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Carry-On Bags These Days...  
User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5442 times:

Well, it's been a while since I've posted here so I thought it was time to contribute to this great forum.

So it's no joke that people are bringing way too big and way too many bags onto US flights these days, due to checked bag fees. Thanks to arrogant business travelers and people who are too cheap to check their bags, overhead bins are now so popular that people are constantly rushing to board. But we should all know that by now. So what can we do to solve this problem? How about airlines raise fares by $25 across the board and say that the first bag flies free? Sounds great to me...

Now read this article:

http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/...r/da9bf14621874d6e815157ce4090c34d

      Oh this makes me mad. Seriously, you think that designing bigger overhead bins is going to solve the problem? Come on! Like the saying goes, "If you build it, they will come." This only means that people are going to try and bring even MORE crap onboard flights now. Installing bigger bins is like buying bigger pants as a solution to a weight problem.

If anything, airlines should either install smaller, CRJ-sized bins that won't fit a rollaboard, or just get rid of the bins entirely! A 22 inch wheeled bag does not belong on an aircraft. I don't care who you are or how impatient/cheap you are about checking bags. Which is why I believe that the carry-on allowance should be one small bag per person, that fits under the seat in front of you.

So... What do you think? How would you solve this problem?

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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7271 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
If anything, airlines should either install smaller, CRJ-sized bins that won't fit a rollaboard,

Yes. I think this is the best compromise rather than none at all.

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
Which is why I believe that the carry-on allowance should be one small bag per person, that fits under the seat in front of you.

Precisely. It should be for valuables and essential inflight things not for everything else. A retro airline issued carry on is my current carry on, unless I'm traveling with my photographic backpack, which still fits easily under - even with a laptop. Roller bags should be banned. They are a pain at security screening they are a pain when you're walking in a crowd and they're a pain anywhere near the boarding gate. If it has wheels it is by definition to "carry on"


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

We'll I hate to burst all your bubbles today, but if the airline allows me to bring it onboard...then I am going to bring it onboard.

If they want to solve an issue, they should police it a little bit better. Since they don't, I'm left to assume it's not as big an issue as some make it out to be.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
So... What do you think?



Remember immediately after 9/11 there was NO carry-on baggage and boarding was fast, uneventful, no slamming of overhead bins, and it all worked? Was it an inconvenience to me, yes it was yet I didn't care as there was no option. Start giving options and attitudes change toward bringing your stuff on the airplane.

In the for what it's worth department........Do I carry-on now, YES. Do I bring my entire house, NO. Do I want to get on the aircraft early so I have overhead space above my row, YES. Am I subject to paying bag fees, NO.

I don't check bags because I want off the plane and on my way as quickly as I can, particularly on the way home from a trip. If there were no overheads on aircraft it would piss me off initially, but when you take time to realize your boarding time could be much less as well as deplane time and an airline could turn the plane faster and get you on the way, I'd probably get home faster and that is what matters to me!

Just let me take my laptop and I'll be fine.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

All I ever want to bring on board is my briefcase. It is a little large (too large for Ryanair) but fits under the seat just fine. I don't mind paying the fees when I'm in the US, and fortunately, don't have to terribly often, because most of my flying these days from the US is back to SZG. But even on those trips, I still see people (having presumably used their one free checked bag) still cramming bags into the overhead bins.

What exactly are people bringing on vacation that can't go in one bag?


User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
If anything, airlines should either install smaller, CRJ-sized bins that won't fit a rollaboard, or just get rid of the bins entirely! A 22 inch wheeled bag does not belong on an aircraft. I don't care who you are or how impatient/cheap you are about checking bags. Which is why I believe that the carry-on allowance should be one small bag per person, that fits under the seat in front of you.

I hear your frustrations, but banning wheeled bags is an unnecessary step. Simply enforcing a basic set of rules would go a long way towards resolving the problems.

Standard "22in" wheeled bags (I have one) fit "wheels-in" in every modern overhead bin on a mainline aircraft. The actual length of my bag is closer to 23in, but it still fits comfortably. It fits sideways into E-Jet bins, but that isn't a problem in a 2x2 configuration. MD80s are a problem, but one that will solve itself as AA and others phase out their fleets. Most Boeing and Airbus planes delivered in the last 15 years have extended bins.

Here are the fundamental problems as I seem them:

1) Bringing two bags when neither can fit under the seat. There are some huge "purses" out there.

1A) Bringing two bags and putting both in the overhead bin, even though one actually fits under the seat.

2) "Expandable" wheeled bags which, when expanded, are too tall for the bins. My bag is expandable, but I never use it because I know it won't fit that way.

3) 24-26" bags, huge duffel bags, non rectangular bags, and other large or odd-shaped stuff that people bring onboard.

The easy thing to do is block these people at security. One guy with a yardstick and a bit of training can easily spot the obvious baggage hogs. Telling people to un-expand their bags or check them won't solve all of the problems, but I bet it would cut them by 75%.


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5343 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 4):
What exactly are people bringing on vacation that can't go in one bag?

Everybody has a different situation when they travel, and to assume everyone has a similar situation is propostorous...and a common assertion on this site.

I regularly travel to take a diving trip. All my diving equipment easily fills one large checked bag, and will weigh approximately 35-45lbs depending on where I am going. Colder water means I have to bring my heavier wetsuit and other heavier neoprene items. If I do not want to check a second bag, I will be forced to max that bag out to 50lbs and fill my carryon with whatever else I can.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 5):
The easy thing to do is block these people at security. One guy with a yardstick and a bit of training can easily spot the obvious baggage hogs. Telling people to un-expand their bags or check them won't solve all of the problems, but I bet it would cut them by 75%.

I agree with you in premise...but security is not where this should be happening.
It should be happening at the check-in counter. For two reasons: First off: It is not securities job to police airline passengers. This is more important at checkpoints that are not airline specific (i.e. one airline doesnt occupy the whole terminal). Secondly: no one would be thrilled with getting all the way to security and then being told to go back to where you just came from to deal with your bag.

At least the gate staff has the option of gate-checking your bag with little inconvenience to the customer. If they charge you, they charge you.



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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5313 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 6):
I agree with you in premise...but security is not where this should be happening.
It should be happening at the check-in counter. For two reasons: First off: It is not securities job to police airline passengers. This is more important at checkpoints that are not airline specific (i.e. one airline doesnt occupy the whole terminal). Secondly: no one would be thrilled with getting all the way to security and then being told to go back to where you just came from to deal with your bag.

At least the gate staff has the option of gate-checking your bag with little inconvenience to the customer. If they charge you, they charge you

People who check-in online and don't want to check bags go straight to security, though, thereby missing the counter. Gate agents are the last line of defense, so maybe that is the best place for a size check.

The TSA does care about how many bags you have and what constitutes a personal item - this is from their website:

"Carry-on baggage is a small piece of luggage you take onboard the airplane with you. You are allowed one carry-on in addition to one personal item such as a laptop computer, purse, small backpack, briefcase, or camera case."


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7271 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 6):
At least the gate staff has the option of gate-checking your bag with little inconvenience to the customer
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 7):
Gate agents are the last line of defense, so maybe that is the best place for a size check.

Here's the problem at the gate, Not all passengers are in the gate all at the one time, passengers travel in groups where one person does the carrying and board separately, Passengers lie outright to your face, argue with you all of which you do not have time to muck around with one passenger when you have 360 passengers to depart in half an hour, ,that gives you about 5 seconds per passenger to interact, check passports, boarding passes, system responses and weigh baggage, confront the passenger and direct them to the Gate Agent. Sorry but it is not going to happen at the present time.

