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New UA Or LH J Better?  
User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Simple question, which is better for sleeping, new UA J seat on the 777, or LH J on the A346. Heard not so great things about both.

If you'd rather not slope flat in the LH seat, is the cradle position comfortable (or even possible)?

Is the UA seat really that tight? For a tall person, am I going to be cramped width and length at once?

I'm currently flying LH but can change it to UA if it's worth it for the seat. I know the soft product on UA J is not great, and sadly, we will be flying 1 day before they are set to start their CO-ization improvements...

Thanks.


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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3745 times:
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I can only speak for the United product; you heard right: it sucks. It's comical watching the United pre-board message from Smisek where he talks about spending millions on upgrading a/c and they still suck. I understand it's not going to happen overnight, but come on. Stick with LH.   

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 1):

I can only speak for the United product; you heard right: it sucks.

Thanks. This is the new J, right? And of course, while LH food isn't world leading, UA's food stinks, so that's a minus.

But I'm mostly concerned with sleeping comfort. It's a red-eye after all. On the return I'm on LH and plan on staying.

I can switch to the UA product now, or stick with LH and hope for a miracle that seats on LX open up in time for a legal change. From what I've seen, LAX-ZRH award seats sometimes open up in J and F with less than 24 hours notice, and not sure if I can change to them on that short notice. Book? Yes. Change, not sure, because CO OnePass (where I booked the tickets) says their same day change rules apply, but those rules claim to only apply to CO, Copa and UA flights...

[Edited 2012-02-24 11:21:35]


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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9611 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

I have done both those products multiple times and if you are in an aisle or window seat (preferably not in the center) I find the UA seat better for sleeping. I'd take the 767 seats before the Lufthansa seats. When in bed mode, the seat is about as wide as as Lufthansa's seat, but it is flat which is a lot better. The UA configuration is 8 abreast on the 777s results in very narrow armrests. The arm rest that is not shared is the narrowest arm rest that I've ever encountered. However the benefit is that it does not interfere with seat width while sleeping. Both seats are horrible if you want to store anything with you. Everything has to go up top. The Lufthansa seat is angled and the PTV is quite small. Also I think the IFE system on the UA seat is better.

As far as food goes, it's long haul business class food. Neither are that stunning. F is where the good food is at. I have always found it edible to satiate my appetite, but not anything that is of the quality that would be found in a nice restaurant. If you are flying to get from point A to point B and be comfortable enough, both are good and efficient. If you are flying for it to be a spectacular experience that you remember and truly enjoy, then I would not recommend either.

On the ground the two are roughly the same. You can use the same lounges etc. I do prefer UA's boarding as it always seems a bit like a scrum at Lufthansa, but that might be a limited personal experience.

Overall in business I think UA is better. In first or economy, I'd go for LH. The UA seat is psychologically narrower, but I find it very comfortable. It's about an inch narrower than other seats, but unless you are in a middle seat, I think the seats are actually quite good. I've never been on the Continental flat seat, so I can't compare. The UA seat is good for sleeping, but there's not enough storage, little privacy and narrow armrests. The LH seat is better for storage, a little better for privacy, but not as good for sleeping.

[Edited 2012-02-24 14:54:49]


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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Thanks. I'll be traveling with my wife and on the UA 777, the middle 4 seats are mostly empty so far on this flight, so we can sit together, so we'd choose an aisle and middle in a row where the only other seat taken is another aisle, and hopefully, that remaining middle is never filled.

As for J food, I've never had a complaint about the CO J food. On one flight EWR-BRU, it seemed to be identical to the meal I had eaten in QF F LAX-SYD except it lacked one course. Same steak, same potatoes, same veggies, tasty enough. And no dom either, of course.

Flying LAX-LHR-ZRH makes our trip longer than LAX-MUC-ZRH by about 2 hours. Is connecting UA-LX at LHR simple? I assume my bags will just get transferred without having to claim them like in MUC and not like in the USA?

I'm nervous that the 777 might get subbed for the old configuration, as they are only 2/3rds full, and although LAX-LHR is supposed to be the new config, and shows as the new config for my date, it got subbed today for the old config...



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9611 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):
Thanks. I'll be traveling with my wife and on the UA 777, the middle 4 seats are mostly empty so far on this flight, so we can sit together, so we'd choose an aisle and middle in a row where the only other seat taken is another aisle, and hopefully, that remaining middle is never filled.

I can promise you that it will get filled. LAX-LHR always has enough non-revs to fill first and business class even if it doesn't fill with revenue passengers.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):
Is connecting UA-LX at LHR simple? I assume my bags will just get transferred without having to claim them like in MUC and not like in the USA?

They are in the same terminal. It isn't bad at all.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5456 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):
Is connecting UA-LX at LHR simple? I assume my bags will just get transferred without having to claim them like in MUC and not like in the USA?

You're bags will be transferred automatically. Since they're in the same terminal you get off the plane, follow signs to flight connections, go through security, walk to lounge/gate.

