Sponsor Message:
Travel Polls & Prefs Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Tight Connection At MEM  
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11722 posts, RR: 60
Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

Hi There,


Next month I've got a reasonably tight 39 minute connection on ORD-MEM-AMS with Mesaba and Delta. I will arrive and depart from Terminal B, but I'm wondering how long it will take me to get to the international gates if I arrive at the other end of the terminal; are there moving walkways, and do they close the gates promptly or would they wait if they knew I was on my way?

I know it's not the end of the world if I don't make it but, as it looks like the last way out to Europe that evening, I'd like to give myself a sporting chance.


Thanks in advance


Dan  


...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
17 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Was it DL or NW who had / has a procedure to have all pax on board 30 min prior to STD for intercontinental flights ?

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
I will arrive and depart from Terminal B, but I'm wondering how long it will take me to get to the international gates if I arrive at the other end of the terminal;

I only arrived internationally into MEM with that area at the very end of Concourse B.
All I recall is that the walk to Baggage Claim was a lengthy one.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
do they close the gates promptly or would they wait if they knew I was on my way?

Standard procedure would be to close the gate like 10 minutes prior to STD, reducing your available connection time even further.
Add to that any departure delay out of ORD and you'll see your aircraft bound for AMS taking off on one of the parallel runways while your flight from ORD is landing.
Serious: That's a TIGHT connection, but it is a) legal and b) doable.

  , Dan.

-HT



Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
I know it's not the end of the world if I don't make it but, as it looks like the last way out to Europe that evening, I'd like to give myself a sporting chance.

It's the ONLY ride to Europe out of MEM, unless you're a package.

But I don't think it's going to be a problem. AMS will likely depart from the very end of B pier, but it's a relatively compact airport. You certainly won't have to re-clear security or anything like that.

If you do miss it, head to Beale St for the evening and take in some blues clubs.


User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

It is doable, but still a bit scary since you are connecting to the nonstop AMS flight. I would be more concerned about the ORD-MEM operating precisely on time than having walk time in MEM between gates. So, let's have a plan B if a delay occurs at ORD before you board that plane:
1. I suspect the CR9 operated by Mesaba flies in from MSP as DL2680 to make up the ORD-MEM flight you are on so if you have access to a computer before heading to ORD check flight status to see how that flight is operating. At the first sign of a delay I'd get on the phone to DL to request a re-route via DTW or MSP. Technically they don't have to do it unless a delay is posted on your ORD-MEM flight, but they are good about helping out a potential misconnect.
2. Talk to an agent at ORD about re-booking at the slightest hint of a delay or missed connection in MEM because there is no additional connection service to AMS if you miss DL156.
3. Any earlier flight ORD-MEM you want to be rebooked on right now would be considered a voluntary change and subject you to the minimum $150 change fee and additional collection in fare so not a viable option at this point......UNLESS your current itinerary changes due to a DL schedule change. Not likely this close in to your departure date however so just keep an eye out on your day of travel for delays/weather and operational issues at ORD to help you prepare for Plan B.
4. If you mis-connect in MEM, just stay in a hotel near the airport and chill out until the next afternoon. Definitely enjoy some MEM Barbeque. You-know-what happens sometimes and life is too short to freak at things beyond your control. Doesn't make it easy with losing a day in AMS, but after a temper tantrum or episode of hgh blood pressure, you're still in MEM and life goes on!
Good Luck with your DL flights and hope you enjoy your stay in the USA.
Thomas



watch what you want. you may get it.
User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2858 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter):
I know it's not the end of the world if I don't make it but, as it looks like the last way out to Europe that evening, I'd like to give myself a sporting chance.

Good luck. The AMS flight will be all the way at the end of the pier. I get it that you want to maximize your time at your destination, but just because something is legal doesn't make it a good idea. Delays out of ORD late in a summer day? Never heard of such a thing. Seriously, I would never, ever buy a ticket with this connection. The biggest factor by far is getting out of ORD on time. If there is any reasonable way to change to an earlier flight out of ORD I would bite the bullet and do it. If not, you must be at peace with the idea of not getting to AMS that day. If you are fine with that then press on with your current plan and let us know how it goes! Good luck!

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
It is doable, but still a bit scary since you are connecting to the nonstop AMS flight. I would be more concerned about the ORD-MEM operating precisely on time than having walk time in MEM between gates

Absolutely correct.

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
Good Luck with your DL flights and hope you enjoy your stay in the USA.

