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BA Or EI For MAN-BOS  
User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

My parents are currently planning a family holiday next July to New England (flying into BOS). As my mum knows I'm (as she calls it) "an airline geek" she gave me the task of picking out who to fly with. After cutting out the US carriers (via JFK, EWR, ATL, ORD) due to the fact they were quite expensive, I narrowed it down to BA and EI. I've not flown EI before, however DUB T2 looks quite good and I believe there is customs pre-clearance for US flights. Their economy class also looks fine.

BA, I've flown long haul with them quite a few times and they use a 747-400 on the route (when I looked at the flight details) which I don't mind at all (not flown on a BA 747 yet, only a few SV ones). I don't mind LHR T5 either (I quite like it actually) and I am a blue Executive club member also (my dad was once a silver, but didn't fly often enough to keep it up, so he got bumped down, but he has a lot of miles earned on it).

EI has the best price however, but not very interesting equipment (I don't like an A320 unless it is IAE powered, love the sound of them and I've flown on countless A320s/A330-200/300s)

My other question is, I tried looking for EI BLK-DUB-BOS, but no flights came up, only BLK-DUB-JFK are available. Is there any reason for this? (is it something to do with Aer Arann operating the route?) BLK is more convenient and I want to try an ATR.

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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 778 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Ok the reason you cant book Blackpool - Boston is due to the flight timing from Blackpool - Dublin not getting into DUB to connect to the BOS flight.

I have flown economy with both BA and EI and while the BA service is a bit more polished and you do get free drink, for a flight as short as DUB-BOS I would choose EI with the pre-clearance in DUB, it can save you up to 2 hours at the other end.



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 hour ago) and read 3944 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 1):
Ok the reason you cant book Blackpool - Boston is due to the flight timing from Blackpool - Dublin not getting into DUB to connect to the BOS flight.

Ahh! I hadn't actually looked at the timings separately, it was just saying "no flights". I presumed having seen the adverts for "Blackpool-New York via Dublin" outside the airport, they'd do Boston too!

Quoting EIRules (Reply 1):
I have flown economy with both BA and EI and while the BA service is a bit more polished and you do get free drink, for a flight as short as DUB-BOS I would choose EI with the pre-clearance in DUB, it can save you up to 2 hours at the other end.

Yeah, the pre-clearence is a benefit, however my parents (my dad quite a few times) have flown into BOS before and have said that it isn't that bad at immigration (though I think the last time either of them flew through it was at least 18 years ago...). Free drink for me isn't too much of an issue (tbh, I don't really drink on flights, did a couple of times on AF but they had some decent French wine) - my Dad however might want a beer down to LHR then more on the BOS flight (I was surprised to see BA offering a full bar service on 30 minute domestic flights when I last flew with them back in April!).

BA also gives us some timing flexibility (though I have stressed, I don't want to be on a code-share on AA... I like the 757, but not on a 7 hour flight. I've been on an A319ER/LR with AF to Riyadh many times for 6 hours and that felt claustrophobic after a while)


User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years ago) and read 3924 times:

The BA service is probably going to be of a higher standard on this occasion. The Aer Lingus Regional flights from BLK unfortunately do not connect with the BOS flight, which is a shame, as that would have been an interesting option for you. I use that flight regularly just to DUB and it's very convenient.

When I went to BOS a few years ago from MAN I flew Swiss via ZRH as the fare was cheaper than BA and I rate their service as better. However, I am not the sort that minds an extra flight in the 'wrong direction'!  

Recently, when I've looked at BOS, Icelandair via KEF has been cheaper than EI/BA. They are pleasant airline, however they are BOB!  


User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Hi Eurowings

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 3):
The BA service is probably going to be of a higher standard on this occasion. The Aer Lingus Regional flights from BLK unfortunately do not connect with the BOS flight, which is a shame, as that would have been an interesting option for you. I use that flight regularly just to DUB and it's very convenient.

Yeah, BLK would be convenient as it's 40 minutes to MAN from where I live, but 20 to BLK (and BLK has free parking). Plus I wanted to try out BLK from a passenger perspective (I fly out regularly for flying lessons, but never been through the terminal before). However, I know BA quite well and over the past year I've seen them go up in service (and I've not had a late flight in a while with them too). I could possibly trip report my great experience with BA back in April, but I only got a landing video at RUH, and one or two pics from MAN (plus nothing exciting really, except the return when I was ill).

