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AIrline Dress Codes...is It Time?  
User currently offlineN49WA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7737 times:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ENGERS-wear-dress-code-planes.html

What are your thoughts?

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7671 times:

This really has nothing pertaining to airplanes, but just being in a public place that is private property. It's the same as if someone went into a restaurant looking like that. An airline should be able to refuse service to a person dressed completely inappropriate. The article says that the man would change if requested.


If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineN49WA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

I agree. I can't understand the seemingly lack of common sense of passengers who "dress down" for a flight. I don't think we need to go back to the 1950's and 60's custom of suits and ties, but a modicum of decency would be appropriate.

User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

I don't see what the issue is... If that man can't fly because he might make others feel uncomfortable, then the airline better also develop policies for people who snore, can't manage their body odour, have loud voices, annoying laughs, have their headphones turned up too high, have strange hairstyles, have loud keyboards on their laptops etc. I reckon that people should be allowed to dress however they like...

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7581 times:

YES YES YES YES YES!
AND YES AGAIN!

But to be fair, just like in the hotel or restaurant industry, you could have different
standards across the market. you can turn up to McDonalds looking like trash and that's
okay, but if you go into a 5 star Michelin chef's restaurant you would expect a higher standard
of presentation.

It actually could be a really good idea for one american carrier to try and get a 'premium' feel back onboard.
There are plenty of people out there that would rather a bit more of a pleasant environment and probably would
be prepared to pay a few bucks extra if part of the package was 'away from the riff raff' and a little higher service
standards. Those who don't like it (ie - ur just a bunch of fricken snobs etc) well, there are plenty of low cost
options for them and they'd probably be happier there anyway. Some people like to eat at a truck stop, some
people are happy to pay for something more sophisticated. (that would make the other group feel uncomfortable
in any case). Why not cater to both? The riff raff can spill beer all over themselves on Ryanair, and we can
pull out the Prada gear and enjoy the Champange? Everybody's happy!

[Edited 2011-11-25 20:04:17]

User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2078 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7580 times:

Your decency is someone else's stuffy 50's era dress. As with anything in a free society, we always seem to sink to the lowest personal standards.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7564 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 3):
I don't see what the issue is... If that man can't fly because he might make others feel uncomfortable, then the airline better also develop policies for people who snore, can't manage their body odour, have loud voices, annoying laughs, have their headphones turned up too high, have strange hairstyles, have loud keyboards on their laptops etc. I reckon that people should be allowed to dress however they like...

While I understand your point, I think there should be common decency and a man (or a woman either) should not be allowed on a plane wearing womens lingerie. Not appropriate and indescency. There are places where it is allowed, but not in a cramped airplane cabin. It shouldn't be allowed on a subway, bus, restaurant, or mall either. Wear that at home or an establishment where it is acceptable (preferably an over 21 years old establishment or somewhere else where revealing clothing is acceptable)



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlinerendezvous From New Zealand, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7445 times:

Whatever is acceptable to wear in public should also be acceptable to wear on the aeroplane. There will always be styles of clothing that someone doesn't like.

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7401 times:

While it's a nice sentiment, it won't happen, because airlines won't do something that drives paying passengers away. The loss of passengers will more than likely offset the increase of those who decide to fly because of the dress code. And of course, other airlines will always be right there to invite those shunned on board their planes.

User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7261 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
I think there should be common decency and a man (or a woman either) should not be allowed on a plane wearing womens lingerie. Not appropriate and indescency.

Fair enough. Any person who is stripped down to their underwear is perhaps taking it a little too far, but I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to wear a pair of trackies and a comfortable old (and perhaps a bit tatty) jumper on a 24 hour Y flight from Australia to Europe...


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7257 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 8):

While it's a nice sentiment, it won't happen, because airlines won't do something that drives paying passengers away.

Well Qantas has basically already managed to do it with Jetstar. The two passenger groups look very different. Even where they are on the same route, like SYD-BNE/MEL . Of course there is no need for it to be enforced, the passengers just naturally gravitate to were they belong. Not a bad thing in my opinion. Imagine if say AA had the guts to lift the standards a little bit and become 'carrier of choice' for those who travel more frequently and appreciate things a little more civilized onboard? It could be a way for them out of their current problems. Singapore wins because the promise is 'the golden bird means better'. Maybe somebody could do the same with the AA and it's eagle.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
I think there should be common decency and a man (or a woman either) should not be allowed on a plane wearing womens lingerie. Not appropriate and indescency.

Fair enough. Any person who is stripped down to their underwear is perhaps taking it a little too far, but I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to wear a pair of trackies and a comfortable old (and perhaps a bit tatty) jumper on a 24 hour Y flight from Australia to Europe...

I totally agree with you. I think casual clothing is perfectly acceptable when flying for paying passengers in any class. Airplanes are uncomfortable places to be regardless of class of service, so casual comfortable clothes make sense. Many times the people in first and business class are the most casual on long haul flights. Nobody is wearing shoes, many have slipped into pajamas or came dressed down.

My point is in reference to the article about a man boarding an airplane wearing lingerie that no one who is commenting on the thread seems to have read.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):
My point is in reference to the article about a man boarding an airplane wearing lingerie that no one who is commenting on the thread seems to have read.

That story is old news. The article is just rehashing stories from the past year to get a little more mileage out of them. They were all separately discussed ad nauseum.


User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7129 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 8):
Fair enough. Any person who is stripped down to their underwear is perhaps taking it a little too far, but I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to wear a pair of trackies and a comfortable old (and perhaps a bit tatty) jumper on a 24 hour Y flight from Australia to Europe...

