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Thomson Airways 767-300 - Long Haul Product  
User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8339 times:

Having not flown with Thomson on a long haul flight for a few years now, I was curious to know what Thomson's product was like on the 767-300's since the merger with First Choice Airlines...

I know a few years back before the merger, First Choice gave their 763's a major upgrade and bought the standards up to the same level as schedule carriers with a 2-3-2 config in economy, while Thomson continued to operate in a typical 2-4-2 charter config, which has never really been popular.

Many people considered the First Choice Airlines product better than scheduled carriers economy product and received a much acclaim from the travel industry and in the press.

It has been about 4-5 years since both airlines merged and just curious what path Thomson Airways chose to use on their 763's and bring commonality to their product?

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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8252 times:

Mainly the ex FCA 767's used on long haul. Otherwise little has changed

User currently offlineaidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8101 times:

As above.

Althought this summer should see just the ex-FCA 767 aircraft operating the long-haul flights.

Obviously these still have the 2-3-2 (7-abreast) layout throughout. 33'' seat-pitch in economy and 36/7'' seat pitch in premium.

All ex-TOM 767 aircraft retain the 2-4-2 (8-abreast) economy cabin layout.

The only difference you may now see on the ex-FCA 767 aircraft is new navy blue leather seat covers, navy curtains and new carpet. This is being gradually introduced / refitted before the summer season to better match the Thomson Airways interior scheme.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8040 times:

Wow, that is serious consolidation if just the ex-FCA fleet can support all the Long Haul Ops!

When you consider a few years back both airlines had a sizable long haul fleet and would be flying their own separate programmes. I thought the long haul business for tour operators was still quite strong (and where they were making their money) and was the short haul business they were being squeeze with the likes of the Low Cost Carriers.

I knew their would be some cuts in the number of flights operated in the long haul business when two airlines merge, but I thought on the whole you would see more flights operated under a single brand to the popular destinations each week. Than maybe you would see that just by the likes of First Choice of Thomson on their own. (For example, if both airlines were operating 4 weekly flights to Orlando each, before the merger they would maybe operating 6 weekly flights under one brand now. Not literally halving the flights!)

I appreciate the 787's are due to arrive in the next year. But how does the 767 fleet stand at the moment, how many remain in the airline and how many are used for long and short haul ops? Does the airline have any 767's without a premium cabin for purely short haul ops?

What are the plans after the 787s arrive? Do they intend to relegate the 767s to short haul ops, like they did with the 767-200's or will they be retired? If so when is the first scheduled to leave?


User currently offlineaidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):
I appreciate the 787's are due to arrive in the next year. But how does the 767 fleet stand at the moment, how many remain in the airline and how many are used for long and short haul ops? Does the airline have any 767's without a premium cabin for purely short haul ops?

There are currently 10 767 aircraft in the TOM fleet. 6x ex-FCA and 4x ex-TOM.

7 aircraft are planned to be used for long-haul flights this summer. That's 6 of the ex-FCA and 1 of the ex-TOM frames (just got a little more info). This will operate in the 283 seating config with premium. The remaining aircraft will be used on short/medium-haul routes from MAN and LGW in the 328Y config all with seat-back IFE. These aircraft will also cover as standby for long-haul ops should they be required.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):
What are the plans after the 787s arrive? Do they intend to relegate the 767s to short haul ops, like they did with the 767-200's or will they be retired? If so when is the first scheduled to leave?

The first 767 from the current line-up was meant to be leaving the fleet by the end of this year. However, because of the further delays in the 787 arrival it is yet unknown if the leases on these aircraft will be further extended for a short period. The plan is to use the 787 on a variety of short/medium-haul routes when they first arrive. This will mean the 767 will still be required on longhaul for atleast another year after the 787 arrival. They will however gradually be phased out over the next couple of years or so and replaced fully by the 787's. In a current plan for a standardised fleet will mean the 737-800 for all short/medium-haul routes and the 787 for all medium/long-haul routes. Although, we expect to see the 757 fleet (even if just a small fleet) for a little while yet...


User currently offlinedanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7796 times:

A vast majority of long haul flights are operated by ex FCA 767's - 258 config. Something like 64 prem economy seats upfront. There are a few TOM 767's that fly longhaul, these are configured at 2-4-2 with a 286 capacity, much smaller prem economy section, something like 32 seats upfront. I'm guessing these fly from smaller bases.


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