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 3):
When I went to BOS a few years ago from MAN I flew Swiss via ZRH as the fare was cheaper than BA and I rate their service as better. However, I am not the sort that minds an extra flight in the 'wrong direction'!  

However (back on topic) I have flown Swiss (on their A330-200/A320 back nearly 3 years ago RUH-ZRH-MAN I wasn't overly impressed by them, but they were cheapest for Business class at the time).

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 3):
Recently, when I've looked at BOS, Icelandair via KEF has been cheaper than EI/BA. They are pleasant airline, however they are BOB!  

Funny you should mention Icelandair... I'm actually going to be flying with them on a school trip in October to KEF from MAN. I might give that a go if I'm impressed with their service etc and if the BOB is reasonably priced and a decent selection, I might give them a go! However, it's the old stuck in the 757 thing again (though 2 shorter flights). I actually love the 757, but just not for a long flight... not a fan of long narrow-body flights unless the aircraft is almost empty, then I'm happy! (private jet feel)
 


User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 4):
Yeah, BLK would be convenient as it's 40 minutes to MAN from where I live, but 20 to BLK (and BLK has free parking). Plus I wanted to try out BLK from a passenger perspective (I fly out regularly for flying lessons, but never been through the terminal before).

Well, it's nothing special. The passenger terminal is rather small, and consists of a few check-in desks, one security channel, and a small departure lounge. The facilities only open when there is a flight departing. Plus, in return for free parking (and that can become full easily too!) you must of course pay the ADF £10 fee, which isn't unsubstantial on a short-haul flight.

Quoting planejamie (Reply 4):
However (back on topic) I have flown Swiss (on their A330-200/A320 back nearly 3 years ago RUH-ZRH-MAN I wasn't overly impressed by them, but they were cheapest for Business class at the time).

I've only ever flown Economy Class with Swiss, but I have always been impressed with the service onboard and the handling of a long delay on one flight. I've had mixed experiences on BA, although I have only flown them long-haul a couple of times. I'd say transatlantic, they are both better than the offering from AA or CO (sorry..UA), but that's just my personal opinion and the fact I tend to favour European and Asian airlines.

[Edited 2011-09-24 11:15:19]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27005 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Id go BA personally the onboard product is much better than EI. If that doesn't bother you too much then the Pre clearance in DUB and the New T2 would be the only advantage to take EI.

User currently onlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 4):
Funny you should mention Icelandair... I'm actually going to be flying with them on a school trip in October to KEF from MAN.

Have a nice time! I live in Seltjarnarnes (5 km west of RKV). Only flown KEF-MAN once (KEF-MAN-CDG on FI and AF) and MAN was nice! Considering MAN-KEF-BOS, it should be fine! KEF-BOS can be down to 5 hrs, and I've once got a 3hr55min flying time on BOS-KEF (that was amazing! we landed 1hr10minutes ahead of schedule!) tho the flight is usually 4 1/2 hr. Also, there is a IFE on all FI planes (except TF-LLX and TF-FIK but they only fly Euro flights and will be retrofitted with new seats quickly, at least it will be done in July)

Let us know what you choose!

Regards,
Sveinn TH.

P.S. When in October will you fly? I'm flying KEF-SFB on Oct 14 (in J   )and I would maybe meet you at the airport. The flight is 8 hrs but I never fell claustrophobic on FI (although I usually fly Saga Class (J) because my dad worked as a vice president for FI Group last 5 years or something but now works for IceLease, a FI Group company)



Flights flown: 280 - Airlines: 40 - Airports: 64 - Next flights: KEF-BOS-EWR-PBI-TPA/SFB-KEF
User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Thanks for the quick replies guys!

@EuroWings

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 5):
Well, it's nothing special. The passenger terminal is rather small, and consists of a few check-in desks, one security channel, and a small departure lounge. The facilities only open when there is a flight departing. Plus, in return for free parking (and that can become full easily too!) you must of course pay the ADF £10 fee, which isn't unsubstantial on a short-haul flight.

