Flyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 614 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5200 times:
Hi A netters, there is talk going around that Qantas could drop Frankfurt and New York JFK of their network not sure if it is true or not, it got me thinking just how small their route map is now compared to say 1980, 31 years ago Qantas use to fly in Europe
Now in 2012 its only London Heathrow and Frankfurt.
In North America
In 2012 Los Angeles, Dallas, JFK (that could go) Honolulu
Now its just Johannesburg.
Kula Lumpur, Bejing,Osaka, ( I could be wrong there )
They are the ones that I can think of, what I am woundering is what do you think the Qantas network will look like in 5 years time, do you see new cities added if so what destenations or what desternations will go from the network?
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3148 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5128 times:
QF has two directions they can go in... It all hinges on the 787 IMO:
Option 1 -- develop QF (or an Asian sub-brand) and allocated 20-30 787's to opening up a raft of new routes... Develop a strong Asian hub (ie open up 4-5 European cities from SIN or similar -- this strategy might work well with a regional Asian airline), and adopt a point to point approach into North America...
Option 2 -- JQ. QF becomes LHR, LAX, DFW and a handful of Asian cities (SIN, NRT, PEK, BOM etc).
ISTGRU From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5074 times:
The non-Asian long haul international network will be:
LHR, JNB, LAX, DFW, SCL. Maybe FRA will remain but it doesnt really fit in with their oneworld hub to hub route planning.
In Asia I hope that we see some expansion - its crazy that QF doesnt fly to PEK, let alone ICN and a host of other cities. Given that QF and MH are currently cooking something up id say KUL will be a major part of the Asian route network, potentially with flights from SYD, MEL, PER, BNE and maybe ADL to connect with a KUL based regional operation.
QF340500 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2011, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5075 times:
Hm, that would be sad indeed, especially FRA, i believe the planes are always full, yield per seat might not be as good, but...
But i think you missed Singapore and HongKong, and also there are a few places in New Zealand, Oceania etc... India (Mumbai i believe) also was missing...
I think what QF needs is more planes and open up more routes in Asia. Also one or two more in Europe would be great. Qantas has still a great image in Europe and associated with Australia and Outback, Kangaroos and loooooong holidays driving through the desert in Campervans...
I like QF and i hope the BEST for them in the future...
I agree, and I'm hoping Qantas management has the foresight and courage to use the 787s to open up new links in Asia, North and South America, Africa, Middle East and Europe. Based on recent demonstrations of their judgement, for example with the network shutdown, I am not confident though that they will be that sensible.
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3456 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4733 times:
Look at how many places BA served in the 90s in Australia and NZ versus just Sydney today. QF are getting squeezed in the middle between alliances and the Gulf carriers being a much better one stop option into Europe.
vhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4625 times:
I don't believe there will be any drastic changes to the domestic network which is one of the divisions making money for QF at the moment. A frequency or two might be transferred to Jetstar but none of this "everything will be Jetstar" that people seem to like to go about. Having said that it seems any growth will be mostly Jetstar. I wouldn't expect a major narrow body order like a MAX/NEO decision until the end of the decade when the oldest 73H start hitting 20 years. If anything it will just be a couple of top up orders for the 73H.
International on the other hand I don't know about five years but I can see then running a "Qantasia" either their own airline from scratch or merge with an existing airline (MH anyone?) ala AF/KL, BA/IB. They will take over Europe and Asia. Qantas International as we know it will only do nonstops between Australia and Dallas, Los Angeles, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore and Joburg. Maybe with a token A380 flight to London through their Asian hub. This will probably take longer than five years but they'll be working towards it. A European destination which I think could work well for Qantasia is Dusseldorf. Where easy rail connections can be made to Amsterdam, Brussels, Paris and most of Germany. Destinations further afield can be reached from Air Berlin's hub there.
Regarding Jetstar I can see the Australian operation expanding to San Francisco, Vancouver maybe even Los Angeles. Jetstar Asia will expand to places like Athens, Rome, Berlin, Beirut, Dubai, Mumbai and Delhi.
Please note that this post is 100% speculative.
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blink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4516 times:
Quoting vhqpa (Reply 6): A European destination which I think could work well for Qantasia is Dusseldorf. Where easy rail connections can be made to Amsterdam, Brussels, Paris and most of Germany. Destinations further afield can be reached from Air Berlin's hub there.
I agree, or BER for more AB connectivity, even if BER is a smaller market. The problem QF/BA face is that access to just about anywhere in Continental Europe is a backtrack from LHR when there are plenty of other great options available known as SQ, EY, QR and EK. AMM with RJ is another option.
Qantas had the EY partnership before Virgin took over as EY's preferred Australian partner. I thought QF should have used the EY partnership a few years ago to launch AUH and connect into Europe with EY, but that's water under the bridge now.
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