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Newer J Class Design Philosophy  
User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2431 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

I’m not sure what kind of response this will get but I wanted to see what other “A.netters” out there think.

I’m one that thinks Business Class should have a design / philosophy that fits between First and Economy class, like in it's infancy. A product better than Economy but doesn’t quite approach First. What drives this idea is lie-flat business in a tri-class configuration. I can embrace the idea of lie-flat business in a two class configuration, but I personally find it confusing in a tri-class.

Why not have a very comfortable cradle type seat where you could have more seats, which would also mean a less expensive product than a lie flat one?

Now, I realize that there may be something about this that “I just don’t get it”. I know, I know! Hard to believe, but I’m hoping to be enlightened.

Regards.


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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3164 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

A very interesting question. If you think about it, business class originally a step below most airline's premium economy today. Companies who would not foot the bill for employees to fly F put them in C instead.

Now, C is verboten for many employees.



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Why not have a very comfortable cradle type seat where you could have more seats, which would also mean a less expensive product than a lie flat one?

Yes you could have this but it would not meet the sleep requirement.
You sleep BETTER on a FLAT bed.
That is the human body.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9595 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

When business class was originally conceived, it was about 38-45'' pitch. It was just a cradle seat that was more comfortable for Y. The reason why it kept improving was airlines were trying to out-do their competitors. Fares are relatively consistent in business class, so having a better seat would attract more customers.

Here's rough pitch by year for the average carrier
1990: 40''
1995: 50''
2000: 55''
2005: 60'' (lie flat)
2010: 75'' (Fully flat)

With that said, premium economy started showign up around 2000, and in 2010 it started becoming commonplace in many airlines and again we are back to about 40'' just like we were in 1990. If the cycle continues, premium economy will be come more common and eventually it will get more and more pitch with time. Premium economy is replacing business class as business is replacing first. The reason is all psychological. Companies won't pay first, but will pay business.



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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Thread starter):
Why not have a very comfortable cradle type seat where you could have more seats, which would also mean a less expensive product than a lie flat one?

Because that isn't necessarily true. Some of the new J-class designs are very creative in how they utilize the cabin space, and end up not taking up that much more room than the recliners they replace.

Quoting PC12Fan (Thread starter):
Now, I realize that there may be something about this that “I just don’t get it”

What you don't get is that there's a lot of us who will never ever not in a million years be able to afford a magnificent suite with sliding doors... and certainly appreciate a flat surface to sleep on in J.


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