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What Airline Had The Shortest Domestic Widebody Fl  
User currently offlineB777UA From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 161 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

What Airlines past and Present has the shortest Domestic WideBody flight? How Long of Flight and what kind of Aircraft

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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5566 times:

I seem to remember doing a DL flight from ATL-FLL-MIA on either an L-1011 or a B767.


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3052 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 1):
I seem to remember doing a DL flight from ATL-FLL-MIA on either an L-1011 or a B767.

True. And there was probably an SFO-OAK tag-on with a widebody at some point. However, I'm guessing this isn't the intent of the OP's question. I think he means the shortest real widebody flight (e.g. ATL-MCO, MSP-ORD or whatever) that is expected to carry passengers, not some tag-on.

SEA-MSP might be one of the shorter ones right now in this age of far fewer widebody domestic flights.

Incidentally, at Boeing they never use the term "widebody" anymore officially. We call them "twin aisle" airplanes. I'm guessing that's because the latter sounds more politically correct.


User currently offlinegr09 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

I don't know it it's the shortest but BKK-HKT is 421 miles and you will find currently TQ's B747, A330, A300 on that route.

User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

SFO-OAK had an L1011 for a while. I have non-rev'd on that, although it was a revenue flight. Obviously the flight was continuing on to elsewhere.

ATL-FLL or ATL-MCO had a 772 for a while as well when the 772 was new. At least that was my understanding.

All on Delta.



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1245 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

US flies the 762 CLT-PHL and return. I'm booked on it for Tuesday.

ATL-JAX was operated by DL on twin aisle equipment.

IIRC there was twin aisle operations between ORD and MSP as some point.



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User currently onlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

MEL-SYD also has quite a bit of widebody service, and it's at 439 miles. Slightly longer than HKT-BKK.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

IB operates BCN-MAD on A340 once daily iirc


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22877 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5175 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 5):
ATL-JAX was operated by DL on twin aisle equipment.

DL still subs 763s on ATL-JAX on a fairly regular basis, though there hasn't been one scheduled for a while.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 5):
IIRC there was twin aisle operations between ORD and MSP as some point.

Not just twin aisle operations but 747 operations on NW as late as the late 90s (part of the MSP-ORD-NRT-MNL trip).

NW also flew DC-10-40s on MSP-MKE until shortly before they retired the -40s. I would assume that UA has scheduled widebodies on and off on LAX-SFO over the years.



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User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

LHR-AMS is 231mi (767). I assume the shortest is somewhere in Asia though.


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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 1):
I seem to remember doing a DL flight from ATL-FLL-MIA on either an L-1011 or a B767.

I flew on an Eastern A300 MIA-FLL-JFK sometime in the 1980s. Took that flight specifically because of the MIA-FLL sector (18 nm). It was almost empty on that leg, and far from full FLL-JFK.

The Pan Am 747-100 (N752PA, Clipper Fortune) that was hijacked after takeoff from AMS for JFK on September 6, 1970, flown to BEY and then CAI where it was blown up, fortunately after passenges and crew had evacuated (the first 747 hull loss), was operating BRU-AMS-JFK. The BRU-AMS sector is 85 nm.


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

In the UK BA has been using the 763 on the LHR-GLA-LHR route, which is 345 miles.


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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 9):
I assume the shortest is somewhere in Asia though.

OZ flies a B763 between CJU and Gwangju KWJ. 113 mi / 98 nm.
KE A330/A306 CJU PUS 181 mi / 157 nm.

-HT



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User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5057 times:

AA used to operate a morning DC10 between TUL-DFW back in the day.

Danny



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Not just twin aisle operations but 747 operations on NW as late as the late 90s (part of the MSP-ORD-NRT-MNL trip).


And for many years NW served a full breakfast in both cabins on the 747 between MSP and ORD!


User currently offlineIL62Mdakar From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

DUB-SNN 121 miles on Aer Lingus A330-300 and B747-100. Also a variety if US carriers with different equipment over the years on the same route.

