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DC-8-62 Enthusiast Flight  
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

On the 26th May there will be an enthusiast flight in California on board an ATI DC-8-62 Combi, routing from Sacramento to Long Beach and back again. The aircraft is fitted out with 32 seats and the price is a cool $1,600 per person.

http://classicjettours.com/DC8.html

I won't be able to participate in this trip but I thought I'd post it here in case anyone particularly wanted to fly a DC-8.


Dan  


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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Looks nice, although I will not be able to make it onto that flight.
Fortunately I had been flying on a DC-8 with SPANTAX in the 1970's so I do not have to give an arm and a leg to get one these days.

On the positive side it will be a chance to use MCC instead of the usual SMF.
HT



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

I've sometimes paid big $$$ to fly on some aircraft missing in my log, but seriously, $1600? For the same price you can fly to some very exotic places on this planet and fly with an aircraft from the same generation but in actual airline service. Plus you get a nice exciting trip, maybe meet some locals, and come back with a story to tell.

But $1600 for 2 short hops on an aircraft filled up with airline enthusiasts sticking their camera in your face? I've done these trips too, but usually at a price tag about 15x lower.

If this rocks your boat then go ahead, but for the same price you can fly from California to Bangladesh, parts of it in a DC-10, catch a Fokker 28 once you're there, and fly back home on a 757 Combi.

Soren   



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User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
I've sometimes paid big $$$ to fly on some aircraft missing in my log, but seriously, $1600? For the same price you can fly to some very exotic places on this planet and fly with an aircraft from the same generation but in actual airline service. Plus you get a nice exciting trip, maybe meet some locals, and come back with a story to tell.

But $1600 for 2 short hops on an aircraft filled up with airline enthusiasts sticking their camera in your face? I've done these trips too, but usually at a price tag about 15x lower.

If this rocks your boat then go ahead, but for the same price you can fly from California to Bangladesh, parts of it in a DC-10, catch a Fokker 28 once you're there, and fly back home on a 757 Combi.

I completely agree, it's a hell of a lot of money considering what other flights you could get. I also try to stay away from these spotter trips as they are usually full of plane spotters pushing you out of the way to get photos.


User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 538 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

@PlymSpotter, sorry to hear you cant make it. Would have been good fun to have the same crew as on the BAC 111   .

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 3):

While I agree it is a lot of $$ you have also see this from a different perspective. This charter is about an ancient quad that is everything but cheap in operation. Chartering a particularly expensive DC-8-60 I believe will cost around USD 9k-10k per flight hour (a -70 may be slightly cheaper). Considering it will be somewhere around 2.5-3h flying time for both sectors, and adding the additional costs of a stopover, handling & landing fees, etc., it easily adds up to over USD 35k-40k for the entire project. If there was a DC-8 in full pax configuration available, we'd be talking about USD 400 pp. However since there is no more DC-8 around with that many seats and the one operating the charter only has 32 seats - and also taking into account a break-even load factor of say 70% - we simply get to about USD 1600 pp. This is the cost of flying a DC-8-60 in the year 2012, which by the way is a dream come true for many of us. I have signed up for it and I am sure the flight will attract enough enthusiasts to break even. I trust the organiser Sean is not organising this to earn the big bucks, he running this project with a different objective. You can read more about it here:

A BAC One-Eleven In 2011 - Over Texas Skies (by classicjets Jan 27 2012 in Trip Reports)

Long story short, this charter is only aimed at the ones who *really* want to fly on a DC-8. While I totally understand your objections, the point I want to make is that the price is not a rip-off rate out of the blue. The only alternative would be a short 1h flight without a stopover, though none of us know what limitations or restrictions ATI may have imposed (for example min flying time of 2h, etc...).

EDIT: In regards to spotter trips, thes is not the target audience of this trip. For example the BAC 111 was easy going in terms of people in the cabin, and in fact the real spotters didn't join the flight but placed themselves at the runway to shoot outside photos of the aircraft flying. I believe none of the people onbard the BAC 111 were real spotters and I am clearly not a spotter, but rather an enthusiast enjoying the flight on this particular type. I usually try to grab some reasonable photos of my flights such as the below sample, but photography is second priority after experiencing the aircraft, chatting with the crew, meeting similar minded people, etc. and generally the fun of flying. From my point of view most of the guys I met on the BAC 111 were the same. Some other charters are aimed at spotters (Ian Allan Tours for example), this is usually the case when ramp tours are offered, clearly not the case here.


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Hope to see many of you there...   .

Regards,
Loran

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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Quoting Loran (Reply 4):

What you write makes total sense and I am in no way questioning the justification for the $1600 price tag. I absolutely believe that this is what it costs to do this operation.
What I'm simply saying is that it is beyond me why people would do this INSTEAD of other, much more exotic flying adventures for the same money. Like for example the North Korea tours that are currently on offer, which would get you on 5 or 6 flights on various rare Soviet aircraft, some of them the last example of that model in operation, plus you get a once-in-a-lifetime trip to a super exotic place.

But then there are people who pay super big money for a stamp or coin, while at the same time you could experience unforgettable adventures for the money. After all, you only have that many years to live, and in the end when you're old what is it really worth to have that valuable coin or stamp in your album.

In a way, for me, a $1600 local flight on a DC8 is similar to an expensive coin in an album. But this is just my opinion, everybody is free to do what they want. I'm going to Cuba in 2 weeks, on an IL96 and an AN24 in real scheduled service with real people on the plane, and the whole thing is going to cost me less than that DC8 trip, including hotels, meals, overland travel on trains and buses, ... and I can't comprehend how that DC8 trip is as valuable as this.

The reason I'm even writing all this is that I see a tendency in the aviation community to spend astronomic amounts of money when the words "rare", "last chance" and similar pop up. Think about safety cards, postcards and other sorts of memorabilia. In the end it's a piece of paper, and buying a "rare" or "last chance" item is not going to make your collection complete as there will still be holes. And the same is true for a "last chance" DC8 flight, this will not make your log book of all different aircraft complete, there will still be hundreds of types you haven't flown with, so why not get the most bang for the buck and do something else instead with a "better mileage"?

Soren   



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
User currently offlineeirik From Norway, joined Mar 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
What I'm simply saying is that it is beyond me why people would do this INSTEAD of other, much more exotic flying adventures for the same money.

Not instead of, but in addition to North Korea, Biman, Iran and so on  


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting eirik (Reply 6):
Not instead of, but in addition to North Korea, Biman, Iran and so on

That of course is different! Lucky people who can afford all that... but great for them!   
I was just worried about the "INSTEAD" people.

Soren   



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
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