Passengers deliberately withhold themselves and their baggage by entering the gate deliberately as late as they can - knowing there is not enough time in the boarding procedure to individually weigh and tag and measure every single bag that goes on board, then argue, charge, then tag their bags. I have seen so many scenarios, including using unrealistic, unprofitable levels of staff at a gate to just check cabin luggage and it still does not work as well as it should, in a time when most airlines are losing more money they don't have huge sums of money to spend on extra staff at gates.


User currently onlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Haha, I guess I might as well confess... yall are gonna hate me for this... last month flying LGA-DTW on the 6am (it's always real empty -- keep this in mind!!) I got to LGA 5 minutes too late to check bags. As a silver medallion and DL Amex cardmember I get 2 free checked bags, and my plan was to actually check two for this trip (after DTW I continued to PWM on a 9E CR2). When the kiosk wouldn't let me check my bag an agent happened to walk over and said to go to customer service... like hell I'd go there... I started stuffing my two carry-ons into one of the bags I was gonna check and he said go now or you'll miss your flight! I still had 30 minutes before they would shut the door so I pretty much ignored him. Went thru the sky priority lane, out of security in under 10 minutes, and carried my two huge bags onto the A320, and they both fit! Like I said that flight is always real empty so it wasn't an issue. If it were more crowded I would have gate checked it.

When I got to DTW I took out my messenger bag (one of my original carry-ons) and gate checked my two larger bags (one of which carried another bag inside) for the CRJ flight.

Haters gonna hate      

Anyway, I agree, the amount of stuff people take onto planes these days is just ridiculous. Many of my travels end up involving regionals so I usually check at least one bag since it's free. Way back in 2002, JetBlue placed a big order with Raisbeck for larger overhead bin doors so they could hold more bags (see article here) but I think that's worked out for them (although I think Airbus bins come that size now).

-J.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 7):
People who check-in online and don't want to check bags go straight to security, though, thereby missing the counter. Gate agents are the last line of defense, so maybe that is the best place for a size check.

Yes that is a good exception you point out. Shows that there is no real good solution because of all the loopholes that the airline's have really kind of created themselves. Of course, I realize they do it all in the name of customer convenience so it is a true "Catch 22"

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
Here's the problem at the gate, Not all passengers are in the gate all at the one time, passengers travel in groups where one person does the carrying and board separately, Passengers lie outright to your face, argue with you all of which you do not have time to muck around with one passenger when you have 360 passengers to depart in half an hour, ,that gives you about 5 seconds per passenger to interact, check passports, boarding passes, system responses and weigh baggage, confront the passenger and direct them to the Gate Agent. Sorry but it is not going to happen at the present time.

Passengers deliberately withhold themselves and their baggage by entering the gate deliberately as late as they can - knowing there is not enough time in the boarding procedure to individually weigh and tag and measure every single bag that goes on board, then argue, charge, then tag their bags. I have seen so many scenarios, including using unrealistic, unprofitable levels of staff at a gate to just check cabin luggage and it still does not work as well as it should, in a time when most airlines are losing more money they don't have huge sums of money to spend on extra staff at gates.

You are also correct. See my reply above...people are crafty there is no doubt about it.

I guess the moral of the story...no one wins (except the light traveller with a simple carry on!)



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User currently offlineBe77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Hey, here's a novel idea...how about getting baggage unloaded and onto the carousel in say fifteen minutes or less, all the time. 10 minutes would be better, but fifteen might work. I will check my carry on even when I don't have to and i am going somewhere that iI know I won't have to wait around for 30 to 60 minutes to get my bag. Usually that means I am checking it only when going to small airports of course, since for some reason the larger and more efficient an airport is, then the longer it takes to get my bags.
As *A gold, I am allowed 3 bags at 70 pounds, but usually am travelling with one carry one and a computer bag...so the cost or amount do not affect my checked bag decisions. It is always the time to retrieve that decides it...and of course on AC at least the 'priority' bag handling makes a difference....but it still takes more than 20 minutes most of the time, and of course it does not help formy travel companions who do not get the priority handling, so when we have bags, it is a lost hour or so.
Other bag issues of course are the lost or theft risk for valuables (or even if not valuable, it is difficult to rlace some items in a hurry when travelling).
So, I think my main point is that if the baggage service was a little better, people might be more inclined to use it, instead of carrying it aboard.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
So... What do you think?

To be brutally honest, I think you may have an anger issue if carry-on bags annoy you this much.

Additionally, there are people who aren't even allowed to check bags (company rules) but still travel for several days at a time - I ought to know because I'm one of them. At 1.91m, my clothes take up more space than those of your standardised 1.75m human being, putting an extra pair of shoes in my carry-on is impossible.

Parents travelling with children need more stuff... from diapers and baby food to games and crayons, I wouldn't want to humour all the bored children if none of those items could be brought aboard.

People who go on a business trip, emergency family visit or similar for one night don't want to waste time waiting for their luggage.

Duty Free shops wouldn't like your proposal very much either and they account for airport revenue which would otherwise need to be generated through e.g. higher landing fees.

Musical instruments - how about replacing a $10,000 violin that got broken during baggage handling? The same goes for photo equipment; it's voluminous, delicate and expensive.

Speaking of expensive, with all the horror stories of baggage thieves floating around, people are of course going to be concerned about the safety of their (very) personal belongings... and losing your favourite items to a fault in the baggage system is just as annoying.

My point is this: there are many, many good reasons why people would rather take their things with them. Your aggressive reaction to that doesn't make much sense.

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
How would you solve this problem?

Stop monetising the first checked bag or limit it to 10kg if you absolutely have to keep nickle-and-diming your customers.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 6):
Everybody has a different situation when they travel, and to assume everyone has a similar situation is propostorous...and a common assertion on this site.

Amen.  yes 

[Edited 2012-03-20 19:50:05]


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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
Additionally, there are people who aren't even allowed to check bags (company rules) but still travel for several days at a time - I ought to know because I'm one of them. At 1.91m, my clothes take up more space than those of your standardised 1.75m human being, putting an extra pair of shoes in my carry-on is impossible.

That begs the question: how do you get around the "1+1"? Do you carry on more than is allowed by the airline?

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
People who go on a business trip, emergency family visit or similar for one night don't want to waste time waiting for their luggage.

If they're only gone for a day or two, a standard wheeled-upright (within size limitations) should be more than enough.

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
Musical instruments - how about replacing a $10,000 violin that got broken during baggage handling? The same goes for photo equipment; it's voluminous, delicate and expensive.

Most of those items are allowed as carry-on/personal items (some of which can fit quite comfortably under the seat in front of you).

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
My point is this: there are many, many good reasons why people would rather take their things with them.

You're absolutely right, but it shouldn't happen at the expense of everyone else - many of whom may have reason just as important to carry their items onboard.

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
Stop monetising the first checked bag or limit it to 10kg if you absolutely have to keep nickle-and-diming your customers.

While some airlines do nickel-and-dime their customers, others don't, and they experience just as much headache with carry-ons as those that do charge. B6, for example, only charges for the 2nd checked bag, and WN doesn't charge for either (both, however, will charge for excess weight). It was mentioned earlier, but I'll reiterate: cost isn't the be-all, end-all of the decision of the customer to bring their items onboard. Convenience is another factor. Unfortunately, in an effort to increase space for the passenger as well as reduce the weight of an aircraft, overhead bins are not designed to carry everyone's wheeled-upright as well as their equipment.

I can't tell you how many times I've encountered luggage that was not only too large, but too heavy to fit into the OHB (keep in mind that OHBs have weight limits, too). The excuse given by the customer was "Well, I don't feel like waiting for it at baggage claim". Yet, their luggage is clearly too much for the cabin. Where's the solution? Growing up, I always checked my larger bags, and never had a problem waiting for it - usually the wait is between 10 and 15 minutes. If 10-15 minutes is too long to wait, I would suggest booking an earlier flight to avoid the stress of lost time.