FRA-TXL used to be on LH A300-600 270 miles
FRA-HAM used to be on LH A300-600 257 miles
FRA-MUC same as above and still sees occasional A340 or B747-400 187 miles
and the shortest is
FRA-HAJ 175 miles with widebodies but only during the trade fairs in Hannover

Longer than the above ORY-AJA with B747-400 in the summer


User currently offlineIL62Mdakar From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

And a few in the Middle East

DXB-DOH 238 miles with EK and QR A330, B777
DXB-MCT 217 miles with EK A330, B777 and Swiss A330
ALP-DAM 195 miles RB B747SP in the past
CAI-LXR 317 miles on MS A300, B777, B743, A342

Not sure if it is/was sold but I think someone did BAH-Damman which is 57 miles


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5009 times:

Quoting B777UA (Thread starter):
the shortest Domestic WideBody flight?
Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 9):
LHR-AMS is 231mi (767).

Not really domestic.

A few more

LX, operating A332 on GVA-ZRH (not anymore iirc)
AF is doing the 77W on ORY-LYS and ORY-NCE sometimes in highseason.
AY flies the A330 on HEL-RVN in winter
AT B744 RAK-CMN



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5007 times:

The shortest I've been on is ATL-EWR on a DL 763 in September 2010. That was rather unusual, not a regularly scheduled flight. However it's only about 700 miles in duration -- making it quite short.

I would think the shortest nowadays are probably DTW-ATL on the 77L and MSP-ATL on the 763 with DL.

UA has a 777 on DEN-LAX (and will continue to) which is about 2 hours in duration.

UA used to have a 777 on SFO-LAX last fall. That had to be the shortest for a least the small window of which they operated it.



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User currently offlineIAHworldflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

From at least 1986 until about 1992, AA flew DC10's between DFW and AUS twice a day. 186 air miles. 50 min. scheduled block time. Living at the time in AUS, I took them every chance I could to make a connection in DFW. Usually these were frames that had flown a longer route into DFW say from BOS, LGA, or ORD, and were then utilized to make the short hop on to AUS.
In the late '80's AA also flew D10's on DFW-IAH and DFW-SAT at least once a day as well.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):

UA used to have a 777 on SFO-LAX last fall. That had to be the shortest for a least the small window of which they operated it.

Still operates today - it's been the 830a-ish SFO-LAX departure for quite some time now.


User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3164 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
I flew on an Eastern A300 MIA-FLL-JFK sometime in the 1980s. Took that flight specifically because of the MIA-FLL sector (18 nm). It was almost empty on that leg, and far from full FLL-JFK.

I think this is a winner.

UA currently has a daily 777 SFO-LAX.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 17):
A few more

LX, operating A332 on GVA-ZRH (not anymore iirc)

I can't recall LX ever regularly scheduling widebodies on GVA-ZRH, although they very rarely may substitute them for smaller aircraft to meet peak demand. I've flown on 2 LX flights GVA-ZRH that were last-minute A332 substitutions and one that used an A343, but those were a few years ago.

Swissair certainly used widebodies on GVA-ZRH, including DC-10s and 747-200s/300s. For several years the GVA-JFK-GVA flight originated/terminated at ZRH. They eventually began turning it around at GVA and dropped the domestic sector. There were other widebodies on GVA-ZRH when Swissair used GVA as a secondary longhaul hub. For example, when service to LAX first began (DC-10) it operated ZRH-GVA-LAX. They later eliminated the GVA stop. There were a few other routes like that including ZRH-GVA-GIG, and to a few points in Africa.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

PR does CEB-MNL with a 744/333/77W3/343. It is 351 miles

User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

SIN-KUL has to be one of the shortest flying today... 185 mi, and sees A330's from SQ and UL (and maybe MH, I can't remember).

Edit -- I should read the OP more often... This isn't really a domestic flight...

