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Any Tips For Nonreving Around The World?  
User currently offlineDallas From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5593 times:

Hey everyone, first post on here and am a new user, so go easy on me. I’m trying to plan an around the world trip later in the year and have never nonreved internationally before. I was planning doing it in 2.5 weeks and was going to make the following destinations so I could hit every continent:

DFW-GIG (Rio de Janeiro, Brazil)
GIG-CPH (Copenhagen, Denmark)
CPH-DXB (Dubai, UAE)
DXB-JNB (Johannesburg, South Africa)
JNB-SYD (Sydney, Australia)
SYD-CHC-SYD (Christchurch, NZ)
SYD-DFW

When typically is the best time of the year to try a trip like this? I’m thinking it’d be hard to find a perfect nonrev downtime with the different seasons and vacation schedules, especially since I’m hitting every continent. Coming up with flights, connections, and backup plans can get complicated as well, so does anyone know of any certain routes to avoid? The Australia part of the trip is what’s worrying me, as I’m trying to incorporate a trip to NZ in the mix and am not sure what routes there would be easy to make. Is the SYD-DFW nonstop on Qantas easy to nonrev, and has anyone nonreved on some of these routes?

I’m able to somewhat check loads for AA, UA, and LH, but didn’t know much about BA, EK, or QF and was hoping for some insight, as those seem to be the primary carriers that I'd be using.

Thanks and I’m looking forward to being part of this community!

-Dallas

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

Quoting Dallas (Thread starter):
I’m able to somewhat check loads for AA, UA, and LH,

Unless you have worked for aforementioned companies and have user names and passwords on IFC, how are you even getting loads like that? I'm jealous! (Unless you know people in those companies and are giving away their usernames and passwords, in which is in violation of the user agreement.....)

Quoting Dallas (Thread starter):
I’m trying to plan an around the world trip later in the year and have never nonreved internationally before.

The question I have is: Why would you want to do that? I mean, that is a LOT of planning and too much of a hassle. IMO, it is pretty hard to do this as a non-rev, you WILL get bumped somewhere and your itinerary will be really messed up. But if this is something you really want to do, and are VERY FLEXIBLE on doing it (with loads of vacation time if you have more than 2 weeks) then go for it. You gotta really, really, really, really, really plan this. It is doable, but very, very time consuming.

Personally, I wouldn't do it as a non-rev. You get zero protections as a non-rev if your flight gets canceled or delayed, etc etc....

Quoting Dallas (Thread starter):
Thanks and I’m looking forward to being part of this community!

I don't mean to go Debbie Downer on you, however, welcome to A.net.

[Edited 2012-04-08 22:05:24]


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User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 896 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Hi Dallas and welcome to A.net!

I'm in HKG right now, and it's actually a part of my RTW trip on nonrevs! What a coincidence!

My advice is, have not only Plan A and B, but C, D and E too. When I was going LIM-NRT, I listed on ALL of these flights:

A: UA LIM-IAH-SFO-NRT
B: UA LIM-IAH-NRT
C: UA LIM-EWR-NRT
D: AA LIM-MIA-DFW-NRT
E: AA LIM-MIA-LAX-NRT
F: DL LIM-ATL-NRT
G: AC LIM-YYZ-NRT
H: AC LIM-YYZ-YVR-NRT

I ended up on Plan G, so if I wouldn't have had so many backups, I would still be in Peru! All other flights were full.

You have to be really flexible to do this stuff, but if it's OK with you to lose day here and there, you can do this!

Cheers from HKG (and soon SIN),
Sveinn



Flights flown: 287 - Airlines: 41 - Airports: 66 - Next flights: KEF-LHR-KEF, RKV-AEY-RKV, KEF-EWR-MCO, SRQ-LGA, JFK-KEF
User currently offlineDallas From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 2):

You have to be really flexible to do this stuff, but if it's OK with you to lose day here and there, you can do this!