I do understand that some people have to travel at the last minute, and don't have time to spare, but even those people must understand that not every airline can make special arrangements for their needs - at the last minute. Suppose airline XYZ had a flight with 150 customers, each with a last-minute boarding pass, each with carry-ons that absolutely could not be checked. The OHBs can't accomodate *everyone*, so who's bag gets checked, and why? After all, we're assuming that they all have a tight schedule and can't afford to wait for their luggage at baggage claim. Someone will have to wait.

I agree that improving the time between block-in and baggage retrieval would be a blessing, but with enough bags, it takes time to first offload them, then drive the trolley to the conveyor, then sort the O&D from the connections, then reunite bags with customer. That it can be achieved in 10-15 mins is actually a good thing!



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 13):
That begs the question: how do you get around the "1+1"? Do you carry on more than is allowed by the airline?

No, I don't have a need to. I have an IATA-sized carry-on suitcase (hard shell and non-extendable) and I spend a lot of time packing it. That is my personal luggage. On top of that, there is my courier box for which I have a letter exempting me from Lufthansa's limitation to 1 item; inside the US, I've never had any comments about its somewhat excessive size for a second item. If I'm flying on an RJ with a limitation on carry-on size, I drop my suitcase on the jetbridge and the box goes under the seat in front of me - so it's my comfort and mine only that is affected.

That's why I can find no reason to agree with this statement:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
A 22 inch wheeled bag does not belong on an aircraft.



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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 14):

Ahhhhh ok, I see your point now. Cheers! And yes, I agree with you; in fact, 22" is the size of many FA's wheeled-uprights. And they fit comfortably in the OHBs. Most size-wise containers make provisions of up to 22", and sometimes 24". My apologies: for a while I thought you were trying to justify bringing onboard more than the allotted "1+1" (I've seen it happen far too often haha).



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
Remember immediately after 9/11 there was NO carry-on baggage and boarding was fast, uneventful, no slamming of overhead bins, and it all worked?

I don't recall any US airline other than Pan Am 3 banning carry-on bags after 9/11. The rise in the issue with carry-on bags is a more recent one with the rise of checked baggage fees.

Quoting Be77 (Reply 11):

Hey, here's a novel idea...how about getting baggage unloaded and onto the carousel in say fifteen minutes or less, all the time. 10 minutes would be better, but fifteen might work. I will check my carry on even when I don't have to and i am going somewhere that iI know I won't have to wait around for 30 to 60 minutes to get my bag

This is something that is impossible since every airport is different, especially at hub airports. I know I have waited 30-45 minutes at LAS for a checked bag off of a Delta flight on several occasions, but at my home airport (ATL), I've had my checked bag beat me to the baggage claim (or arrive within a minute or two of getting to the baggage claim. You can factor in the fact that at somewhere like LAS pretty all of the bags have LAS as their final destination while at ATL, the bulk of the bags off of a flight are typically heading to another flight.

In some respects, Spirit Airlines is on to something with the carry-on bag fee. However, other airlines seem to be hesitant to start charging for carry-on bags.

Last year I flew a total of six legs the entire year and 4 of the 6 legs I opted to check my bag instead of carrying it onboard. It really is nice to get on and not have to fight for overhead bin space. The one trip in which I carried my bag on, the flight out wasn't any problem at all since the a/c had the larger bins that can accommodate roller bags. The return I was able to get space close by, but DL's 763s in domestic service do not have the larger bins so roller bags have to be placed in the side bins. As a result, sometimes all of that space gets used up and passengers that board towards the end either have to put their bag a number of rows away from their seat or have to gate check it (although some passengers do that purposely in order to try to beat the system and get their bag checked for free).

I think airlines should at the very least allow one free checked bag, as the typical traveler usually has just one bag. If someone wants to check more than one bag, charge them say $50 for it (basically remove the checked baggage fee for the first bag, but retain the other fee levels).


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 16):
I don't recall any US airline other than Pan Am 3 banning carry-on bags after 9/11.



Not sure it was the airlines that banned them, but the newly formed gov't agency we've all come to love so very much. I clearly remember flying on CO (Never Forget The Name) on 9/20 and again on 9/22, all bags had to be checked except for things like laptops and purses.



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User currently offlinearmitageshanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3631 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

If you're going to charge me for my first bag I'm going to try and cram as much as possible in my carry on.

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4925 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 17):
Not sure it was the airlines that banned them, but the newly formed gov't agency we've all come to love so very much. I clearly remember flying on CO (Never Forget The Name) on 9/20 and again on 9/22, all bags had to be checked except for things like laptops and purses.

The TSA was established a little more than two months after the 9/11 Attacks, and not immediately after.

http://www.tsa.gov/research/tribute/history.shtm


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 16):
This is something that is impossible since every airport is different, especially at hub airports. I know I have waited 30-45 minutes at LAS for a checked bag off of a Delta flight on several occasions, but at my home airport (ATL), I've had my checked bag beat me to the baggage claim (or arrive within a minute or two of getting to the baggage claim. You can factor in the fact that at somewhere like LAS pretty all of the bags have LAS as their final destination while at ATL, the bulk of the bags off of a flight are typically heading to another flight.

I have a possible explanation for those numbers. Watch a turnaround from the terminal while waiting for a flight at a non-hub airport, a fairly small one like RNO. The incoming bags are unloaded, then sit on the ramp next to the aircraft while the outgoing bags are loaded. Then the baggage guys haul the arriving bags to the belt and unload them. The problem is that the airline may have only one small baggage handling crew and they are more interested in turning the aircraft then worrying about the arriving passengers.

Those arriving passengers in the front of the aircraft get to baggage claim right away (its not a very long walk compared to the big cities), wait a long time, and vow not to check anything ever again. The ones in the back of a 757 will wait 15 minutes to get to the door, so the baggage seems to arrive quickly.

At Delta's hub in ATL there are probably enough baggage handlers around so that they can take the bags to the belt before loading is finished. Also, depending where you are at ATL, it may take a long time for the passenger to get there.

Many years ago RNO decided to spend a lot of money enlarging baggage claim because so many people waited so long for their bags. I argued with a couple of airport commissioners that a better use of the money would be to hire a couple of people to just take the loaded carts to baggage claim and unload them instead of waiting for the airline crews to do it. 2 or 3 people per shift could have handled all the traffic. Everyone would be happier and baggage claim could be half as large as what they built. I was told the airlines insisted on doing it themselves. It might have been a union issue.

RNO is now updating baggage claim. Half of the new area is now open. It may be the nicest bag claim area in the US. At least you wait in a pretty room.

When I do check bags arriving in RNO I typically wait about 3 times longer than the drive home. See why I don't like to check bags?


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1632 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 4786 times:

I often travel to scientific research conferences or craniofacial family retreats, and once a year to visit family at Christmas.

I have to carry my CPAP machine everywhere, and often my laptop (for presentations at meetings) and often my violin (I entertain on many of my trips), so I use a carry-on bag that can accommodate both my CPAP machine and laptop. So I almost always carry on two bags--the carry-on with my CPAP and laptop in it and my violin case.

Going through security with these two bags, I have to strip myself of my shoes, belt, and watch, plus take both my CPAP and laptop out of my bag, and carry all of these items in both arms along with my violin case through the queue and through the checkpoint, and put myself all back together plus my stuff back in my carry-on bag.

Meanwhile, my larger suitcase has been checked in (often with the ridiculous bag fee, but often I avoid the fee by either using a United Travel Option that allows me to skip the fee or I fly Southwest, which do not charge for 2 bags).

