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Please Help Identify This Vintage Interior  
User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3869 times:

I came across this image on the interwebs. I don't own the image and uploading it would be a violation of the terms of service so I'm linking to it:

http://worldofwonder.net/posts/2011/12/02/have-a-great-weekend/

Questions:

Year estimate? Aircraft? Airline? What is the console between the seats and what is it for? Also, what are those round jars and what would have gone in them? Does anybody else notice anything I've missed??

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3841 times:

From the seat fabric and designs on the wall, I'm going to say TWA coach on a 707 in the mid-60s (also based on the ads in the magazines—Hamilton Beach on the tray would obviously be the USA). Looks like there's some sort of tray that fit over the armrests of the folded down middle seat.


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User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3752 times:

I can't make out the logo on the white drink stirrer with the circular head that is sitting right of the glass with the clear liquid and ice in it on the tray. What the heck are those two things in plasic cases to the left of the glass, camera lenses in clear cases?

User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3718 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
TWA coach

Yowzer! This is what coach used to be like? This looks nicer than some/most domestic US first class seats today.



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

The console between the seats is the middle seat folded down to make a table, they used to do that. Looks very much like 707 coach. You got real glassware and silverware, free hot meals and no baggage fee.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3078 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

I got a warning from my malware provider that's loaded on my notebook computer when hitting the link...Just FYI


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User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
I got a warning from my malware provider that's loaded on my notebook computer when hitting the link...Just FYI

I don't know why you'd get that but it's totally a legit site. There the people who produce all the tori spelling reality shows. Also rupaul's drag race.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Quoting loggat (Reply 3):
Yowzer! This is what coach used to be like?

If you ever want to see what coach on a TWA 707 looked like, rent What's Up Doc? with Ryan O'Neal and Barbra Streisand, then fast-forward to near the very end. I'd bet real money they filmed in a real interior, instead of using a set (but who knows?).

Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 4):
The console between the seats is the middle seat folded down to make a table, they used to do that.

If you look closely at the armrests, there are no ashtrays, and the tray looks like a bi-level apparatus. Compare to this photo of the center seats folded down:

http://images45.fotki.com/v1424/photos/2/211932/7067669/TWA7072-vi.jpg



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User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

That's amazing. It never occurred to me that it might be coach. In a related comment, air travel today really sucks.

User currently offlinem404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2222 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3545 times:
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I'd have to agree with the TWA 707 interior. The wall design possibly related later with the "Fifth Dimension" advertising of Balloons in "Up,Up, and away" And yes, the lay down seatbacks IF you had an empty next door was great if the did sit flat. Rermember, that was when it was profitable.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15695 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting panpan (Reply 8):
In a related comment, air travel today really sucks.

It's also far cheaper.



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User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3515 times:
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I'd say TWA too based on images in these two papers:

Photo on page one here:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...RmCuCg&sig2=D0tNr4MmUGHbdgvqwm3L5A

Photo on page four here:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...knCKSA&sig2=Js-Yd9PvmZK6a9osrZ5EKw


User currently offlinegeorgiaame From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 942 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

The wall balloons are the real clue here. At first I thought a DC-8 because the windows look really large. HOWEVER, the DC-8 had side curtains, and that funny reading light on the seat. The seat - looks awfully wide, esp. the head rest areas. I don't remember them in coach. (Notice, I didn't say steerage.) Several airlines did have fold down middle seats, but this looks REALLY wide. My money is on a 2-2 deal in first, with the aisle seat folded down. The arm rests are really wide, and I don't think they would be compatible with coach 3-3 seating. Anyway, one thing I'm certain of, and that is that the ugly broad with the big glass of booze is my Aunt Minnie, may she rest in peace.


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3078 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Quoting panpan (Reply 6):
Quoting panpan (Reply 6):
I don't know why you'd get that but it's totally a legit site.

I don't know either just sayin'. Great campy pic anyway ....



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3592 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
It's also far cheaper.