[Edited 2012-03-12 23:36:35]

25 BoeingGuy : Yes, and PSA had the L1011 doing SFO-LAX-SAN in 1974. UA scheduled a 747-100 at one time and advertised it as just for the heavy LAX-SFO traffic, not
26 n92r03 : DL operated an L1011 SAN-LAX in the 90's
27 flymia : AA fairly recently until the retirement of the A300 had the A300 on MIA-MCO.
28 n901wa : When I worked in HNL, Delta flew a L-1011 between HNL and OGG. If I remember right it was to pick up connections on the DFW, ATL and LAX afternoon inb
29 TWA1985 : I flew on UA 3 a few years back, which operated ORD-OGG-KOA-ORD with a 777. The OGG-KOA portion was very short ... and extremely bumpy!!!
30 andz : JNB-DUR 297 mi SAA on a 747SP and climbing to FL410.
31 LGWflyer : Wow it must have been a very steep climb and decent!
32 malioil : This isn't domestic but it is inter-GCC and in many ways is 'domestic' for if you're a Gulf citizen you don't need to carry your passport, etc. and it
33 KBUF : AA once ran BUF-DTW with a DC-10.
34 Viscount724 : And much shorter than that, Eastern used the L-1011 once or twice a day BUF-YYZ (59 nm) for a few years. It originated in ATL and operated ATL-BUF-YY
35 AirframeAS : I think UA has that beat.... DEN-ORD on a 777, coming in 2nd, as well as.........
36 Post contains images andz : It was! My wife and I were in the jump seats and it was quite something to watch the altimeter needles whizzing round. We were at FL410 for just a co
37 idlewildchild : Not sure if anyone's mentioned this but the original NW3 operated JFK-IAD-ORD-NRT as a 747 and the JFK-IAD was mighty quick!
38 Post contains links and images Mortyman : The defunct Norwegian airline Braathens S.A.F.E used the B 767 200 for European flights, but also occasionally domestic in Norway. Braathens S.A.F.E o
39 DL_Mech : DL flew these flights with 767-300ERs around 2000: JFK-PHL-JFK (94 miles) JFK-BDL-JFK (105 miles)
40 trintocan : The shortest I can think of is POS - TAB, flown by BW with TriStars back in 1991-1993! The 80km (50 mile) route was flown on services which continued
41 Post contains images IL62Mdakar : Ops, I think I got a bit carried away with my middle east examples too and forgot about domestic. Well a few more short ones. this time all domestic
42 Josh32121 : DL routinely puts 763's on ATL-SAV for a few flights around the weekend of the Masters golf tournament finale.
43 AirbusA6 : Longer than some here, back in 1990 I flew Air Inter SXB - ORY (241 miles) on their A300B2. At one point, before Singapore split from Malaysia this wo
44 Viscount724 : AC's famous "Gimli Glider" 767-200 in July 1983 was operating YUL-YOW-YEG. The YUL-YOW sector is 82 nm.
45 FlySSC : Air Inter was also operating its Airbus A300 on NCE-BIA & NCE-CLY during the summer, respectively 138mi (120nm) & 112mi (98nm)
46 srbmod : At one point back in 2000-2001 (maybe even later), DL was flying at least one flight a day between ATL and MCO with every widebody type in the fleet
47 lax777lr : DEN-COS Roundtrip on UA with a DC-10. Late 90s I believe...
48 malioil : Can I just say that now the evening QR flight to BAH has been upgraded to a Boeing 777-200LR... A 90 mile flight on a 200LR, wow, talk about the antit
49 CO777DAL : You beat me to it. I was going to say that route. ( That's also a domestic flight. The only one for T&T) I rode the L-1011 from POS to TAB. It to
50 PRFlyer : Philippine Airlines has a scheduled MNL-CEB flight (351 miles) on a B744 and sometimes on a B77W.
51 727tiger : In early 1/91, I flew HNL-OGG on an AA DC-10.
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