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User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 817 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Later this summer my wife and I are travelling FLR-FRA-CLT-DEN. We have a pretty tight 60 minute connection in FRA. The arriving aircraft in FRA typically parks either in the A gates (i.e. gate A40) or in (as noted in the Lufthansa website) Terminal 1A-bus.

First question, where is Terminal 1A? I can't figure out where these gates are located.

Second question, what is the best way to get from the A gates and Terminal 1A to the C gates?

Thanks in advance for your help with these questions.

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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9054 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3529 times:
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Quoting mcg (Thread starter):
First question, where is Terminal 1A? I can't figure out where these gates are located.

Termina 1A are the gates from A3 I think to A42. There are Z gates as well but they are non schengen, 2nd floor IIRC.

Quoting mcg (Thread starter):
Second question, what is the best way to get from the A gates and Terminal 1A to the C gates?

Walk... Long walk...   

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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting mcg (Thread starter):
Later this summer my wife and I are travelling FLR-FRA-CLT-DEN. We have a pretty tight 60 minute connection in FRA. The arriving aircraft in FRA typically parks either in the A gates (i.e. gate A40) or in (as noted in the Lufthansa website) Terminal 1A-bus.

I'm willing to bet that you won't make the connection. Sorry.

You'll have to run to C, exit Schengen and then make your flight. Maybe look into the time for the LH direct 744 to DEN. That might be an option if you miss the connection. Also, there are options through ORD.


User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Danke Mr. Wilco, the map on the FRA website shows a train system of some sort, "Sky Line", is this of no use for our connection? And as we walk, do we walk down the concourse to the unsecured area and then go through security on our way to C? The FRA seems to show a transfer tunnel from A to B, am I correct in assuming that this is not of use to us?

Thanks again.


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9054 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3516 times:
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Quoting LOWS (Reply 2):
Maybe look into the time for the LH direct 744 to DEN.

It's currently back on A346. But for sure a good option.

Quoting mcg (Reply 3):
"Sky Line"

I am in FRA so many times, but I am not 100% sure, but I think the Sky Line is only to get to Terminal 2.

There is a link from A to B, but still quite a walk. I think you can stay in the "safe" area and doesn't have to walk through security again. But wait, it is an US bound flight, here things can be totally different.

Maybe call FRA airport or LH costumer support for some advice.

I personally give me a lot of time to connect through FRA. One hour? I would never ever do that. Frankfurt is a horrible airport to connect through...

wilco737
  



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User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

Thanks again gents. When I bought the ticket I suspected the connection would be tight, but I figured US would have reasonable minimum connecting time built into their ticketing system. LH nonstop to DEN probably won't be an option as our flight to United States is on US. I think the back-up will be US to PHL.

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Quoting mcg (Thread starter):
First question, where is Terminal 1A? I can't figure out where these gates are located.

Right here: it's the looong pier all the way from the western end of the terminal to beyond the Sky Line station, which is the short silver roof on top of the terminal itself (you'll notice the "rails"). There are moving walkways inside the pier, but the general sense of confusion that you tend to get at FRA and the neverending construction will eat up any time they may save you.

Quoting mcg (Reply 3):
"Sky Line", is this of no use for our connection?

You may well be able to save some time. One carriage of the train is for screened passengers, the other for unscreened and the public. After you have arrived, keep your eyes open for signs or ask a staff member where you can board the Sky Line; you'll be boarding at the western terminus as you can see in Google Maps. Leave the train at the next station (there are just three in total) which is for "concourses B, C and railway stations".   From there, you'll need to follow the signs to the C gates.

Quoting mcg (Reply 3):
And as we walk, do we walk down the concourse to the unsecured area and then go through security on our way to C?

You do not need to leave the secure area. make sure you don't end up outside it, that would pretty much guarantee that you'll miss the flight to CLT.

Quoting mcg (Reply 3):
The FRA seems to show a transfer tunnel from A to B, am I correct in assuming that this is not of use to us?

