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Is CSA's New PRG-AUH The Longest Airbus 321 Route?  
User currently offlinecanadiantree From France, joined Jun 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Did a search on the forum and couldn't find an answer. The above route will be operated by OK's own metal and is stated as follows:
-OK 350 PRG-AUH 10:35 PM-07:30 AM (+1) 2,778 mi (4,471 km) block time: 5:55
-OK 353 AUH-PRG 02:35 AM-06:00 AM 2,778 mi (4,471 km) block time: 6:25

This seems like an extremely long haul for an A321... Can the plane actually operate this route safely without refuelling?

Thanks to the pros on this forum for their forthcoming insight!

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User currently offlineLucce From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

Thomas Cook Airlines operates flights HEL-LPA with their A321 fitted with extra tanks. Great circle map says HEL-LPA is 4700km or 2920mi, so a bit longer. The flight schedule below is copied from Tjäreborg, a semi-Finnish travel agency (I removed the non-essential Finnish text to avoid clutter)

Helsinki, Suomi 7:45
Gran Canaria, Espanja 12:05
6 tuntia 20 min
Thomas Cook Airlines
Airbus A321

Gran Canaria, Espanja, 9.11.2011, 13:25
Helsinki, Suomi, 9.11.2011, 21:35
6 tuntia 10 min
Thomas Cook Airlines
Airbus A321

So to answer you question, there probably will be a payload restriction. The Thomas Cook A321, although packed with over 200 seats, carries very little load in the hold per the airlines very tight luggage restrictions. And as said earlier, they have extra fuel tanks to make the trip.

AY has sometimes had to cover broken a 757 with an A321 on that route and they have had to make a fuel stop in France to make it.

[Edited 2011-10-22 06:37:15]

[Edited 2011-10-22 06:38:28]

User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3007 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

BD fly an A321 on LHR-IKA. According to gcmap it's 2754mi. Close but no cigar  

signol



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User currently offlineSomedayTrijet From China, joined Nov 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

Charter airline Novair operates ARN-SHJ-GOI and ARN-SHJ-CMB with it's A321s. The ARN-SHJ segment is 2974 miles, not bad for the A321!

I Would not like to be on these flights!      



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User currently offlineSomedayTrijet From China, joined Nov 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

Charter airline Novair operates ARN-SHJ-GOI and ARN-SHJ-CMB with it's A321s. The ARN-SHJ segment is 2974 miles, not bad for the A321!

I would not like to be on these flights!      



Flown on: ATR72-5, Q300, E190, E195, A319/20/21, A332/3, 734/6/G/8, 744, 752/3, 763ER, 772ER/LR
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

I thought 4 hours 15 mins on a very cramped and uncomfortable Monarch A321 from LTN-LCA was bad enough.

Maybe the charter airlines need to consolidate seats onto larger aircraft rather than send these short / medium haul aircraft on something close to a long haul route.

PRG-AUH 10:35 PM-07:30 AM (+1)
AUH-PRG 02:35 AM-06:00 AM

Those timings are odd as the aircraft is sitting on the ground at AUH for around for 19 hours, if I read that correctly.

[Edited 2011-10-24 08:35:42]

User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4430 times:
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Quoting Babybus (Reply 5):
PRG-AUH 10:35 PM-07:30 AM (+1)
AUH-PRG 02:35 AM-06:00 AM

Those timings are odd as the aircraft is sitting on the ground at AUH for around for 19 hours, if I read that correctly

If the flight is only once a week, the same crew will fly both legs, and rest during those 19 hours. I'm pretty sure that's how it works.



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User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 5):
PRG-AUH 10:35 PM-07:30 AM (+1)
AUH-PRG 02:35 AM-06:00 AM

Those timings are odd as the aircraft is sitting on the ground at AUH for around for 19 hours, if I read that correctly.

Definitely not like this, there is a mistake, somebody messed up the times, the schedule is as follows:

]PRG-AUH 10:35 PM-02:35 AM (+1)
AUH-PRG 07:30 AM-06:00 AM



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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 589 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Well actually the schedule is this:

..3...7 PRG AUH 1115 2010 OK 352 32S
1..4... PRG AUH 2235# 0730 OK 350 32S

1..4... AUH PRG 0235 0600 OK 353 32S
.2..5.. AUH PRG 0950 1315 OK 351 32S


Does not specify which type of 32S, so any of these could be 321



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User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 8):
Does not specify which type of 32S, so any of these could be 321

Exactly! What I know from my sources in OK, the route is mainly flown with A319 and the loads are not great. I am scared the route might be shut down soon   Which would not suprise me with OK, they are very skilled and adding routes which they promtly cancel.

BTW, thanks 330lover for the exact schedule!

Adam



Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
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