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How Does TK Survives With Such High Fares  
User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

On every segment you look and that involves them - they're THE or amongst the most expensive. Whenever i'm booking a ticket on Europe-Asia segments and see them in the list, i get completely offended by their irrational fares and always book a 2 or more times cheaper ticket on QR or some other Middle Eastern company...
So i wonder how that company survives, where do they get money from (except the 70 million Turks who just by ignorance and laziness - say patriotism - don't even think of ever flying with a non-Turkish airline, just like Europe in the 60s when everybody would almost exclusively fly their national carrier, for other more practical/pragmatic reasons though).

PS: Any precise info on taxes charged at IST?

PS2: In 2011 TK posted a net "income" of 572.5$ millions in negative (in losses to be concrete)...
http://www.kap.gov.tr/YAY/Download/Bildirim/Ek/63908.pdf

[Edited 2012-02-19 11:18:06]

[Edited 2012-02-19 11:18:46]

[Edited 2012-02-19 11:20:10]

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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Thread starter):
So i wonder how that company survives, where do they get money from (except the 70 million Turks who just by ignorance and laziness - say patriotism - don't even think of ever flying with a non-Turkish airline, just like Europe in the 60s when everybody would almost exclusively fly their national carrier, for other more practical/pragmatic reasons though).

Haven't you answered your own question there? For whatever reasons (I don't agree with your analysis) they are able to charge a premium in some markets and still fill their planes. Although I've not found TK to be that expensive myself.


Dan  



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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

But I don't really think they are always the most expensive.
I.e. from Germany to IST their fares are quite reasonable. It's easy to get a one way around 100 EUR even short termed...
On another example I was looking for flight from BCN to DXB and back to LON. At least on the dates I looked they were the cheapest and had good schedules. It probably depends on the route and on the dates. It's all about yield management, however this doesn't necessarily mean they're doing a good work in this regard.


User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2992 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Last year when I was looking at London - Johannesburg flights, TK was occasionally cheapest, though the cheapest did change almost daily!

signol



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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 893 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

From HEL they usually are among the least expensive to Asia, both in Y and C.

User currently onlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Where I look at fares from the US to ME/Africa/India, TK is usually amongst the cheapest. Unfortunately, their lowest fares don't earn miles so I never book them.

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Thread starter):
On every segment you look and that involves them - they're THE or amongst the most expensive. Whenever i'm booking a ticket on Europe-Asia segments and see them in the list, i get completely offended by their irrational fares and always book a 2 or more times cheaper ticket on QR or some other Middle Eastern company...
So i wonder how that company survives, where do they get money from (except the 70 million Turks who just by ignorance and laziness - say patriotism - don't even think of ever flying with a non-Turkish airline, just like Europe in the 60s when everybody would almost exclusively fly their national carrier, for other more practical/pragmatic reasons though).

It's called yield management as some other posters have noted. It just happens that you are looking for itineraries in demand for those specific dates and TK is trying to maximize its profits. If they were indeed the most expensive all the time, I am absolutely certain Turks would be first to dump them. And to add, Turks until recently thought it was "cooler" to fly with other airlines and scorned at TK. Only in the last 10 years that has changed.

I think it is kind of rude to generalize all Turks as lazy, ignorant or patriotic based on your own - wrong - observation.


User currently offlinejoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

You clearly have no idea how to get cheap fares.

I can get TK J and MH J from JFK-IST-KUL for $1400USD.

I will be booking that soon  


User currently offlineDocGATTACA From Singapore, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

I've not found TK to be particularly expensive. Indeed last year I flew TK from SIN to NCE via IST and they were the cheapest option by far. Over all, the service was very good and the TK lounge was very pleasant (I had a 3-4h layover). My only complaint would be the remote parking at IST for our A330 from SIN.

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

TK is easily one of the best ways of getting from Asia/USA to Europe on Star Alliance. I have always found their fares ex NRT/HKG/LAX to be very reasonable and competitive.

User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4374 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 6):
I think it is kind of rude to generalize all Turks as lazy, ignorant or patriotic based on your own - wrong - observation.

Leftyboarder being nice and saying "wrong", most people will call it something else. You are just stereotyping a specific group of people.
Turkish pax choose just like any other; they look at the price, schedule, connectivity, safety record, mileage program and such. I for one, fly mostly on DL on JFK-IST because I am first a SKYmiles sucker then a Turk. Domestically I fly Atlasjet and Pegasus or TK depending on price/schedule.
Coming back to the topic, as you can see from the previous posts TK is not usually the most expensive. I find their prices competitive with others. I am sure they will charge whatever they feel like where there is no competition. Like when they first started Iraq, Libya flights or the upcoming Mogadishu. I think this is one reason where TK is focusing on Africa at present, trying to double the 18 destinations it serves. TK doesn't want to compete on saturated markets where margins getting smaller.


User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Don't know what you are talking about. While searching for J-class ORD-KUL fares TK was half the price of the next-cheapest option which was KE. I think it varies quite a bit from route to route, just like all other airlines out there.

User currently offlinejetblue777 From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting joffie (Reply 7):
can get TK J and MH J from JFK-IST-KUL for $1400USD.

Yep! I second here, I found the same fare too.

While searching a ticket from JFK to ARN, TK was showing a 797.00USD roundtrip, which was definitely the cheapest and perhaps the best option considering their far superior product compared to the other choices like FI or AB.

jetBlue777



It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Thread starter):
i get completely offended by their irrational fares

and then go on to say:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Thread starter):
except the 70 million Turks who just by ignorance and laziness

real nice...  



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User currently offlinejetlag73 From France, joined Sep 2011, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting joffie (Reply 7):

You clearly have no idea how to get cheap fares.

I can get TK J and MH J from JFK-IST-KUL for $1400USD.

I will be booking that soon  

Hi Joffie,
cool, let us know about that, I'm really interested.
Thanks !

Enzo


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