It's a bit cheaper. It's not "far" cheaper. And first class is actually more expensive even adjusting for inflation. It used to be within the realm of average people to afford. My family used to fly first class all the time, paying regular first class fare. Now it's almost all businessmen and women and frequent fliers.

I still have receipts from 1979 showing that my parents paid about $400 to fly me EWR-SFO in coach. My last trip JFK-PDX, I paid almost $1,000 (flying at the last minute). If anything, there's just more variation in the fares now. You can get a really cheap flight, but you can also end up paying pretty much the same as you would have in 1979 when adjusting for inflation, especially with bag fees and food costs added in (which used to be included). Airlines have learned how to maximize revenue depending on the situation. And obviously they've learned how to maximize revenue per square inch.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4920 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

I'm going to go with TWA as well. They were the first with the fold down center seatback, and the balloons were a common on bulkheads too. And I have seen that brown/tan burlap like wall covering below the windows on TW's 747's before as far back as 1970.
So I'm gonna say this was a TW 707.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

This could help:
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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © James Richard Covington



User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 12):
The arm rests are really wide, and I don't think they would be compatible with coach 3-3 seating.

If you look at the armrest by the window, it's normal coach sized. Plus look at the seat back in front of Aunt Minnie.   It has a coach-sized pull-down tray table. I don't think there was a tray table in the seat back of TWA's 707s in First. The seat pitch was too great (IIRC). There's a comparison of the two seats in this link:

http://images27.fotki.com/v994/photos/2/211932/7067669/TWA707-vi.jpg

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 14):
It's a bit cheaper. It's not "far" cheaper. And first class is actually more expensive even adjusting for inflation.

Tru dat! The round-trip completely unrestricted walk-up fare JFK-LHR was $1,494 in First in 1979. JFK-SFO same type of ticket was $294 each way in First.

I did SFO-EWR/JFK-SFO in June '79 for $102 each way on one of the first deregulated fares.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
This could help:

That's just what TWA's sidewalls looked like. Great find!



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6094 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3198 times:
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One detail I noticed with Aunt Minnie´s picture, is that there seems to be a footrest in her seat. Was that usual on Y in those years?

Now, it is definitely a three seat row. Were there any US airlines out there using thre seat rows in coach?

Just for the sake of throwing something different, the fabric of the seats reminds me of LH´s F during the late 70´s and 80´s. Could this be LH?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 18):
One detail I noticed with Aunt Minnie´s picture, is that there seems to be a footrest in her seat. Was that usual on Y in those years?

That looks more like a piece of the seat fabric hanging down from the seat cushion. Wasn't unusual.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 18):
Were there any US airlines out there using thre seat rows in coach?

I believe 3x3 was the standard seating in Coach for all the Boeing narrowbody models (some very early configs could have been different, don't know). Other than the DC-9, the only 5-across Coach seating in a mainline jet I'm aware of was in UA's brief "White Class" between "Red Class" (First) and "Blue Class" (Coach) on the transcon DC-8s—I think that's the order in which they were named. (I can't vouch for the Convairs though, never flew on one.)

Quoting AR385 (Reply 18):
Could this be LH?

No way. We've nailed it. It was Trans World Airlines.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 11):
I'd say TWA too based on images in these two papers:

Thanks a bunch for posting those links.    I've gone back to read them through now. The second one had an interesting article about the TWA jet order, the biggest aviation order in history then. I'll have to search Google for more issues!



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24628 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 4):
The console between the seats is the middle seat folded down to make a table, they used to do that. Looks very much like 707 coach. You got real glassware and silverware, free hot meals and no baggage fee.

No, that's an early first class seat on the left side of a TWA 707. The center table between the two seats is fixed. Many early 707s had first class seats like that. You can also easily tell from the approximate 40 to 42 inch seat pitch that it's F not Y.

See the photo below and read the caption. The seats in the photo above are identical to the seats on the left side of the aisle in the photo below (refences to the left side of the aisle means left side facing foward).
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6792581

[Edited 2011-12-04 16:30:12]

[Edited 2011-12-04 16:32:44]

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