I can be really flexible with it, the joys of nonreving. My only question is what do you do about hotels since you have to be so flexible? Do you just get them last minute once you get to the city, or are there any deals with very flexible cancellation policies?


User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3018 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

A friend of mine was once stuck in GRU for 4 days with his gf - she was an F/A, he had to phone his manager and meekly request additional leave as he was "stuck in Brazil". The found a room at an airport hotel that wasn't too expensive. They needed to get GRU-PRG, so were listed on pretty much every flight out of GRU to Europe, but still ended up waiting.

Moral of the story: Plan for extra days at every stop! Good luck  

signol



Flights booked: none :(
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Quoting Dallas (Reply 3):
I can be really flexible with it, the joys of nonreving.

The question is.... "How flexible are you?" Signol in reply 4 has a pretty good point here...and again, this why I really discourage doing such a trip:

Quoting signol (Reply 4):
A friend of mine was once stuck in GRU for 4 days with his gf - she was an F/A, he had to phone his manager and meekly request additional leave as he was "stuck in Brazil".

  

The trip is still doable, just very time consuming. You may need about minimum of 3 weeks of vacation time to do this, a month at the most.



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User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5413 times:

The 'be flexible' advice is really spot on!

I non-revved around the world aged 18 in 1990 and each and every flight was a nail-biter in terms of getting just about the last seat (and I had super-low on-load priority being child of staff, but granted the air transportation world is very different now)

LAX-AKL took 3 attempts - I watched the 2 NZ non-stops depart without me and began to look for a hostel in LA until I got a seat on NZ's milk-run route LAX-HNL-NAN-AKL at the last minute.

AKL-HKG proved more problematic due to my chronic planning - went to the airport expecting to fly AKL-SYD-BKK-HKG but I had neglected to apply for an Australian visa (IIRC at the time you needed a 'confirmed' flight out within 24 hours to transit without a visa, yet on only standby tickets I was turned away at check-in!). Luckily I had contingency tickets for AKL-NRT-HKG which worked, but I then had to blow my entire remaining budget for a hotel in NRT overnight upon arrival.

HKG-LHR was OK - although I didn't make the non-stop and got on the 1-stop service via BOM - where we had a rejected take-off and the aircraft went tech for 18 hours and I consequently missed orientation in my first week of University...

This was all pre-mobile phones, pre-electronic tickets (I had a STACK of paper coupons for contingency routings) pre-widespread internet, etc, etc which just made it all that much harder!

It looks like SRQKEF has the right approach...


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4633 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Just make sure you have back ups on several airlines, flexible days and extra cash/credit should the need for a few extra nights in hotels arises. Take care of those things and the world is your oyster!


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 7):
Just make sure you have back ups on several airlines....

That doesn't always work.... but then again, sometimes it does. It very much depends on the time and season. Back-ups can get very expensive!



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User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 896 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

Quoting Dallas (Reply 3):
I can be really flexible with it, the joys of nonreving. My only question is what do you do about hotels since you have to be so flexible? Do you just get them last minute once you get to the city, or are there any deals with very flexible cancellation policies?

Well, for cities I'm pretty sure I'll get to, I book maybe 2-3 weeks in advance but for SIN for instance, where I am now, I just booked 3 days ago. I just cancel my hotels if possible, otherwise you just have to pay as sour that is.

Cheers from Singapore,
Sveinn



Flights flown: 287 - Airlines: 41 - Airports: 66 - Next flights: KEF-LHR-KEF, RKV-AEY-RKV, KEF-EWR-MCO, SRQ-LGA, JFK-KEF
User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 896 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 8):

I can return my backups and get refunded. Isn't that always possible?

