden, joined Apr 2011, 178 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3419 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15): If you are in Y and planning to sleep going east, then go for the 763 if you haven't flown one. The big differences are in the front cabins and with IFE, neither of which is relevant if my assumptions are correct.
Thats exactly what I'm going to do. I will only get economy paid for by my employer. And as this will be a long flight after a long day I will at least try to sleep.