These headaches could be avoided by 1) making security more efficient and able to scan people without stripping and pulling everything out of their bags), 2) eliminating the first and second checked bag fees, or even 3) inventing teleportation.
I'm working on that last part  

SmithAir747



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 21):
3) inventing teleportation.
I'm working on that last part  

Haha me too. I actually was thinking about this today. The man or woman who invents this is going to be rich beyond their wildest dreams! But alas...



I sell airplanes and airplane accessories
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 19):
The TSA was established a little more than two months after the 9/11 Attacks, and not immediately after.

I didn't know what the timing was of the TSA, so the airlines must have put in the no carry on ban. Thanks



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 23):
I didn't know what the timing was of the TSA, so the airlines must have put in the no carry on ban.

I don't recall any major US airline banning carry-on bags after 9/11, as it would have been mentioned quite a bit here at that time (as well as in the media), and the only US airline that did so in the wake of 9/11 was Pan Am:

New Pan Am Prohibits Carry-on Bags! (by Boeing757/767 Sep 25 2001 in Civil Aviation)
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...n-baggage-laptop-computers-checked


User currently onlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1109 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 7):
The TSA does care about how many bags you have

TSA has NO business getting involved in anything OTHER than SECURITY issues. Whether you have one bag, 2 bags, or 10 bags, it's no business of their's.

I suspect most people who carry anything larger than a briefcase onboard are doing it either because of the checked luggage fees or the inability of the airlines to consistantly return checked luggage in a timely manner. Both of these situations have been created by the industry!!!


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7271 posts, RR: 13
Reply 26, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 24):
I don't recall any major US airline banning carry-on bags after 9/11

It was after the shoe bomber and London bombings that happened. It was bliss...


User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 1):
Yes. I think this is the best compromise rather than none at all.
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 1):
Precisely. It should be for valuables and essential inflight things not for everything else.

  

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 1):
Roller bags should be banned. They are a pain at security screening they are a pain when you're walking in a crowd and they're a pain anywhere near the boarding gate. If it has wheels it is by definition to "carry on"

Exactly. It's called "carry-on," not "drag-on." Ban all wheeled bags as carry-ons, instead require that people check them for free at the counter. If they are caught with them at the gate, the bag is checked and the passenger is charged $25.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 2):
We'll I hate to burst all your bubbles today, but if the airline allows me to bring it onboard...then I am going to bring it onboard.

    Seriously, this is the mindset that every arrogant traveler has, which is why this problem exists to begin with. Why do you think overhead bins fill so quickly? Because of the "If I CAN bring it on then it's OK."

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
Remember immediately after 9/11 there was NO carry-on baggage and boarding was fast, uneventful, no slamming of overhead bins, and it all worked?

Sounds great to me...

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
Just let me take my laptop and I'll be fine.

Indeed, which is why I am so puzzled as to this:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
Do I carry-on now, YES. Do I bring my entire house, NO. Do I want to get on the aircraft early so I have overhead space above my row, YES.

Make up your mind!

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
I don't check bags because I want off the plane and on my way as quickly as I can, particularly on the way home from a trip.
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
I'd probably get home faster and that is what matters to me!

Whatever happened to patience in this world?

Quoting LOWS (Reply 4):
I don't mind paying the fees when I'm in the US

Same here. Wish everyone had that mindset...

Quoting LOWS (Reply 4):
What exactly are people bringing on vacation that can't go in one bag?

   Couldn't agree more. Or, why not check-in a couple of big suitcases and carry a few in-flight/personal items with you in a SMALL bag on board?

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 5):
I hear your frustrations, but banning wheeled bags is an unnecessary step. Simply enforcing a basic set of rules would go a long way towards resolving the problems.

You make a good point there...

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 5):
Standard "22in" wheeled bags (I have one) fit "wheels-in" in every modern overhead bin on a mainline aircraft. The actual length of my bag is closer to 23in, but it still fits comfortably.

Just it because it CAN fit doesn't mean it SHOULD fit.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 5):
Here are the fundamental problems as I seem them:

   Agreed.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 5):
The easy thing to do is block these people at security. One guy with a yardstick and a bit of training can easily spot the obvious baggage hogs. Telling people to un-expand their bags or check them won't solve all of the problems, but I bet it would cut them by 75%.

That sounds like it could work, too.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 6):
Everybody has a different situation when they travel, and to assume everyone has a similar situation is propostorous...and a common assertion on this site.

Perhaps...

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 7):
People who check-in online and don't want to check bags go straight to security


Sad, but true. Like I said earlier, I'm really confused as to why people (air travelers in this case) are so impatient. This is another reason I'm against online check-in. For the points you raise, it ought to be required for all pax to have their bags "size-checked" at the counter BEFORE they go to security, even if they have web boarding passes. (Thus lowering the incentive to using OLCI.)

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
when most airlines are losing more money they don't have huge sums of money to spend on extra staff at gates.

But if US airlines need more gate staff (like you mention), then they need more gate staff. Every time I fly I always see that airlines need more employees at the gate, as well as at check-in.

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 9):
I got to LGA 5 minutes too late to check bags.

Wait... what were the cutoff times? What time do you usually get to the airport?

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 9):
Many of my travels end up involving regionals so I usually check at least one bag since it's free.

You mean, gate-checking bags at the door for CRJ flights? Because that's always free.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 10):
no one wins (except the light traveller with a simple carry on!)

Okay, I have seriously had it with the taking pride in not checking bags. I just don't get it. Just because you're trying to carry everything onboard doesn't make you better or give you any privileges over anyone else. I check a bag every time I fly because I feel it's right, and that I don't feel that I deserve to occupy overhead space. Does it cost $25 each way? Yes. Do I pay the fees? Yes. Do I complain about it? No. Do I feel it's right to charge $25 for a checked bag? No, but that's called "going with the flow."

Quoting Be77 (Reply 11):
Hey, here's a novel idea...how about getting baggage unloaded and onto the carousel in say fifteen minutes or less, all the time. 10 minutes would be better, but fifteen might work.

Some airlines (like AS) do this already. If your bags don't arrive within 20 minutes of your flight's GATE arrival, then you get a travel voucher per bag that hasn't arrived. (I want to say it's $20 per bag, but I don't fly AS so I'm not sure.)

However, in my experience, I've never, ever had to wait more than 10-15 minutes for up to 4 or even 6 checked bags to arrive, even at big airports like SFO, LAX, DFW, or BOS. Am I just getting lucky, or...?

Quoting Be77 (Reply 11):
As *A gold, I am allowed 3 bags at 70 pounds

So take advantage of it!

Quoting Be77 (Reply 11):
I will check my carry on even when I don't have to

Excellent. I wish there were more people who had your mindset!  
Quoting Be77 (Reply 11):
so when we have bags, it is a lost hour or so.

What is one hour really going to save you after you've spent 4-6 (or more) hours traveling??

Quoting Be77 (Reply 11):
So, I think my main point is that if the baggage service was a little better, people might be more inclined to use it, instead of carrying it aboard.

My understanding is that baggage handlers are working hard to get your checked bags to you. I may be wrong, but I don't think that bag handlers are hanging around smoking cigarettes instead of delivering checked bags to impatient travelers like you.

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
To be brutally honest, I think you may have an anger issue if carry-on bags annoy you this much.

Okay, so I may have been a little heated in my OP as well as in some comments above. But yes, they do bother me.

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
Parents travelling with children need more stuff... from diapers and baby food to games and crayons, I wouldn't want to humour all the bored children if none of those items could be brought aboard.

Parents need to learn the inconveniences of traveling with children. They don't deserve any privilege over anyone else.

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
People who go on a business trip, emergency family visit or similar for one night don't want to waste time waiting for their luggage.

Then get a smaller bag, or better yet, don't complain about waiting for bags.

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
Duty Free shops wouldn't like your proposal very much either and they account for airport revenue which would otherwise need to be generated through e.g. higher landing fees.