You are.   

Good luck, you will need it!



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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

The Skytrain has 3 stops: Terminal 1A near Gate 20 or so, Checkinarea B, Terminal 2. No stop at C.

If you arrive at a gate higher than A20 or so (i.e. A40) you can win a few minutes. Take the walk to the Skytrain station near A20 (it's quite a long walk if you arrive A40) and then take the lift up to the Skytrain. Take the train for one station only and exit at "B/C" It will save you the walk from A20 to the main lobby, from which you can go to B and C gates.
It will not save you much though. If you arrive at A15 or something, it's easier to just walk to the main lobby.

Once you are in the main lobby (no matter if by foot or by Skytrain), walk to the C-Gates. You will need to pass a Security Check and Schengen passport control for exit of Schengen area.

Aparently LH as also instaured this golf cart type things that drive up and down the A concourse. This could be a considerable time saving if you get one. Aparently everyone is free to use it, but I'm not sure how to order them, and if they have some kind of schedule or something. honestly, I just read about this service, but never really saw them running. Could be a try though. However, if you don't get one right away, don't waste time.

Your connection is doable if your flight is not late. If you're lucky it's early. And if you get a low A gate number you will be fine, too. That would be ideal. If you get a bus gate you will get bussed to the main lobby. This will take some time, however you will be closer to C. So this could be a good deal, too. The worst case would be an arrival at a finger gate at a gate higher than A40....


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 4):
I personally give me a lot of time to connect through FRA. One hour? I would never ever do that. Frankfurt is a horrible airport to connect through...

YUP! I hate it. But ex SZG I don't have much of a choice with OS's prices. I was happy to finally find a place with decent sandwiches there a few months ago.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 4):
I am in FRA so many times, but I am not 100% sure, but I think the Sky Line is only to get to Terminal 2.

Unfortunately only for T2. Which means it won't be of use to LH/Star customers until the new Terminal is built and Star is in control of D/E.

OP, just follow the signs for connecting flights. FRA may be an awful, soul sucking place, but it's got thoughtful signs.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting reifel (Reply 7):
You will need to pass a Security Check

Interesting, is that an extra check for flights to the US? I've only ever flown to the US from the Z gates, which serve nothing but US flights IIRC - so I wouldn't have experienced that sort of secondary check.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 8):
Unfortunately only for T2.

Nope, it also takes you to the A Gates - which is a good thing to know because there's a security checkpoint at that terminus where lines are completely unknown.  Wink

[Edited 2012-04-17 12:02:12]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

Danke everybody. It seems that the gist of the proccess is proceed down the A concourse to the main lobby, do US security and walk to the C gates. The Sky Line is useful if our inbound flight arrives at a gate "outbound" (for lack of a better word) from the Sky Line station. Is there a less busy security checkpoint near the B/C Sky Line station?

Thanks again.


User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 6):
You do not need to leave the secure area. make sure you don't end up outside it, that would pretty much guarantee that you'll miss the flight to CLT.

I think we will need to be screened as we are flying to the United States. I'm sure screening in FLR is not to TSA 'standard'.


User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 9):
Interesting, is that an extra check for flights to the US? I've only ever flown to the US from the Z gates, which serve nothing but US flights IIRC - so I wouldn't have experienced that sort of secondary check.

Not specifically for US flights, but IIRC when connecting from A to C one needs to go "landside" in the main lobby and therefore will be mixed to local departing passengers which all pass security at the beginning of the "C pier". Furthermore as far as I remember there are secondary check with higher standards for US flights. I remember flying DL out of FRA Terminal 2. While we had the regular security check at the common check when going airside, there was a secondary check at the gate. This was 2 years ago, maybe things changed...


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

Quoting mcg (Reply 10):
It seems that the gist of the proccess is proceed down the A concourse to the main lobby, do US security and walk to the C gates. The Sky Line is useful if our inbound flight arrives at a gate "outbound" (for lack of a better word) from the Sky Line station.