Yes indeed! Have a great trip!


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

That is very tight. Even a 15 minutes delay at ORD will make you miss the flight out of MEM. It reminds me of an itinerary CO tried to sell me last year flying LAX-IAH-LHR with a 39 minutes connection at IAH. I never went with that option.


Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11722 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 1):
Was it DL or NW who had / has a procedure to have all pax on board 30 min prior to STD for intercontinental flights ?

Not sure, I'd not heard of that before, but I would presume it's not DL policy or they wouldn't sell a 39 minute connection... surely?

Quoting HT (Reply 1):
I only arrived internationally into MEM with that area at the very end of Concourse B.
All I recall is that the walk to Baggage Claim was a lengthy one.

I took a browse on the MEM airport site and it did seem like quite a walk. I've checked back through flight stats and the ORD-MEM flight normally comes in on Gate 8, once or twice it turns up right next to the gates for AMS - so I wonder if that's intentional when they have connecting pax.

Quoting HT (Reply 1):
Standard procedure would be to close the gate like 10 minutes prior to STD, reducing your available connection time even further.
Add to that any departure delay out of ORD and you'll see your aircraft bound for AMS taking off on one of the parallel runways while your flight from ORD is landing.
Serious: That's a TIGHT connection, but it is a) legal and b) doable.

Yes very tight indeed! I actually thought it was longer because I misread it as a 1h 39m when looking through flight options on Amadeus. Then, prior to booking, I used FlightStats to check the performance on recent ORD-MEM flights, but as of now that service comes in at 18:16 (changes to 18:46 by the time I will fly it), so I just thought I'd misread 1h 39m as 1h 9m - which I was alright with, re-checked the ORD departure time, and booked it. Ah well!

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 2):
It's the ONLY ride to Europe out of MEM, unless you're a package.

Indeed, I was also thinking about one stop re-routing options.

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 2):
But I don't think it's going to be a problem. AMS will likely depart from the very end of B pier, but it's a relatively compact airport. You certainly won't have to re-clear security or anything like that.

The security thing and not having to change terminals is a big bonus. If I was going to have to change terminals then I'd have thought twice even when I thought the connection time was 1h 09.

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 2):
If you do miss it, head to Beale St for the evening and take in some blues clubs.

That's the back-up plan then, which really wouldn't bother me.

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
It is doable, but still a bit scary since you are connecting to the nonstop AMS flight. I would be more concerned about the ORD-MEM operating precisely on time than having walk time in MEM between gates.

Yes indeed, that's what I am thinking. I just wanted to have an idea of times, so if I am late in then I know whether to walk quickly and look in a hurry, or all out run and look like an idiot about to miss his plane.  
Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
So, let's have a plan B if a delay occurs at ORD before you board that plane:
1. I suspect the CR9 operated by Mesaba flies in from MSP as DL2680 to make up the ORD-MEM flight you are on so if you have access to a computer before heading to ORD check flight status to see how that flight is operating. At the first sign of a delay I'd get on the phone to DL to request a re-route via DTW or MSP. Technically they don't have to do it unless a delay is posted on your ORD-MEM flight, but they are good about helping out a potential misconnect.

That is really useful information, thank you. I had wrongly assumed it was an ORD based plane, but really it makes sense to be based at the DL hub!

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
3. Any earlier flight ORD-MEM you want to be rebooked on right now would be considered a voluntary change and subject you to the minimum $150 change fee and additional collection in fare so not a viable option at this point......UNLESS your current itinerary changes due to a DL schedule change. Not likely this close in to your departure date however so just keep an eye out on your day of travel for delays/weather and operational issues at ORD to help you prepare for Plan B.

Yeah, whilst $150 isn't beyond me, I'm not that inclined to get back to AMS on that flight.

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
4. If you mis-connect in MEM, just stay in a hotel near the airport and chill out until the next afternoon. Definitely enjoy some MEM Barbeque. You-know-what happens sometimes and life is too short to freak at things beyond your control. Doesn't make it easy with losing a day in AMS, but after a temper tantrum or episode of hgh blood pressure, you're still in MEM and life goes on!
Good Luck with your DL flights and hope you enjoy your stay in the USA.