Rgds,
Sveinn



Flights flown: 287 - Airlines: 41 - Airports: 66 - Next flights: KEF-LHR-KEF, RKV-AEY-RKV, KEF-EWR-MCO, SRQ-LGA, JFK-KEF
User currently offlineDallas From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
The question I have is: Why would you want to do that? I mean, that is a LOT of planning and too much of a hassle

Call me young, stupid, and naive, but a trip like this just sounds awesome. I've already been looking at days/routes and can be flexible with it. I'm only 23 and really want to use my travel benefits and would love to have an around the world trip. The only thing that worries me is with airlines like South African Airways that require exact travel dates and flight numbers. For those airlines, would you still roll to the next flight if you didnt make it, or would you need an additional listing/ticket before hand?

I plan on getting many tickets for the different routes and getting a refund after for whatever I don't use. I think to make things simpler, I can eliminate the New Zealand part of the trip, as that adds an extra roundtrip from Sydney and I have no idea how easy that route is. My biggest concerns would be Dubai-Johannesburg and Johannesburg-Sydney.

If anyone would want to join me on this trip, just let me know and I can share some plans/routes/thoughts. I'd love to meet some A.net'ers and this trip would be a good time (especially with skydiving in Dubai).


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 10):
Isn't that always possible?

Oh yeah. There are two downsides to this: Buying the back up ticketing which is pretty expensive to do if you are buying 4-5 back-ups. And the second part is getting the refund on the unused tickets, which takes time...generally 2-3 weeks.

Quoting Dallas (Reply 11):
'm only 23 and really want to use my travel benefits

Question: Are you an airline employee? If so, how long have you been with your company?



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User currently offlineDallas From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
Question: Are you an airline employee? If so, how long have you been with your company?

Yes I am. I've been with my company for 11 months. Had previously been an intern for the summers of '09 and '10 before starting full-time in May '11, so I've had the travel and nonrev itch for awhile. You?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7323 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

I'm over subload travel in general - even though I've never had major issues.
For my European trip later this week I shopped around until I came up with the cheapest options to France and back using focus cities that I can fly easily on subload to, and hub from and pick up cheaper commercial rates to fill in the gaps. I find I end up taking more interesting and elaborate airlines/routings than I would if I was just buying commercial rates from my home port.

I ended up gaining commercial Premium Y seats one way, and Business the other + Premium Y on my subload AKL-HKG/NRT-AKL sectors for no more than a Y fare AKL-CDG return. Now am flying AKL-HKG-IST-TLS//CDG-CAI-NRT-AKL, and coming back a Star Gold....


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5265 times:

Quoting Dallas (Reply 13):
I've been with my company for 11 months.

Therein lies your problem. Rack up the vacation time first as well as your seniority. Going off around the world as a non-rev while a new hire is not exactly a good thing right now.

Like I said, rack up your vacation time first as well as your seniority. You don't want to be a no show on your first year at your company when you need to report. No shows can really kill you pretty quick.

Good luck.



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User currently offlineDallas From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 15):

Therein lies your problem. Rack up the vacation time first as well as your seniority. Going off around the world as a non-rev while a new hire is not exactly a good thing right now.

I've got about 3 weeks of vacation saved up this year that I'd plan to use exclusively on this trip. Should something not look good, I'd be willing to buy a last minute emergency ticket to get home. I'm a HDQ employee/ non-union, and seniority doesn't really mean much with my position (I think).


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4633 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 15):
Going off around the world as a non-rev while a new hire is not exactly a good thing right now.

What makes you say that? It doesn't make THAT much of a difference and seniority makes almost no difference using ZED tickets on other airlines.

On tight domestic runs that have lots of non-rev commuters seniority is more of an issue.


I travelled all over the world with barely over a year seniority. I'm talking dozens of flights on several carriers. I was only bumped twice. Once on SAS LHR-CPH but I got on the next flight some 90 mins later, and in YVR trying to get home to YYC on my own airline. I even made it on a LH flight that was supposedly oversold by 16 seats because of an F/A strike at the time!

I say go for it!



