DutchBoeing From Netherlands, joined Apr 2010, 99 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3551 times:
Recently I needed a few domestic tickets in Brazil and wanted to book Business or First Class, but wasn't able to. After a search I discovered that there are appearently no domestic flights in Brazil which have a Business or First Class cabin. This surprised me very much. The distances in Brazil are huge (long flights), there are a lot of rich people in Brazil who, I'm sure, would be willing to pay more for more comfort + there are a lot of connecting pax through GIG or GRU in C/F on international flights (thinking of TAM now + all TAM *A code shares) who would also expect the onward flight to be in a premium cabin (i.e. the main reason why KL still has a European premium cabin, eventhough distances are usually much shorter). Compare that to countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal, UK, South Africa, Thailand, Morocco, etc. where distances are far shorter, people are generally less well to do (not EU countries of course) and most domestic flights there do have a C-class.
So question: is there perhaps a law prohibiting a premium cabin on board? Or is it really the case nobody in Brazil would be willing to pay a bit more?
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11316 posts, RR: 59 Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
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There's no Laws on such issue.
The point is just the previous behaviour of customers on the 90's that avoid expensive domestic tickets. Varig use to offer business class on board (specially because there were a lot of domestic flights with M11 and 772 such as GIG-BSB-MAO, GIG-NAT-FOR, GRU-MAO, GRU-POA, GIG-IGU, among others) as well as they configure their 733 fleet with 8F 120Y.
The need of more seats to face G3 advance (LCLF) forced Varig later to discontinue business class and even M11/772 flights become all-Y.
In my view, there's demand nowadays for routes longer than 2 hours of flight to introduce again a Business class product.
What's wrong ??? All airlines nowadays have very intensive networks where a flight such as GRU-SSA, become the plane used on low yield SSA-REC-FOR for example, with very low loads, before return into something like FOR-BSB, FOR-GIG or FOR-GRU. This leads to a need, on one of the current major players, to rethink their network to better use the business class. Further, you have to reorganize catering and services, which is not so hard.
JJ could do it, first introducing a business class product on routes using widebodies (GIG-GRU / GRU-GIG / GRU-MAO / MAO-GRU) or the ones using A32A product (the A320 used on int'l flights to South America that run domestic routes such as GRU-JPA, GIG-CNF, GIG-SSA-REC, GRU-POA, among some others).
The best ? A new airline !
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robso2 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2010, 217 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3378 times:
I've done a couple of intra-Brazil flights recently as well and was also suprised by JJ not offering a business product. As LipeGIG said a lot of domestic flights have tag-on's such as IGU-MCZ goes via GIG and SSA making it logistically difficult to load/unload new catering and the constant unloading of bags with priority labels for all the different sectors.
Having said that I think that with Brazil's rich population growing, established airlines like JJ could find a way of making a business product profitable