Musical instruments - how about replacing a $10,000 violin that got broken during baggage handling? The same goes for photo equipment; it's voluminous, delicate and expensive.

Hence my mention earlier for using smaller, CRJ-sized bins (on all aircraft) that won't fit a rollaboard, but will fit things such as shopping bags, musical instruments, and photo gear. These are the things that should have utmost priority for being brought onboard, not your 23" rollaboard for your two-night business trip.

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 13):
Most of those items are allowed as carry-on/personal items (some of which can fit quite comfortably under the seat in front of you).
Quoting NASBWI (Reply 13):
Unfortunately, in an effort to increase space for the passenger as well as reduce the weight of an aircraft, overhead bins are not designed to carry everyone's wheeled-upright as well as their equipment.

     

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 13):
The excuse given by the customer was "Well, I don't feel like waiting for it at baggage claim".

Tough luck. Then learn to have patience.

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 13):
Where's the solution? Growing up, I always checked my larger bags, and never had a problem waiting for it - usually the wait is between 10 and 15 minutes. If 10-15 minutes is too long to wait, I would suggest booking an earlier flight to avoid the stress of lost time.

Same here, I couldn't agree more.

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 13):
That it can be achieved in 10-15 mins is actually a good thing!

Exactly. I think you are very impatient if you think that 10-15 minutes is too long to wait. Be77, I'm looking at you.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 16):
In some respects, Spirit Airlines is on to something with the carry-on bag fee.

Maybe if they didn't charge for a glass of water or printing a boarding pass.

Quoting armitageshanks (Reply 18):
If you're going to charge me for my first bag I'm going to try and cram as much as possible in my carry on.

         No! Seriously, you really think that's the solution?? Do you really think that going to help anything?

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 21):
These headaches could be avoided by 1) making security more efficient and able to scan people without stripping and pulling everything out of their bags), 2) eliminating the first and second checked bag fees

   Yep.

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 21):
or even 3) inventing teleportation.
I'm working on that last part

   Come on.


User currently onlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
Wait... what were the cutoff times? What time do you usually get to the airport?

Cutoff at LGA for checked bags w/ DL is 45 minutes... my flight was at 6 and I got out of the car at 5:20. Usually I get there sometime between 5 and 5:15 but my dad drove me and we had to walk to the car. I have a 6:15 flight out of JFK later this month and dad's coming with me this time, but we'll probably have a cab get us at 5. ...and I just realized JFK requires bags checked in an hour ahead so that cab will be here at 4:45  banghead 

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
You mean, gate-checking bags at the door for CRJ flights? Because that's always free.

Well of course it's free, but it's unusual if you're checking two bags well over the carry-on size limit, plus still actually carrying on another bag  

-J.

[Edited 2012-04-08 18:28:55]


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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 28):
my flight was at 6 and I got out of the car at 5:20.

 Wow! Cutting it kind of close, don't you think?

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 28):
Usually I get there sometime between 5 and 5:15 but my dad drove me and we had to walk to the car.

Jeez, what time do you usually get the airport? I would give yourself some more time, if I were you. For me, I always arrive at least 2 hours before departure for domestic travel, and least 3 hours for international travel. While I do want to make sure that I have enough time to comfortably check my bag(s) and clear security without rushing, I also want time just to walk around the terminal, take some pictures, maybe grab a bite to eat, and just relax. (I do love airports, as you might have noticed.) Then I usually head back to my gate 15-30 minutes before my flight is scheduled to board. I really hate rushing/running.

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 28):
I have a 6:15 flight out of JFK later this month and dad's coming with me this time, but we'll probably have a cab get us at 5. ...and I just realized JFK requires bags checked in an hour ahead so that cab will be here at 4:45

First off, you're talking about a 0615 departure, not 1815, right?
So my understanding is this - you're annoyed about having to leave 15 minutes earlier?

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 28):
Well of course it's free, but it's unusual if you're checking two bags well over the carry-on size limit, plus still actually carrying on another bag

Ah, I see.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 30, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
These are the things that should have utmost priority for being brought onboard

Why? As far as I am concerned, they

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
don't deserve any privilege over anyone else.

You also said that

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
Parents need to learn the inconveniences of traveling with children.

I for one think that you're the one who needs to learn: the inconveniences of an aviation industry that has monetised checked baggage. If you don't like that inconvenience, fly an airline that doesn't do that or use a different form of transport. There's no reason why millions of people should have to pay extra, lose time and fret over their personal belongings just because you consider their carry-on bags an inconvenience.



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User currently onlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 29):
Wow! Cutting it kind of close, don't you think?

Nahh not really... I need to be on the plane 10 minutes before departure right?  
Quoting AlnessW (Reply 29):
Jeez, what time do you usually get the airport? I would give yourself some more time, if I were you. For me, I always arrive at least 2 hours before departure for domestic travel, and least 3 hours for international travel. While I do want to make sure that I have enough time to comfortably check my bag(s) and clear security without rushing, I also want time just to walk around the terminal, take some pictures, maybe grab a bite to eat, and just relax. (I do love airports, as you might have noticed.) Then I usually head back to my gate 15-30 minutes before my flight is scheduled to board. I really hate rushing/running.

That's where we differ   I've flown through LGA (according to my flightmemory) 45 times and that's more than enough to know it's a dump. If I get there early and it looks like I'll have more than 30 minutes before I have to be on the plane I usually just go to the sky club.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 29):

First off, you're talking about a 0615 departure, not 1815, right?
So my understanding is this - you're annoyed about having to leave 15 minutes earlier?

Right, this is an early morning departure. I'm not that annoyed but dad sure will be!

-J.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 32, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 30):
fret over their personal belongings

Almost as if on cue, someone just posted this article over in the civil aviation forum:
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2011/1...other-confessions-airline-baggage/

Coffee, Sunscreen, Steel Tips And The Bag Handler. (by rightrudder Apr 5 2012 in Civil Aviation)



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 30):
Why? As far as I am concerned, they

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
don't deserve any privilege over anyone else.


So now you are contradicting yourself, because you said earlier:

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
Musical instruments - how about replacing a $10,000 violin that got broken during baggage handling? The same goes for photo equipment; it's voluminous, delicate and expensive.



These people don't deserve bag space onboard?

Quoting aloges (Reply 30):
You also said that

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
Parents need to learn the inconveniences of traveling with children.


Now you are comparing apples to oranges, what I said about parents has little affiliation with the topic at hand. I was simply mentioning it as a side note.

Quoting aloges (Reply 30):
I for one think that you're the one who needs to learn: the inconveniences of an aviation industry that has monetised checked baggage.


You think I haven't figured that out by now?

Quoting aloges (Reply 30):
If you don't like that inconvenience, fly an airline that doesn't do that


I would, but I wish there were more of them, and I wish that they weren't LCCs.

Quoting aloges (Reply 30):
or use a different form of transport.


Tell me a more efficient way to travel 3,000 miles across the US that doesn't involve flying.

Quoting aloges (Reply 30):
There's no reason why millions of people should have to pay extra


I agree, but that's called "going with the flow."

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 31):
Nahh not really... I need to be on the plane 10 minutes before departure right?


Well... Still sounds really close to me!

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 31):
That's where we differ


You've got that right!  
Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 31):
I've flown through LGA (according to my flightmemory) 45 times and that's more than enough to know it's a dump.


Ah, I see. I've never flown through LGA before, so I wouldn't know about their facility. Most of my (limited) travels involve PDX and BOS, and both airports are really nice and I enjoy spending time in them.

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 31):
I usually just go to the sky club.


And I don't (and probably never will) have that privilege.

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 31):
Right, this is an early morning departure. I'm not that annoyed but dad sure will be!