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User currently offlineDallas From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 17):
I travelled all over the world with barely over a year seniority. I'm talking dozens of flights on several carriers. I was only bumped twice

What time of the year did you do this? I think June, September, or November would be best for me. Any recommendation?

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 17):
I say go for it!

That's what I'm talking about! 


User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 896 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

I say the same. Just go for it!

If you go a route in peak season (e.g. JNB-SYD) you could maybe also list JNB-DOH-SYD or JNB-DXB-SYD or JNB-HKG-SYD and on and on and on to be sure to get to SYD. You would maybe get there 5-10 hours later, but you would at least be there!  

Cheers,
Sveinn



Flights flown: 287 - Airlines: 41 - Airports: 66 - Next flights: KEF-LHR-KEF, RKV-AEY-RKV, KEF-EWR-MCO, SRQ-LGA, JFK-KEF
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4633 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

Quoting Dallas (Reply 18):
What time of the year did you do this? I think June, September, or November would be best for me. Any recommendation?

I've done it all times of the year. Even high season summer. In my 7 years of non-reving I'd say September-October seem to have the more open seats.

I always just made sure I was prepared and had back up plans. But I've almost never had to use them.

Remember even if a flight is full there's almost always a no-show factor. Especially on large international flights.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 17):
What makes you say that?

Where are you going to get the vacation time as a new hire, especially while on probation??? Hmmm???



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User currently offlinecofannyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 21):
Where are you going to get the vacation time as a new hire, especially while on probation??? Hmmm???

He already addressed this. He's a non-union headquarters employee (I'm guessing in a salaried job). I've yet to have a job meeting that description that required any seniority to take vacation or had a probation period. Plus, he's stated he has 3 weeks of vacation saved up. The only thing standing in the way is his boss letting take the time all at once.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

Quoting cofannyc (Reply 22):
I've yet to have a job meeting that description that required any seniority to take vacation or had a probation period.

Obviously, you have not worked for an airline. All airline jobs I have had, to bid for vacation time, you use your seniority date to obtain vacation. I doubt his seniority counted while an intern.....

Quoting cofannyc (Reply 22):
Plus, he's stated he has 3 weeks of vacation saved up.

How do you get three weeks of vacation time as a new hire, let alone being with a company for less than 3 years at an airline?!

Quoting cofannyc (Reply 22):
The only thing standing in the way is his boss letting take the time all at once.

Typically, once management awards the vacation time to you, they cannot take it away. At least at my airline, they cannot take vacation time away.



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User currently offlineDallas From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
Obviously, you have not worked for an airline. All airline jobs I have had, to bid for vacation time, you use your seniority date to obtain vacation. I doubt his seniority counted while an intern.....

I'm non-union/ headquarters in the Finance department, so we don't really have to bid, just give proper notice and it cannot be during a quarter/month-end close. My intern time did not count, but the seniority doesn't matter so much in this instance for me.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
How do you get three weeks of vacation time as a new hire, let alone being with a company for less than 3 years at an airline?!

Since I started in the middle of last year, I was able to bring over saved vacation, in addition to what I have this year. I also have earned many comped days through working weekends and on company holidays (for quarter close). In all, I have about 3 weeks saved up, which I have to use by the end of the year. It seems since last year was the only time I was able to carry over vacation, this would be the one time I could go until I am awarded 3 weeks of vacation in a few years.


25 AirframeAS : That is pretty much my point. When you go from intern to regular employee, your intern time does not count. How do you come to THREE weeks of vacatio
26 travelR : Hi Dallas, Welcome to A.net. Pretty good itinerary however heaps to fit in to 2 1/2 weeks. Great to non-rev but need to take a few things into conside
27 pugsley : In regards to the times you have suggested, early june and early november would be my suggestions if you intend on using QF. In Australia, School hol
28 qf002 : If he's in an office job, then I assume he has annual leave provisions as part of his contract. These, along with provisions for working weekends etc
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