The procedure is identical at both LHR and MUC. MUC T2 is better than LHR T1, but I guess 10 hours in the air is more important than 2 on the ground. Also the Star Alliance lounge at LHR is supposed to be very good, but I've never seen it.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):
I'm nervous that the 777 might get subbed for the old configuration, as they are only 2/3rds full, and although LAX-LHR is supposed to be the new config, and shows as the new config for my date, it got subbed today for the old config...

For me personally that would swing it in LH's favor



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 6):
You're bags will be transferred automatically. Since they're in the same terminal you get off the plane, follow signs to flight connections, go through security, walk to lounge/gate.

You have to go through security again? I thought that was just an american thing, and that we'd only be going through immigration.

In MUC we wouldn't have time for the Star Lounge anyway, in LHR we would have a 3 hour connection, enough time to shower and change in the Star Lounge, get some lunch, look at shops, etc.

Or we could secure a 6 hour connection, if that would give us any time to get into London to look around and get back to LHR in time?



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5456 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 7):
You have to go through security again? I thought that was just an american thing, and that we'd only be going through immigration.

Since you connecting to a destination outside of the EU you don't have to go through immigration. You stay airside, but UK security requirements mean that all passengers have to be re-screened. However, I'm 90% sure that it is a seperate security check so you don't have to join the mine throng. Incidentally, as I said, MUC is exactly the same process: security but not immigration.

6 hours probably isn't enough. The Heathrow Express takes 20 minutes from T1, and runs every 20 minutes. Let's say you wait an average of 10 minutes that's 1 hour travelling time. Allow, say, 30 minutes to clear UK Immigration (although obviously you won't have to wait for your bags) and you will need to be back at the airport, say, 60 minutes before departure. Allowing a buffer for unforeseen circumstances then 3 hours is gone.

That leaves you 3 hours.

What is it that you plan to do? If you just want to go in and look at the Palace and walk up via Piccadilly Circus to Covent Garden then 3 hours might be fine. If you plan on doing anything more (especially going into museums etc) then not a chance...



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 3634 times:
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If I understand your on UA from LAX-LHR and connecting on LX to ZRH?

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
This is the new J,

Yes, I've been on the new J class product and it's not great.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):
UA's food stinks

It does; so sad when flying so often the meal service is predictable and I decline and the flight attendant keeps asking if I'd like to eat something. i pack my own food.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):
UA-LX at LHR simple?

Nothing is simple at LHR.   


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3544 times:
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Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):
As far as food goes, it's long haul business class food. Neither are that stunning. F is where the good food is at.

Yeah but on LH I've had on more than one occasion an F/A offer me a plate from F when my selection in C had run out. On UA, the attitude is basically "tough sh!t."

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 6):
For me personally that would swing it in LH's favor

Ditto. Not in a rush to fly UA until more aircraft are re-configured so the odds of me being stuck on an old seat are marginal at best. I think the new UA is a bit more comfortable than LH for sleeping, but I have been so uncomfortable in the old UA (worn out seat with some sort of hard rod in the back cushion comes to mind) that I'd rather avoid the risk of having to deal with it again if at all possible.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 10):
Ditto. Not in a rush to fly UA until more aircraft are re-configured so the odds of me being stuck on an old seat are marginal at best. I think the new UA is a bit more comfortable than LH for sleeping, but I have been so uncomfortable in the old UA (worn out seat with some sort of hard rod in the back cushion comes to mind) that I'd rather avoid the risk of having to deal with it again if at all possible.

Well I switched it because my wife said it was worth the gamble not to try to sleep in the sloped flat seats (she had real trouble with them on another flight). At this point, there are now 31 of 46 configured new, and 1 or 2 of the 46 out of service to be configured, so that leaves less than 1/3rd of the aircraft in the old configuration in service. LAX/SFO - LHR are two routes they try to put the new config on at all costs (of course, tonight LAX-LHR was old config), but I figured I'd take the gamble as I'd guess it's like a 1 in 10 chance or less that we'll be screwed.

Our return is still on LH. As a day flight, I don't need to sleep, and want to experience LH and fly my first A346 and see the MUC airport, etc.



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User currently offlineUM78 From Italy, joined Nov 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3516 times:
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J class on LH is a disaster, not really worth the money it costs.
Old product. Not comfortable at all, of compared with other newest European products as Alitalia, Swiss, or Finnair it's 15 years old.
The food , is also a disaster too.
LH at least is compensating these with the great level of ground services they are offering.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

Well, F opened up on UA so we switched into that. Even their old worn F will be better than the LH J for sleeping but hopefully we aren't subbed and stay in the new F. Too bad we are too early for the upgraded soft product.

But the F lounge at T7 should be an improvement over the United Club.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

I've had very nice experiences with LH and OS in Business

Quoting UM78 (Reply 12):

J class on LH is a disaster, not really worth the money it costs.
Old product. Not comfortable at all, of compared with other newest European products as Alitalia, Swiss, or Finnair it's 15 years old.

And it's currently being renewed.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 14):
I've had very nice experiences with LH and OS in Business

I'm excited to fly LH J home when getting a good night's sleep isn't the focus. The inability to sleep in sloped seats will be a plus then, as I can nap a bit but will be nice and tired when I return to the states and sleep well.



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