Very true, I thought it was £5! Wow, well, I'd put the £10 towards an off-peak train ticket to Manchester via Preston or a taxi... (I prefer the taxi for holidays due to luggage, unless going spotting then the train is better). I'm amazed it's end of September and Car Park 2 (by the academy) is still packed! So very true about parking there, to be honest, it isn't very secure (open gates) and you also risk having your car stuffed in due to how people pack into the car parks. After my horrific flight with US a few years ago (PHL-MAN) I've ruled them out straight away (seems odd that other US carriers operate 757s into MAN most of the time, yet US has a daily A330!)

@OA260

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Id go BA personally the onboard product is much better than EI. If that doesn't bother you too much then the Pre clearance in DUB and the New T2 would be the only advantage to take EI.

Yeah, I quite like Terminal 5 at LHR for transferring (Domestic to International takes only 2 minutes normally) and like the airside views it has.

@SRQKEF

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 7):
Have a nice time! I live in Seltjarnarnes (5 km west of RKV). Only flown KEF-MAN once (KEF-MAN-CDG on FI and AF) and MAN was nice! Considering MAN-KEF-BOS, it should be fine! KEF-BOS can be down to 5 hrs, and I've once got a 3hr55min flying time on BOS-KEF (that was amazing! we landed 1hr10minutes ahead of schedule!) tho the flight is usually 4 1/2 hr. Also, there is a IFE on all FI planes (except TF-LLX and TF-FIK but they only fly Euro flights and will be retrofitted with new seats quickly, at least it will be done in July)

Yeah, I heard FI have the Thales i5000 system fitted to most of the fleet. Do they still operate the 1 757-300 they have or is it all -200s now? Also, what was transiting at Manchester like - always been interested in that, I see the signs for it, but wonder who uses it and what it's actually like! I had a similar experience flying to RUH from LHR on BA back in April, we had quite a tail wind and the actual flight was only about 5:30 as opposed to 6:30. However, those pesky GE engines on the older 777s caused a slight delay as a new part was fitted to one and it needed to be run up at the gate to test it, which in turn caused us get delayed due to ATC, but we arrived bang ontime in RUH in the end!

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 7):
P.S. When in October will you fly? I'm flying KEF-SFB on Oct 14 (in J   )

Unfortunately, it will be towards the end of October (during the "half term" break the schools have here in the UK). However if ever you are at MAN or BLK, I'd be happy to meet up!

Orlando sounds good, do FI not fly to MCO? I've not been at SFB, only MCO with BA and US.


I am certainly adding FI to the shortlist with BA and EI! I did look at some Star Alliance carriers as my dad has a BD diamond club Silver (is actually now just turning Gold again) and he wants to earn/spend miles and use the benefits of his elite-ness. Whilst BD don't do well elsewhere, they make a killing on the RUH flights after BA dropped out in 2003, though BA are upping their flights again now (they returned in 2008/2009) so as my dad has worked in Riyadh since the late 90s, he's earned a lot of miles flying J on both carriers (and LH/LX). But they're all very pricey or lack in service. I would try LX again, but my parents would prefer a more "local" airport to transfer through (we've not had a good experience with LX and ZRH running through the airport both ways... it's put them off!)


User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 8):
Yeah, I quite like Terminal 5 at LHR for transferring (Domestic to International takes only 2 minutes normally) and like the airside views it has.

I don't mind LHR T5, but my last BA longhaul flight involved an inter-terminal transfer to T3 with airside buses and all. I prefer AMS, MUC or ZRH as a transfer hub to inter-terminal at LHR, although CDG is quite poor. However, if you're in a mad rush, then a connection is rarely pleasant.

The EI/RE flights arrive into T1 at DUB and all other EI flights depart from T2. However, the terminals are linked airside so it isn't much of an issue.