That's me: track pants, jumper, slide-in shoes. Comfortable with another side effect: it is metal free (no belt, studs or anything else) so I can fly through security (if the idiots in front of me did not have 17 bags, 4 coats, shawls, belts, high heels with steel, and they arrive at security ignoring all signs and behaving as if the fly for the very first time in their life...)

But if a guy dressed in womans lingerie tries to sit next to me, I will make a racket and refuse to sit next to him. And I think these cases are so extreme, a mental hospital would be a better option. It has nothing to do with dress codes.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6973 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
An airline should be able to refuse service to a person dressed completely inappropriate.

They are able to, I just wish they exercised that right more frequently.

Quoting rendezvous (Reply 7):
Whatever is acceptable to wear in public should also be acceptable to wear on the aeroplane.

Totally disagree. Public space is that, public, but an airline cabin is private space, where standards can, and should be, higher. I will put up with the guy in lingerie walking down the street because it is his street as much as mine, but if we both find ourselves at a decent sit-down restaurant, I expect management to choose between his business or mine, or I'll make the choice for myself...

I generally don't care what people wear onboard or in public, including baggy pants, cleavage down to one's navel, etc... It is not my business if someone wants to look like a clown after all. I do object to clothing that the vast majority of us find offensive, however (yes, the tyranny of the majority) because at that point, it isn't about one's comfort, or freedom of expression, or sense of style, it is about being unnecessarily but willfully offensive and creating a hostile environment, for no good purpose at all.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):
Nobody is wearing shoes, many have slipped into pajamas or came dressed down.

That is actually my biggest beef. Airline provided pjs are one thing, but I draw the line at one bringing one's own. Why? Because I have seen more than once a suspect stain, and I don't want to have to think about how long it's been there and when was the last time that garment has been cleaned, not to speak of whether or not I might be sat in their seat on the next flight.

[Edited 2011-11-25 22:39:48]


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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6939 times:

if you want to upgrade to business/first, YES!!


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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

If airlines want bring back better travel attire...then they need bring back the service that came with it..

Who wants dress up to be treated like crap?

..but 'NO', I wouldn't wanna sit next to him...

BN747



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 16):
If airlines want bring back better travel attire...then they need bring back the service that came with it..

Who wants dress up to be treated like crap?

..but 'NO', I wouldn't wanna sit next to him...

BN747

BEST answer in the entire thread!!



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

Isn't that the new VS uniform ?


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User currently offlineiainbhx From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 15):
if you want to upgrade to business/first, YES!!

Well, it will make the game of spot the OpUp even easier for those of us in Business/First.

I can assure you, on longhaul C/F - it gets very casual, Chinos and a polo shirt for a day flight for me, but for the night flight either the supplied PJ's or my freshly-laundered ones if the airline doesn't supply them or haven't got my size.

I am not going to pay 5k for a ticket to SIN/HKG etc and be told I have to wear a collar and tie.



iainbhx
User currently offlineGrid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Why should

Quoting rendezvous (Reply 7):
Whatever is acceptable to wear in public should also be acceptable to wear on the aeroplane. There will always be styles of clothing that someone doesn't like.

Yeah, I don't know why people - probably just aviation enthusiasts - think that people on airplanes should have a different dress code compared to the general public.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
Fair enough. Any person who is stripped down to their underwear is perhaps taking it a little too far, but I don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to wear a pair of trackies and a comfortable old (and perhaps a bit tatty) jumper on a 24 hour Y flight from Australia to Europe...

Agreed. I'd say if you can walk out your door, get on bus or train or walk through public, there should be no reason why you are acceptable to board an aircraft.



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User currently offlineGVAJFKflyer From Switzerland, joined Aug 2009, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

Policies won't do much, unfortunately, if one is not able, on his/her own, to use

Quoting N49WA (Reply 2):
common sense

and apply reasonable

Quoting N49WA (Reply 2):
decency

  

as to the appropriate attire, personal hygiene, noise level (voice, laughs, headphones, keyboards ...)

[Edited 2011-11-26 04:24:15]

User currently offlineGVAJFKflyer From Switzerland, joined Aug 2009, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 13):
if the idiots in front of me did not have 17 bags, 4 coats, shawls, belts, high heels with steel, and they arrive at security ignoring all signs and behaving as if the fly for the very first time in their life...

I thought it only happened to me ...


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 14):
I generally don't care what people wear onboard or in public, including baggy pants, cleavage down to one's navel, etc... It is not my business if someone wants to look like a clown after all. I do object to clothing that the vast majority of us find offensive, however (yes, the tyranny of the majority) because at that point, it isn't about one's comfort, or freedom of expression, or sense of style, it is about being unnecessarily but willfully offensive and creating a hostile environment, for no good purpose at all.

Definitely, you can't complain about everything that people wear, unless their actually doing it to offend. Pity there's a few airline staff that don't seem to realise it


User currently onlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 4):
but if you go into a 5 star Michelin chef's restaurant you would expect a higher standard
of presentation.




I believe the Michelin restaurants are awarded one, two, or three stars. no such thing as a 5 star Michelin rating


25 kl911 : very well said, people should mind their own business instead of critizing others. Its my seat on a plane and i will dress the way I want to. Some pe
26 srbmod : Society as a whole has seemed to have dressed down to the point that it has become acceptable by many to go out in public wearing clothing that in the
27 EricAY05 : This is not directly related to the link provided, but I believe I could still post this considering the other replies. This is what I do on intercont
28 mplsjefe : I have to disagree here. I have elite status and I wear flip-flops on flights all the time, and my feet smell a lot better having been in flip-flops
29 EricAY05 : I've never been on a 16h flight, so I wouldn't know, but on all the 12h and shorter flights I've been on they have been just fine. Absolutely no probl
30 mplsjefe : I'm not 'really big' and do just fine in bathrooms, but can easily see how dirty and disgusting they get through a flight. We were once on a flight f
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