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Star Alliance West Coast To Europe In J?  
User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 775 posts, RR: 10
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5511 times:

Hi all, looking for a bit of advice. I am planning a trip to the west coast of the USA / Canada next year and was looking for advice on which of the following options you would choose. I am looking for advice on meals, lounge, seat, cabin crew etc

AC 777 YVR-LHR / AC 330 YVR-LHR
UA 777 LAX-LHR
NZ 773 LAX-LHR
CO 752 LAX-DUB (VIA EWR)
UA 744 SFO-LHR
LH 330 SEA-FRA
SK 330 ORD-ARN

Thanks in advance


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
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User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 673 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5492 times:
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The "Star" winner - NZ. New airplane, with renowned service by professional and friendly staff. You just can't beat the Kiwi style. Kia Ora!
In descending order possibly consider AC and LH, but NZ will clearly outshine all this other competition.
Good Luck with your planning. Let us know what you book.
P.S. I do not work for NZ.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):

I would agree, but keep in mind, NZ has gone with a 3-4-3 configuration for their AKL-LAX-LHR route. But service wise, I would still rate them top.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
NZ has gone with a 3-4-3 configuration for their AKL-LAX-LHR route. But service wise, I would still rate them top.

It stands in the title that he is flying in J, so that doesn't metter I think



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25189 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 1):
The "Star" winner - NZ. New airplane, with renowned service by professional and friendly staff. You just can't beat the Kiwi style. Kia Ora!

As already mentioned, of all the carriers the original poster is considering, NZ is the only 777 operator with 10-abreast seating in Y class on their 77Ws. They would be my last choice in Y on a longhaul like LAX-LHR.

I would choose AC. Their 9-abreast 777s and 8-abreast A330s are much more comfortable than any 10-abreast 777, although my first preference on AC would be the 763 due to the 2-3-2 seating and very low chance of winding up in a middle seat. Unlike all the US carriers, alcoholic drinks are also free in Y class on AC. Their IFE system is also very good.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25183 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

What class of service are you looking for?

Also you missed a few other nonstop options.
Such as LX to either SFO/LAX, UA SFO-FRA, LH to LAX or SFO from either FRA or MUC etc.

At the end of the are many dozen ways to get to the US West Coast on Star carriers.

If price is your primary concern that go with whatever happens to be the cheapest.



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8535 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5407 times:
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Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
but keep in mind, NZ has gone with a 3-4-3 configuration for their AKL-LAX-LHR route
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
NZ is the only 777 operator with 10-abreast seating in Y class on their 77Ws. They would be my last choice in Y on a longhaul like LAX-LHR.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
What class of service are you looking for?

- Read the title people, he says J!

Of the listed choice I'd take NZ, last on the list would be UA.

Enjoy!



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 775 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

Hi thanks everyone for the advice. To confirm, I am flying J. Price isnt a real consideration as I intend to use miles to purchase the ticket.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Also you missed a few other nonstop options.
Such as LX to either SFO/LAX

I ruled this out as the ZRH-DUB (my final destination) flight leaves before these arrive into ZRH.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
LH to LAX or SFO from either FRA or MUC etc

Also ruled out as there is no MUC-DUB flights offered by Star carriers and I dont think much of LH as a carrier generally so I think these could be my last preference.

One option I didnt mention would be via JFK and use the new SQ 388 service to FRA but I know SQ arent easy to get mileage flights on



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5358 times:

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 3):
It stands in the title that he is flying in J, so that doesn't metter I think

Oops, I just assumed Y, since that is what I usually fly  

In that case, I would definitely would choose NZ's new product, assuming the dates I want are available, and LAX-LHR is a good alternative (not too much of a detour).

Quoting EIRules (Reply 7):
One option I didnt mention would be via JFK and use the new SQ 388 service to FRA but I know SQ arent easy to get mileage flights on

Great product (have tried it LHR-SIN) on a great plane. But, would it be worth using the miles going all the way from the west coast when half of the flight is domestic (west coast-JFK)?

In this case, I would rather have the longer (ie LAX-LHR) in full International J-class product.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25183 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Ah OK J class -

Well then I would endorse both NZ and also the new United lie-flat premium product.

Have done about a dozen trips on UA since its introduction and its the best product in America, and quite competitive in a global setting.
I also always like LH for its efficiency and network, however the angled J class seats is beyond its prime so I'd pass on that.



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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3166 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

OP:

Are you purchasing or using miles? If miles, from which carrier.

If you have CO miles, you can use Virgin Atlantic as well. And if you are purchasing, you can purchase the VS flight as a CO codeshare, and earn EQM's.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

Swiss via SFO by all means especially with the new Airbus!

Best Business Class service you will be able to find!!!


  



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9612 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

Here's my order as comfort goes.


