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Obesity Tax As The Next Surcharge?  
User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Hello all. Forgive me if this has been discussed in other forum's but I ran across this article and couldn't help but look beyond the obvious. Yes passengers of size impact the yield on a flight as described in the article but my question is could this catch on and be uniform?? Thoughts??

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...oses-costs-on-everyone-517230/?p=2

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User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3066 times:
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Airlines in the past have charged people of size for two seats, especially if the airline could sell the second seat to another passenger. Coach seats are about 16 inches wide and it does not take much to fill one up. This may become a problem for the heavier passenger. They can always buy a first class seat as they are wider. Flying is an elective choice and the choices offered the larger passenger may become less accommodating, unless they want to pay for more space.   

User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3735 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

The danger is that overweight people are an ever increasing portion of airlines' customers. Tighten the rules too much and you'll lose clients.
It's quite reasonable to charge for an extra seat when the flight is full to compensate for lost revenue and to let it slide and arrange for an empty seat next to the pax when it isn't.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7192 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 1):
Airlines in the past have charged people of size for two seats, especially if the airline could sell the second seat to another passenger.

There have been some cases where an obese passenger more or less "failed" to report that he/she is obese, and IIRC a US flight from PHX - DTW earlier this year was an example of this: the flight was full and the obese passenger bought one seat but took 2 seats; the man whose seat was taken had to stand up for most of the flight (I'm not sure how he was allowed to do this.)

IMO the protocol should be that if an obese passenger can't fit in one seat they need to pay for 2 seats or pay for first class. If the flight is full and that passenger didn't pay for 2 seats, I think he should be kicked off the flight for the sake of the passenger and re-booked.

Just my opinion, though.

Quoting rotating14 (Thread starter):
could this catch on and be uniform?? Thoughts??

I don't know how airlines could "build bigger" for the obese. It's a problem (especially in the USA) and shouldn't be accommodated as such.



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
I don't know how airlines could "build bigger" for the obese. It's a problem (especially in the USA) and shouldn't be accommodated as such.


Wasn't there a thread here not very long ago about Airbus offering wider aisle seats to airlines in A320s, by making other seats and aisle slightly narrower? This to accommodate obese passengers.



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User currently offlinecanadianpylon From Canada, joined May 2003, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
I don't know how airlines could "build bigger" for the obese. It's a problem (especially in the USA) and shouldn't be accommodated as such.

Ya have to be careful, because in some countries obesity is considered a disability. From here 'The Supreme Court cleared the way Thursday for disabled people - including the severely obese - to be entitled to a free extra seat on domestic flights after refusing to consider an appeal by Air Canada and WestJet.'

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 1):
Coach seats are about 16 inches wide and it does not take much to fill one up.

This could explain why Embraer Jets are so popular with flyers, as they have 18.5 inch coach seats.

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 1):
Flying is an elective choice

According to the Canadian government, it is critical to operation of our country, and therefor should never be allowed to have a strike or lockout.   



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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 963 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
I don't know how airlines could "build bigger" for the obese. It's a problem (especially in the USA) and shouldn't be accommodated as such.

I have no problem with the 16 inches or so between the armrests in economy class. I can sit with both armrests down with about an inch of extra space. Not spacious, but acceptable.

What I find is terribly lacking is shoulder space! At 23 inches from shoulder to shoulder, I cannot fit within the width of an economy class seatback - a middle seat is out of the question, I either have to lean forward or twist diagonally to fit between two others, terribly uncomfortable on a longer flight. I usually sit in the aisle seat, but if there is another passenger in the middle seat, one of my shoulders/arms is in the aisle and gets hit by every passing passenger, flight attendant and beverage cart. I do not like middle seats, and I do not like to crowd someone who is stuck in one with my arm, elbow or shoulder.




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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 5):
because in some countries obesity is considered a disability. From here 'The Supreme Court cleared the way Thursday for disabled people - including the severely obese - to be entitled to a free extra seat on domestic flights after refusing to consider an appeal by Air Canada and WestJet.'

Obesity is absolutely not a disability. It is an addiction, a disease. But, I am not a medical doctor or anything, so... would alcoholics be treated with similar compassion while drunk?


User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Medical condition, disability, whatever... as far as I know I am not entitled to a free business class seat whenever my herniated disk is acting up. And the 6'5'' guy isn't automatically entitled to an exit row, or a free upgrade at the rental car counter when he discovers he cannot fit into an economy car. I bet every last one of us has some sort of physical or personality trait that requires extra expenditure...that's the way life is. If you take up 2 seats, buy 2 damn seats.

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 7):
would alcoholics be treated with similar compassion while drunk?

This is exactly what I was about to suggest! If I'm an alcoholic who will go into withdrawal on a 5 hour domestic leg, should I be given free booze? I didn't think so. Airlines shouldn't have to pay because Canadians and Americans have no self-control and take no responsibility for their health, then bitch when faced with the consequence as such.

Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 5):
According to the Canadian government, it is critical to operation of our country, and therefor should never be allowed to have a strike or lockout.

Watch yourself. Wrong thread  



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