I'm not familiar with a possible extra security check, but you got the rest exactly right.    Just one other thing: it is possible to end up behind the security checkpoint by the A gate Sky Line station if you take the wrong elevator from the gate area. Just go back down in that case... no, I've never done that! Why do you ask?   

Quoting reifel (Reply 12):
Not specifically for US flights, but IIRC when connecting from A to C one needs to go "landside" in the main lobby and therefore will be mixed to local departing passengers which all pass security at the beginning of the "C pier".

Oh, I see... I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, it might also happen every now and then because of construction.

Quoting reifel (Reply 12):
While we had the regular security check at the common check when going airside, there was a secondary check at the gate.

I don't think there's much rhyme or reason to that - earlier this year at MUC, I noticed an extra checkpoint already inside the secure area for flights to the US. Little me going FMO-MUC-LAX was simply waved through.

Quoting reifel (Reply 12):
This was 2 years ago, maybe things changed...

At FRA? Never!  Wink

[Edited 2012-04-17 12:30:01]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

For what it is worth, at ZRH they have all flights to the United States segregated into a group of gates with their own security check. One of the screeners indicated to me that this was to be sure to screen to United States TSA standard. As I was connecting I don't know if passengers originating In ZRH went through routine Swiss security and then through the United States security, or if they simply went through the US security. I'd guess they did both screenings.

User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 13):
I don't think there's much rhyme or reason to that - earlier this year at MUC, I noticed an extra checkpoint already inside the secure area for flights to the US. Little me going FMO-MUC-LAX was simply waved through.

Same for me last year at MUC to IAD.

Quoting mcg (Reply 14):
United States TSA standard.

I don't understand, you have to be scanned again when you get to the US!


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting mcg (Reply 14):
For what it is worth, at ZRH they have all flights to the United States segregated into a group of gates with their own security check.

That probably depends on the airline and hence terminal that you fly (from). My LX flight to BOS earier this year left from the same area as EK and some other non-Schengen flights. I was connecting and not checked a second time at ZRH, IIRC.



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User currently offlinedaviation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

I'm sorry to say that I had bad experiences transferring at FRA in 2010. From EWR-FRA, we docked in the A terminal and then it was a LONG walk through endless corridors to the C terminal.

The return was actually much worse. Our flight landed late at FRA due to traffic, but then we docked on the tarmac, down the long stairway, bus to the C terminal. Then the long walk back to A, but somehow we wound up outside the secure area, so we had to go through security again. Truly, it took about two hours. When we finally made our way back to A, we discovered that there are very few toilets in the huge terminal!

Also, nothing in the airport gave any flavor of Germany. I heard that MUC has beer gardens which at least give some feeling of being in Germany.


User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 15):
Quoting mcg (Reply 14):
United States TSA standard.

I don't understand, you have to be scanned again when you get to the US!

In ZRH I was lead to belive that security screening for passengers to the US is different than screening for passengers to other parts of the world. They had a segregated set of gates for departures to the US so that the different (better?, I don't know) screening standards could be applied.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3425 times:

Quoting daviation (Reply 17):
I'm sorry to say that I had bad experiences transferring at FRA in 2010.

Don't be sorry, it's perfectly normal. FRA is essentially my home airport, for which I thank my lucky star because otherwise I would probably have to make connections every now and then. I am somewhat fond of the place, but that's mostly because I'm so familiar with it that it seldom presents a challenge.

Quoting daviation (Reply 17):
Also, nothing in the airport gave any flavor of Germany. I heard that MUC has beer gardens which at least give some feeling of being in Germany.

I agree to an extent. Germany isn't all beer gardens and sausage for breakfast, but at FRA, there is indeed little to remind you of your location once you're past check-in... well, apart from the stuff that would be localised anywhere.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinemcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

Thanks everyone for your info about FRA. I'm hoping for an on-time flight, convient gate and short securtiy lines!  

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