Quoting planejamie (Reply 8):
Very true, I thought it was £5! Wow, well, I'd put the £10 towards an off-peak train ticket to Manchester via Preston or a taxi... (I prefer the taxi for holidays due to luggage, unless going spotting then the train is better). I'm amazed it's end of September and Car Park 2 (by the academy) is still packed! So very true about parking there, to be honest, it isn't very secure (open gates) and you also risk having your car stuffed in due to how people pack into the car parks

Yes, well they lost FR over the £10 charge. I personally don't agree with it as I don't believe it is being used for "development", but rather as a means of keeping the airport open for commercial traffic. There has been a number of criticisms of BLK's management, not least when they upset their largest customer, LS, over the issue of early closing.

Quoting planejamie (Reply 8):
I am certainly adding FI to the shortlist with BA and EI! I did look at some Star Alliance carriers as my dad has a BD diamond club Silver (is actually now just turning Gold again) and he wants to earn/spend miles and use the benefits of his elite-ness. Whilst BD don't do well elsewhere, they make a killing on the RUH flights after BA dropped out in 2003, though BA are upping their flights again now (they returned in 2008/2009) so as my dad has worked in Riyadh since the late 90s, he's earned a lot of miles flying J on both carriers (and LH/LX). But they're all very pricey or lack in service. I would try LX again, but my parents would prefer a more "local" airport to transfer through (we've not had a good experience with LX and ZRH running through the airport both ways... it's put them off!)


I have heard good things about FI, but only from people who used them on UK-Iceland only, you could perhaps read some trip reports on here about them to the States. I don't tie myself to alliances (don't fly long-haul frequently enough), which is a good and bad thing. I have tried some more 'exotic' options such as Kuwait Airways LHR - JFK and I am tempted by SQ's FRA-JFK with A380 (although that is Star).

[Edited 2011-09-24 14:50:16]

[Edited 2011-09-24 14:51:42]

User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 9):
I don't mind LHR T5, but my last BA longhaul flight involved an inter-terminal transfer to T3 with airside buses and all. I prefer AMS, MUC or ZRH as a transfer hub to inter-terminal at LHR, although CDG is quite poor. However, if you're in a mad rush, then a connection is rarely pleasant.

True actually, ZRH I did get through in under 20 minutes, the same actually applies to LHR T5 as back in December (if you read my TR on BD and the snow, I think I mentioned this at the bottom) I was whisked through T5 by a BA member of staff (I was on the cheapest economy fare or an award ticket, can't remember which) and as we were late in (every flight from RUH is normally a bit late, it's fairly common) so our flight had to wait for a gate and it was already a tightish connection up to MAN, I got through from T5B through fast track and everything to the domestic gates in under 20 minutes, and I wasn't the last one on the plane! The flight to MAN (an A319) left bang on time with no problem! That put away all my doubts about T5! The luggage missed it, but came up on the next flight and was delivered to me the next day. T5-T3 I can imagine is a pain, though I hope they do at some point extend the train to Terminal 3. Might upset the flow of arrivals/departures though...

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 9):
Yes, well they lost FR over the £10 charge. I personally don't agree with it as I don't believe it is being used for "development", but rather as a means of keeping the airport open for commercial traffic. There has been a number of criticisms of BLK's management, not least when they upset their largest customer, LS, over the issue of early closing.

They must have easily made over £500 out of me in landing fees (only done 15 hours now!) mainly due to charging for every touch and go (£11.50ish I think for the landing fee for me) I make in a circuit... then again, every airport does this pretty much (except Walney Island who charge once)

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 9):
I have heard good things about FI, but only from people who used them on UK-Iceland only, you could perhaps read some trip reports on here about them to the States. I don't tie myself to alliances (don't fly long-haul frequently enough), which is a good and bad thing. I have tried some more 'exotic' options such as Kuwait Airways LHR - JFK and I am tempted by SQ's FRA-JFK with A380 (although that is Star).

I'd love to try Kuwait's A300 sometime... not been on an A300/A310, I saw them a few times at RUH (though a few more recent times it's been the A320s) and always thought about trying them. I'm all for exotic carriers (e.g. I've flown Oman Air, Saudi Arabian, Cathay Pacific - which is exotic for me really given only cargo comes to MAN).

I'll see what FI are like in October when I fly MAN-KEF (I'll do a TR if possible for it, not seen an FI one for a while). I think it could well be BA due to better flight timings and the fact that I want to try out their Windows Phone 7 app for real ... (they were the first airline with an app for WP7)


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