That's it and, as RamblinMan says, take in some Blues. I'm in no rush to get back home, the total routing is actually ORD-MEM-AMS-BRS, there just happened to be a few seats left on a really cheap routing back into BRS which saves me the hassle of LHR or LGW. Thanks, I'm looking forwards to seeing more of the States, not been over for several years.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):
Good luck. The AMS flight will be all the way at the end of the pier. I get it that you want to maximize your time at your destination, but just because something is legal doesn't make it a good idea. Delays out of ORD late in a summer day? Never heard of such a thing. Seriously, I would never, ever buy a ticket with this connection. The biggest factor by far is getting out of ORD on time. If there is any reasonable way to change to an earlier flight out of ORD I would bite the bullet and do it. If not, you must be at peace with the idea of not getting to AMS that day. If you are fine with that then press on with your current plan and let us know how it goes! Good luck!

That's it, I am trying to pack a lot into a short time, so taking a flight out of ORD at 1700 means an extra half day in the city before I have to get to the airport. Other options back into LON left at 11:00-14:00, but the BRS option left so much later it was a no brainer. I'm not bothered if I have to spend a night in MEM under my own steam, I just figured it was best to wise up on connecting in MEM before leaving so I could give myself a good shot at making the AMS flight.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):
Yes indeed! Have a great trip!

Thank you, I'm going to I hope!   

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):

That is very tight. Even a 15 minutes delay at ORD will make you miss the flight out of MEM. It reminds me of an itinerary CO tried to sell me last year flying LAX-IAH-LHR with a 39 minutes connection at IAH. I never went with that option.

To be honest, if there is another flight or routing an hour or so later then it doesn't bother me. It's only when there isn't another connection for a long time that I generally plan in my own time buffer.

Thanks for all the help and suggestions folk, very useful and helpful!


Dan  



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

As stated before, if you have access to a computer and a delay is posted on one of your flights, then you can log in on delta.com and just change your booking there for free. A delay can be posted to your flight even hours before your flight is operating if i.e. the arriving aircraft is late. You don't even need to call Delta for that.
I had a MSY-ATL-FRA flight were this happened and delta.com showed "possibly misconnection"... I was able to rebook myself to an ealier MSY-ATL feeder and then went to the airport and checked in myself as usual as if I was never booked on any other flight. It was soooo easy.


User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 3):
Any earlier flight ORD-MEM you want to be rebooked on right now would be considered a voluntary change and subject you to the minimum $150 change fee

That's not true, unless they did away with same-day-standby and I didn't hear about it. It's $70 IIRC to standby for an earlier flight, but as others have pointed out, as soon as a delay posts you can probably change it for free. Or just don't worry about it and enjoy Memphis if you miss it.

DL, in my experience, has been really great about re-routing, even when it wasn't absolutely needed. One time it was snowing in CVG- not enough to close it just make things run late, and a very helpful agent at the counter spent about 15 minutes and found us seats via ATL. Her idea, not ours.

They still suffer from their own bureaucracy though. Once I was in ATL- on Thanksgiving weekend no less- and I was way too early for my flight. Some seats opened up on an earlier one when some people mis-connected, but I couldn't be allowed on it without paying the $70 fee, which I wouldn't do. So in the end my butt was in my seat on my reserved flight, and DL got to pay for one more hotel room than they otherwise would have.


User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

[

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 8):
That's not true, unless they did away with same-day-standby and I didn't hear about it.

Read my sentence again. It reads "rebooked on right now" which means in advance of his actual travel date. It has nothing to do with a same-day voluntary change, which in turn you pointed out would not be necessary if his ORD-MEM flight is delayed as DL would re-book him anyway.
A bit Ramblin wouldn't you say?



watch what you want. you may get it.
User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

The clarify....the same day change fee is $50 not $70; however, it does not apply to any itinerary with an international connection.


watch what you want. you may get it.
User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 10):
The clarify....the same day change fee is $50 not $70; however, it does not apply to any itinerary with an international connection.

Either way it was a slap in the face and the moment I realized my silver medallion status wasn't good for much.

Also...free same-day standby for international itineraries? REALLY?! That's actually, dare I say it... customer-friendly! Does this apply to the international leg as well? (Obviously doesn't matter in the OP's case but in general?)