Ha! The rest of my family as well is quick to complain about early-morning departures or just flying in general. I'm finding that it's beginning to get difficult to travel with them because we are so different...

Quoting aloges (Reply 32):
Almost as if on cue, someone just posted this article over in the civil aviation forum:


Excellent article indeed.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 34, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 33):
So now you are contradicting yourself, because you said earlier:

AFAIK, musical instruments that fit can be brought onboard as long as space is available. So I don't really see the contradiction... anyway, it's not like those are a big   issue.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 33):
I agree, but that's called "going with the flow."

What exactly do you mean, that people should just put up with bag fees, loss/theft and damage risks and endless waits at the luggage belt? None of that goes with my flow, so I'll just stick to using my rollaboard whenever I have to or want to... which, BTW, fits beautifully into many overhead bins: upright and wheels first. It doesn't merely flow, it flies.  



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7271 posts, RR: 13
Reply 35, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 33):
These people don't deserve bag space onboard?

Of course they do, but that becomes their ONE (non elite entitlement) cabin baggage entitlement, provided it fits the dimensions/weights required. I travel with my camera equipment regularly but that is my only item onboard. I do not attempt to try and take another item with personal effects in it on board as well.

I also believe that the additional 'exceptions list' of laptop/handbag should be abolished, as this is abused. I have picked up 10-15kg "laptops" and "handbags" before. Either that or it should be clarified as laptop sleeve or purse.

It is and never has been a problem to take items such as wedding dresses, violins, camera bags and other fragile items onboard. It IS a problem when in addition to those fragile items you bring another backpack, roll-along and use another customers space on the plane.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
But if US airlines need more gate staff (like you mention), then they need more gate staff. Every time I fly I always see that airlines need more employees at the gate, as well as at check-in.

In theory yes I agree, but if it is the difference between being sustainable and still existing in the future then I'd rather they save their resources and stay profitable.


User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 34):
AFAIK, musical instruments that fit can be brought onboard as long as space is available.

I believe you are correct there, and I assume that they still need to adhere to the carry-on size rules. (i.e, no guitars.)

Quoting aloges (Reply 34):
So I don't really see the contradiction

Here it is again. You said:

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
Duty Free shops wouldn't like your proposal very much either and they account for airport revenue which would otherwise need to be generated through e.g. higher landing fees.

Musical instruments - how about replacing a $10,000 violin that got broken during baggage handling? The same goes for photo equipment; it's voluminous, delicate and expensive.

Then I responded with:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
Hence my mention earlier for using smaller, CRJ-sized bins (on all aircraft) that won't fit a rollaboard, but will fit things such as shopping bags, musical instruments, and photo gear. These are the things that should have utmost priority for being brought onboard

And then you deny it:

Quoting aloges (Reply 30):
As far as I am concerned, they

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
don't deserve any privilege over anyone else.

You follow me now?

Quoting aloges (Reply 34):
anyway, it's not like those are a big   issue.

As poorly worded as that is, I think you mean that musical instruments are legal carry-ons as long as they meet the standards.

Quoting aloges (Reply 34):
What exactly do you mean, that people should just put up with bag fees

Sure. That's what I do. Take a look at my earlier posting:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 27):
I check a bag every time I fly because I feel it's right, and that I don't feel that I deserve to occupy overhead space. Does it cost $25 each way? Yes. Do I pay the fees? Yes. Do I complain about it? No. Do I feel it's right to charge $25 for a checked bag? No
Quoting aloges (Reply 34):
loss/theft and damage risks and endless waits at the luggage belt?

"Endless waits?" Surely sir, you exaggerate.

Quoting aloges (Reply 34):
so I'll just stick to using my rollaboard whenever I have to or want to... which, BTW, fits beautifully into many overhead bins: upright and wheels first.

   You just don't see my point and that's OK. I've said numerous times before that just because a bag does fit in a bin doesn't mean it should. And the mindset of "my bag fits so I'm doing nothing wrong" is the reason why bins fill so quickly during boarding. The overhead bins of an A320, 757, etc are not designed to handle EVERYONE'S 22 inch rollaboards which "are OK because they fit."


Quoting aloges (Reply 34):
It doesn't merely flow, it flies.  

... What is that supposed to mean? And enough with the winking smilies. You're confusing me enough as it is.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 35):
Of course they do, but that becomes their ONE (non elite entitlement) cabin baggage entitlement, provided it fits the dimensions/weights required.

  

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 35):
I travel with my camera equipment regularly but that is my only item onboard. I do not attempt to try and take another item with personal effects in it on board as well.

Smart cameraman!  
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 35):
I also believe that the additional 'exceptions list' of laptop/handbag should be abolished, as this is abused. I have picked up 10-15kg "laptops" and "handbags" before. Either that or it should be clarified as laptop sleeve or purse.

It is and never has been a problem to take items such as wedding dresses, violins, camera bags and other fragile items onboard. It IS a problem when in addition to those fragile items you bring another backpack, roll-along and use another customers space on the plane.

Couldn't agree more.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 35):
In theory yes I agree, but if it is the difference between being sustainable and still existing in the future then I'd rather they save their resources and stay profitable.

Sad, but true.  


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 37, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
If anything, airlines should either install smaller, CRJ-sized bins that won't fit a rollaboard, or just get rid of the bins entirely!

The problem with that is, especially on Republic's E190's, the FA's need a place for their roller bags. They sure ain't gonna give them to some ramper....

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
How would you solve this problem?

Go back to the way things were and jack up the ticket price by $25.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 2):
If they want to solve an issue, they should police it a little bit better.

But they don't, they say they don't have the time to. But there are two agents per gate.... Hmm....

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
Remember immediately after 9/11 there was NO carry-on baggage and boarding was fast, uneventful, no slamming of overhead bins, and it all worked?

Uhh, I don't remember that. I flew on WN to PHX a week or so after 9/11 and I was allowed to carry on a roller board.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 7):
The TSA does care about how many bags you have and what constitutes a personal item

If that is the case, then they have a funny way of showing it..... They may have a policy, but they never enforce it.

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
My point is this: there are many, many good reasons why people would rather take their things with them.

I agree. Especially when you see the TSA on the news about a screener getting arrested for theft.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 38, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 36):
And the mindset of "my bag fits so I'm doing nothing wrong" is the reason why bins fill so quickly during boarding. The overhead bins of an A320, 757, etc are not designed to handle EVERYONE'S 22 inch rollaboards which "are OK because they fit."

Look, I have already said that my rollaboard often fits upright and wheels first... with some space for jackets left on top. That means there's space for three to four of these rollaboards in every regular overhead compartment which serves three people. And since I've never been on a flight where everyone had a rollaboard, I've never come close to "stealing" anyone's space. It's also pretty difficult to feel guilty about the thing because it's

Quoting aloges (Reply 14):
an IATA-sized carry-on suitcase (hard shell and non-extendable)

and hence within the size limits.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 36):
... What is that supposed to mean? And enough with the winking smilies. You're confusing me enough as it is.

Perhaps it would help if you realised that the many millions of passengers have just as many reasons to pack the way they pack. Don't judge them for it, they're not doing it to annoy anyone - after all, it would be more comfortable to check everything but the most essential things in, but sometimes that is just not feasible.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 39, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 5):
The easy thing to do is block these people at security. One guy with a yardstick and a bit of training can easily spot the obvious baggage hogs. Telling people to un-expand their bags or check them won't solve all of the problems, but I bet it would cut them by 75%.

Agreed. Spirit always has an agent at the security checkpoint at FLL checking carry-on baggage (primarily because they stand to profit from it).

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 6):
I agree with you in premise...but security is not where this should be happening.
It should be happening at the check-in counter. For two reasons: First off: It is not securities job to police airline passengers. This is more important at checkpoints that are not airline specific (i.e. one airline doesnt occupy the whole terminal). Secondly: no one would be thrilled with getting all the way to security and then being told to go back to where you just came from to deal with your bag.