NZ 773 LAX-LHR Great service and seat. The best.
AC 777 YVR-LHR / AC 330 YVR-LHR Great seat and standard service levels.
UA 744 SFO-LHR Good seat (upper deck are really nice, but limited storage on main deck), ok service
UA 777 LAX-LHR Same as 747 (with IPTE), but not as good as upper deck
CO 752 LAX-DUB (VIA EWR) I'd avoid the long LAX-EWR flight on subpar seat and service compared to international standards, also EWR-DUB is short, so not much sleep
LH 330 SEA-FRA The seats are ok, but not horizontal, service is pretty standard in business
SK 330 ORD-ARN Seats are also not horizontal, service can be good or bad



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User currently offlinecastroprauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

If not NZ, I would go for LX. just love their new J.

User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 775 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

Thanks to everyone for your advice. However it seems my choice has been made for me due to lack of availability. There are no Y reward seats available for the entire week of 20th March on NZ LAX-LHR, UA LAX-LHR, AC YVR-LHR, CO EWR-DUB or LX LAX-ZRH.

So think I will have to fly DUB-EWR CO and JFK-DUB (via FRA) with SQ



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3166 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 14):

Thanks to everyone for your advice. However it seems my choice has been made for me due to lack of availability. There are no Y reward seats available for the entire week of 20th March on NZ LAX-LHR, UA LAX-LHR, AC YVR-LHR, CO EWR-DUB or LX LAX-ZRH.

So think I will have to fly DUB-EWR CO and JFK-DUB (via FRA) with SQ

I just did a search on the CO site. Again, CO/VS is showing C award space. If you have UA miles, transfer them to CO and use it for the award.

UA has F award space IAD-LHR on the 21st.
AC has C award space YYZ-LHR on the 21st.



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 775 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 15):
I just did a search on the CO site. Again, CO/VS is showing C award space. If you have UA miles, transfer them to CO and use it for the award.

UA has F award space IAD-LHR on the 21st.
AC has C award space YYZ-LHR on the 21st

I am using BD miles which rules out the first option. Dont have enough miles for F so that rules out option 2. And I am travelling from the west coast of US (SFO, LAX, SEA, YVR etc) so YYZ is no better than JFK and there is no availability on YVR-LHR



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3166 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 16):
I am using BD miles which rules out the first option. Dont have enough miles for F so that rules out option 2. And I am travelling from the west coast of US (SFO, LAX, SEA, YVR etc) so YYZ is no better than JFK and there is no availability on YVR-LHR

Ok, here's other options:

3/21
LH is available in C LAX-MUC-LHR
AC is available in Y LAX-YYZ and C YYZ-LHR

3/24
LH is available in C LAX-MUC-LHR

3/24
LH is available in C LAX-FRA-LHR
AC is available C LAX-YYZ-LHR



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 775 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5103 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 17):
3/21
LH is available in C LAX-MUC-LHR
AC is available in Y LAX-YYZ and C YYZ-LHR

3/24
LH is available in C LAX-MUC-LHR

3/24
LH is available in C LAX-FRA-LHR
AC is available C LAX-YYZ-LHR

I appreciate all the advice but please read my thoughts. I do not really want to fly LH, they have never been great anytime I have flown them. Further to that my final destination is DUB not LHR and there are no star flights MUC-DUB so LAX-MUC-LHR-DUB is way too much of a detour. And AC LAX-YYZ is that any better than CO LAX-EWR which would at least allow me to fly direct EWR-DUB rather than YYZ-LHR-DUB



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4802 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
AC 330 YVR-LHR Great seat and standard service levels.

9A on an AC A333 is the best TATL seat bar none in C, in my opinion. I used to be a fan of CO, I still think CO is very good, but AC is better.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 18):
And AC LAX-YYZ is that any better than CO LAX-EWR

Yes. Every mainline AC aircraft has AVOD front-to-back, and the pitch is the same or better.

There are however two downsides for you that I can think of.
You will have to clear Canadian immigration in YYZ (but not customs). It is a very quick affair, however, especially since you do so at dedicated counters reserved for passengers in international transit. It's never taken me more than a couple of minutes.
Service-wise (since you asked), I believe you will be last or next-to-last in placing your meal order with AC in C. They have a specific pecking order that puts all fare paying passengers first (ranked by frequent flyer status even) and that ends with award tickets and airline employees on free or reduced tickets.



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 775 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

So in the end I chose AC. Partly as my options were limited (only LH, AC and US were available on the dates I wanted) and partly as they are an airline I have never flown so will be another one to add to my list

My itinerary will read;
DUB-EWR CO 752
EWR-SEA CO 738
YVR-YEG AC E90
YEG-LHR AC 763
LHR-DUB BD 319

Thanks for all the advice



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
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