User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

No, no let me clarify my sentence a bit further. The same-day standby option DOES NOT APPLY to an international itinerary. No fee, not free - simply not permitted. Same-day standby for $50 applies to flights only within the USA, PR and USVI. A new flight must be requested within 3 hours and have seats available in the appropriate class of service - F or Y but not in the fare class. The OP's only option was to chose the voluntary change in advance hence the $150 change fee and any additional fare I mentioned.
In my experience flying ALOT to get to Platinum, DL holds pretty firm to the fee as you experienced even when the flight has open seats. I've also run into a snag once where I was not on the "active standby" list when I got to the gate and the agent simply informed me "I am busy and can't help you". I ended up calling DL, got on the "active" list and cleared on the flight as Charlie Charming blankly handed me a boarding pass ignoring my snide "Thank You for your service." I was ticked because I was on standby as a result of an in-bound delay and misconnect the origin airport did not handle properly and this agent simply did not want to be bothered. You-know-what happens occasionally, but in the end I just want to get home.
Sorry for any confusion and snarky response. I just want to help this fella' get back to AMS as uneventfully as possible but to understand his options should delays occur. I am hoping he has an on-time connection on to AMS so he can enjoy the music and good food of MEM on another trip.
Thomas



watch what you want. you may get it.
User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3500 times:

PlymSpotter, as others have said, this is a tight connection, but it is not impossible, of course.

Concerning the Memphis airport, Delta Flight 156 to Amsterdam always departs from Gate B43, which is at the very end of the B concourse (there are very few gates at MEM that can handle a widebody aircraft--B43 has been used for many years for the Amsterdam flight--by DC10s, A330s, and now 767s).

There are no moving sidewalks on the B concourse, but you don't need them. If your flight from Chicago arrives on the B concourse, it will not be more than a 5 - 7 minute walk from any gate on the B concourse to B43. From what I have observed in the past, the Delta staff at Memphis is well aware of the way connections are scheduled at Memphis and will do their best to hold the Amsterdam flight (within reason) for connecting passengers. They do not strictly adhere to the requirement to be on board 30 minutes prior to scheduled departure and they usually know the names of the passengers who are connecting. I would not worry about the connection.

However, with that being said, if it looks like your flight from ORD to MEM is going to be delayed departing ORD, at the very first opportunity I would speak to the agent at the gate and see if there are alternative routings for you to get to AMS--either through Minneapolis, Detroit, or Atlanta.

Que tenga buen viaje.

e38


User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 12):
No fee, not free - simply not permitted.

Now THAT makes a lot more sense.

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 12):
"I am busy and can't help you".

Well if this is how they treat the higher-level elites I guess silver is as good as anything... and it makes me glad I never bothered to maintain it. Oh well, I earned all those EQMs on KE anyhow. (Though I regularly get advertising mail telling me how much they "miss me.")

Now, I've never had an overnight misconnect on DL, but perhaps you have... how generous are they about providing accommodation?


User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Like the others have said, the most concern is the flight from ORD departing on time.
If there is a delay, try to have the agent rebook you. Some have mentioned rebooking through DTW, MSP or even ATL.

Now, either I am missing something or the others are forgetting it, there is a much faster way to get to AMS if your ORD-MEM flight is delayed and you are in danger of missing your connection.
Have the DL agent book you on the nonstop to AMS. KLM operates AMS-ORD-AMS and DL has a JV, so there should be no issues rebooking on KLM.


User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

On the ORD-MEM leg, hopefully you are not sitting in the back of the plane....not a good idea in a tight connection.
Get as close foreword as you can and get an aisle seat. That way if the flight is a few minutes late, you still have shot at making the connection.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 15):
KLM operates AMS-ORD-AMS and DL has a JV, so there should be no issues rebooking on KLM.

Except for one thing... not sure what time the OP's flight leaves, but the KL flight leaves at like 16:30 IIRC. So it might already be closed or departed by the time this happens.


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
1h20 - Tight Connection At LGW? posted Mon Sep 7 2009 20:12:43 by Signol
30 MIN Connection At LCY? posted Tue May 10 2011 10:46:16 by B747forever
BA To EK Connection At LHR posted Wed Mar 16 2011 11:43:54 by bpat777
45 Minute Connection At PHL posted Tue Nov 9 2010 18:44:08 by blink182
Interline Connection At LAX; AA To AS posted Fri Jul 2 2010 06:50:37 by Super80DFW
35 Minute Connection At VIE - Feasible? posted Sun Jun 13 2010 09:53:19 by A342
DL To AF Connection At JFK posted Sat May 22 2010 09:18:34 by DTWLAX
45min Connection At EWR - Doable? posted Tue Apr 6 2010 10:47:16 by AmricanShamrok
6.5-hour Connection At JFK! posted Wed Mar 17 2010 04:39:14 by Vasu
57 Minute Connection At ATL Manageable? posted Fri Jan 29 2010 07:56:08 by 797