Policing baggage at the checkpoint was the only time I ever hated my job, but it made the gate agents' lives easier and significantly sped up the boarding process, so I was happy to do my part.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 8):
Passengers deliberately withhold themselves and their baggage by entering the gate deliberately as late as they can - knowing there is not enough time in the boarding procedure to individually weigh and tag and measure every single bag that goes on board, then argue, charge, then tag their bags. I have seen so many scenarios, including using unrealistic, unprofitable levels of staff at a gate to just check cabin luggage and it still does not work as well as it should, in a time when most airlines are losing more money they don't have huge sums of money to spend on extra staff at gates.

Spirit agents, at least, are aware of this, and have no sympathy when a passenger hasn't paid for a carry-on bag (which is usually too large to qualify as a carry-on bag in the first place, but whatever), and it doesn't matter if the door is about to close—that bag is not coming on the airplane unless it's paid for.

Quoting armitageshanks (Reply 18):
If you're going to charge me for my first bag I'm going to try and cram as much as possible in my carry on.

What happens when airlines charge for both? This is exactly why airlines are starting to charge for carry-on baggage.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 29):
Jeez, what time do you usually get the airport? I would give yourself some more time, if I were you. For me, I always arrive at least 2 hours before departure for domestic travel, and least 3 hours for international travel. While I do want to make sure that I have enough time to comfortably check my bag(s) and clear security without rushing, I also want time just to walk around the terminal, take some pictures, maybe grab a bite to eat, and just relax. (I do love airports, as you might have noticed.) Then I usually head back to my gate 15-30 minutes before my flight is scheduled to board. I really hate rushing/running.

Especially if your airline, like Spirit, has cutoff times after which it's at the agent's discretion whether or not to check in a customer. At major airports, if a customer is not checked in within 45 minutes of the scheduled departure time (which is when boarding beings), he or she is considered late. This is commonly a source of friction, but again, it keeps the operation moving smoothly.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 40, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):
What happens when airlines charge for both?

You fly with a different airline.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 41, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 36):
The overhead bins of an A320, 757, etc are not designed to handle EVERYONE'S 22 inch rollaboards which "are OK because they fit."

I don't think I've ever been on a flight where more than half of the passengers had 22 inch roller bags, and many flights with a percentage that high are routes like BNA-MSP or BNA-DCA on CRJs where they all get valet checked anyway.

Quoting aloges (Reply 38):
Perhaps it would help if you realised that the many millions of passengers have just as many reasons to pack the way they pack.

  

Agreed. Time is money for many of us, and we can't get paid (or shouldn't get paid) for spending 30 or 45 minutes in the baggage claim hall. For folks like me, fees have little or nothing to do with the choice to check bags.

When I lived in Saint Louis, I flew often on a corporate contract that required travel on UA. I knew that if I was on the last couple of flights in from ORD or the last flight in from IAD, checked bags would beat passengers to the carousel. And you know what? I checked on those flights because I knew that it wouldn't slow me down. I know that's not always possible, but if passengers can count on bags hitting the belt quickly (or even on bags hitting the belt in X minutes), I think willingness to check would increase.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 41):
Agreed. Time is money for many of us, and we can't get paid (or shouldn't get paid) for spending 30 or 45 minutes in the baggage claim hall. For folks like me, fees have little or nothing to do with the choice to check bags.

When I lived in Saint Louis, I flew often on a corporate contract that required travel on UA. I knew that if I was on the last couple of flights in from ORD or the last flight in from IAD, checked bags would beat passengers to the carousel. And you know what? I checked on those flights because I knew that it wouldn't slow me down. I know that's not always possible, but if passengers can count on bags hitting the belt quickly (or even on bags hitting the belt in X minutes), I think willingness to check would increase.

On a recent visit to AMS, I was impressed with not only how quickly the bags came out, but also how the monitor displayed the estimated wait time for bags from each flight. this gave me confidence to go to the ticket automat, get my train ticket and go back to the bag reclaim, get the bag right as it was coming out, and make the train within 20 minutes of arriving in AMS.


User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 37):
The problem with that is, especially on Republic's E190's, the FA's need a place for their roller bags. They sure ain't gonna give them to some ramper....

Excellent point...

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 37):
I agree. Especially when you see the TSA on the news about a screener getting arrested for theft.

Then lock your luggage.

Quoting aloges (Reply 38):
Look, I have already said that my rollaboard often fits upright and wheels first... with some space for jackets left on top. That means there's space for three to four of these rollaboards in every regular overhead compartment which serves three people. And since I've never been on a flight where everyone had a rollaboard, I've never come close to "stealing" anyone's space. It's also pretty difficult to feel guilty about the thing because it's

Quoting aloges (Reply 14):
an IATA-sized carry-on suitcase (hard shell and non-extendable)

and hence within the size limits.

   My suggestion to you is to re-read my previous posts.

Quoting aloges (Reply 38):
Perhaps it would help if you realised that the many millions of passengers have just as many reasons to pack the way they pack. Don't judge them for it

I am not judging anyone here - I am simply voicing my opinion which you don't seem to understand.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):
Agreed. Spirit always has an agent at the security checkpoint at FLL checking carry-on baggage

So they are offering to check it for a fee instead of paying for it as a carry-on, or...?

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):
Policing baggage at the checkpoint was the only time I ever hated my job

Interesting to know, thanks for sharing.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):
and it doesn't matter if the door is about to close—that bag is not coming on the airplane unless it's paid for.

That sounds like NK! At least they enforce their rules...

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):
What happens when airlines charge for both? This is exactly why airlines are starting to charge for carry-on baggage.

And I am beginning to think that that not such a bad idea after all.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 41):
I don't think I've ever been on a flight where more than half of the passengers had 22 inch roller bags

I sure have! At least it felt like it, anyways. Some flights that I can remember that had to check a LOT of bags at the gate was UA BOS-SFO and AA BOS-DFW (on separate occasions). For the UA flight to SFO, of course the agents offered to check bags free of charge before boarding, but few people did. The bins of the 757 were full by the time the last group begun boarding (Group 4), so the agent had to check plenty of bags at the door of the aircraft. Luckily on the AA flight to DFW, many people voluntarily checked their bags, as there was a pretty big pile of rollaboards behind the podium before boarding began. So few bags had to be checked at the door, good news.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 41):
Agreed. Time is money for many of us, and we can't get paid (or shouldn't get paid) for spending 30 or 45 minutes in the baggage claim hall.

45 minutes???

Quoting LOWS (Reply 42):
On a recent visit to AMS, I was impressed with not only how quickly the bags came out, but also how the monitor displayed the estimated wait time for bags from each flight.

Excellent news, indeed.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 37):
Go back to the way things were and jack up the ticket price by $25.
Quoting aloges (Reply 38):
it would be more comfortable to check everything but the most essential things in, but sometimes that is just not feasible.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 41):
I know that's not always possible, but if passengers can count on bags hitting the belt quickly (or even on bags hitting the belt in X minutes), I think willingness to check would increase.

OK, so it seems that these are the things that need to be done to solve this problem:

Raise all fares by $25 and drop the first bag fee.
Guarantee shorter (15 minute?) wait times at the carousel.
Enforce carry-on rules.

Am I forgetting anything?


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 43):
Raise all fares by $25 and drop the first bag fee.
Guarantee shorter (15 minute?) wait times at the carousel.
Enforce carry-on rules.

I'd put the 15 minute guarantee at the top. I don't pay for checked bags on most flights and I still avoid it because I don't care for a possible 30-45 minutes (yes, I mean 45 minutes) waiting for a bag after a flight that may have spent less time than that in the air. The nice Priority tag I get from star alliance members does little good if nothing is coming out.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 45, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 43):
I am not judging anyone here - I am simply voicing my opinion which you don't seem to understand.

I understand your opinion perfectly well, it's just that you're talking about this as if it's a huge problem - it isn't.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 45):
I understand your opinion perfectly well, it's just that you're talking about this as if it's a huge problem - it isn't.

Genau.

If anything, it is a minor annoyance that can occasionally hinder things. In example, on an ERJ 145.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 47, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 46):
If anything, it is a minor annoyance that can occasionally hinder things. In example, on an ERJ 145.

Personally, I quite like the little "delivery at aircraft" tags. 



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 48, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 43):
45 minutes???

CLT and LAX Terminal 1 are often that bad. MDW can be bad too, especially later in the day. Above a certain size, I don't think it correlates much (or at all) with size of the airport. Small airports are almost always good.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 49, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 43):
Then lock your luggage.

That still doesn't address the matter, as the TSA agents can cut the locks if it isn't one of the "TSA Approved" locks or if it is one, they have keys to open such locks. Some folks even resort to zip ties to secure their bags.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 43):
Raise all fares by $25 and drop the first bag fee.

Airlines started to add the baggage fees so they wouldn't have to raise fares. Notice how the fees slowly crept up in price, especially for that first bag. Then you have airlines like WN and B6 that still offer two free checked bags. In markets where airlines like DL, UA, AA, and US compete against those airlines on the same routes, they have to match their fares. Look at the fact that Southwest has retained the baggage fee structure at FL during the integration of operations even though Southwest has their whole "bags fly free" campaign. Southwest knows the revenue those fees generate and are probably trying to keep that revenue stream flowing as long as possible, as if they were to introduce it on the Southwest side, folks would riot.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 50, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 43):
Then lock your luggage.

You really can't. You have to use a TSA approved lock on your luggage. When the screener gets your checked luggage and needs to search, there is ZERO guarantee that your items will not be stolen.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 43):
Guarantee shorter (15 minute?) wait times at the carousel.

AS already does this. 20 mins at the carousel guaranteed or get a voucher or a deposit of miles.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 43):
Enforce carry-on rules.

The majority of the airlines don;t seem to have that kind of time at the gates. The gates are usually manned with 2 agents. One mans the podium, one does the boarding.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3703 times:

Quoting aklrno (Reply 44):
I'd put the 15 minute guarantee at the top.

Yes, though I should add that the items in that list are not any particular order. However, I see your point.

Quoting aklrno (Reply 44):
The nice Priority tag I get from star alliance members does little good if nothing is coming out.

But I would assume that it does help somewhat, yes? Every time I fly a Star Alliance carrier (i.e, UA) those priority bags always pop out first.

Quoting aloges (Reply 45):
I understand your opinion perfectly well, it's just that you're talking about this as if it's a huge problem - it isn't.

That's why it's called an opinion.

Quoting aloges (Reply 47):
Personally, I quite like the little "delivery at aircraft" tags.

You mean, for RJs? Yes, those have their advantages. However, I would always prefer to check a carry-on at the podium through to my final destination with all the other checked bags, and just grab it at baggage claim.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 48):
CLT and LAX Terminal 1 are often that bad. MDW can be bad too, especially later in the day. Above a certain size, I don't think it correlates much (or at all) with size of the airport.

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying. I did have a very good experience at LAX TBIT once, though. By the time we had cleared passport control (which was fast enough as it was), the carousel was already running and our 4 bags appeared within minutes. But I get the idea that it can vary from terminal to terminal at LAX, and I hear that Terminal 1 is very old, while the TBIT facilities are quite new.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 48):
Small airports are almost always good.

Yes, true. However, I had plenty of good experiences at big airports such as BOS, DFW, LAX (see above), etc.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 49):
Some folks even resort to zip ties to secure their bags.

That's not a bad idea, actually...

Quoting srbmod (Reply 49):
Notice how the fees slowly crept up in price, especially for that first bag.

I do remember that. In some cases I recall the first bag fee beginning at $15 and not long after it crept up to $25.   

Quoting srbmod (Reply 49):
In markets where airlines like DL, UA, AA, and US compete against those airlines on the same routes, they have to match their fares.

I do find it a bit upsetting that our airline industry is being "dominated" by LCCs.  
Quoting srbmod (Reply 49):
Look at the fact that Southwest has retained the baggage fee structure at FL during the integration of operations even though Southwest has their whole "bags fly free" campaign.

I was not aware of this. Interesting, indeed.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 49):
as if they were to introduce it on the Southwest side, folks would riot.

Oh yes. I want to see what would happen if the open seating went away...   

Thanks for stopping by, srbmod!  
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 50):
You really can't. You have to use a TSA approved lock on your luggage. When the screener gets your checked luggage and needs to search, there is ZERO guarantee that your items will not be stolen.
Quoting srbmod (Reply 49):
That still doesn't address the matter, as the TSA agents can cut the locks if it isn't one of the "TSA Approved" locks or if it is one, they have keys to open such locks.

OK, so I'll have to take that one back. You are both correct there.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 50):
AS already does this. 20 mins at the carousel guaranteed or get a voucher or a deposit of miles.

   I have heard of this.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 50):
The majority of the airlines don;t seem to have that kind of time at the gates.

Sad, but true. They also don't have enough staff at check-in either, most of the time. International terminals are the usual exception, where (I assume) that the agents HAVE to check everyone in manually (no kiosks).

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 50):
The gates are usually manned with 2 agents. One mans the podium, one does the boarding.

... And that really isn't enough. Here at PDX, most if not all UA agents have completely ABANDONED using the large podiums in the gate area. The two agents do everything from the small podium, at the door to the airbridge. They make announcements, assign seats, and check rollaboards all at the small podium. I once asked a gate agent why this is and she said that is in fact due to a limited staff.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 52, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 51):
OK, so I'll have to take that one back.

Be careful when buying a lock. Sometimes the lock will claim to be TSA Approved when it really isnt. If there is a number where the key insert is, the chances are it is an approved lock. The key number is what the TSA Agent needs to unlock it without the lock itself being cut open.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 51):
I once asked a gate agent why this is and she said that is in fact due to a limited staff.

It is not just UA. It is almost every airline. WN mans their gates with two a gate as well.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 53, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 52):
It is not just UA. It is almost every airline. WN mans their gates with two a gate as well.

Actually, less, at least at large stations. WN is often 3 to 2 gates (1 at each gate podium and 1 at the large podium between the gates that serves both). While WN has a lot of problems we discuss on here, they know how to run a pretty lean CSA operation successfully.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 54, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 53):
While WN has a lot of problems we discuss on here, they know how to run a pretty lean CSA operation successfully.

While that may be true, they still can't even enforce their own carry on policy!



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 52):
Be careful when buying a lock. Sometimes the lock will claim to be TSA Approved when it really isnt. If there is a number where the key insert is, the chances are it is an approved lock. The key number is what the TSA Agent needs to unlock it without the lock itself being cut open.

Ah, I see.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 52):
It is not just UA. It is almost every airline.

I understand that, but UA is the only airline I've ever seen seen that does this:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 51):
Here at PDX, most if not all UA agents have completely ABANDONED using the large podiums in the gate area. The two agents do everything from the small podium, at the door to the airbridge. They make announcements, assign seats, and check rollaboards all at the small podium.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 53):
While WN has a lot of problems we discuss on here, they know how to run a pretty lean CSA operation successfully.

Depends on how you look at it. This post below is hard to disagree with:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 54):
While that may be true, they still can't even enforce their own carry on policy!

  


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 56, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 55):
Depends on how you look at it.

Can you prove that more CSAs equals better enforcement?



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