AirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 750 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3150 times:
Is this airport really that difficult to navigate or is it inexperience? In your opinion, what makes CDG so challenging. In my opinion, I've never had issues. The signs are clearly marked. The departure times are clearly displayed. The directions are clearly mapped out. I'd like to know what are your concerns to making the CDG hub less favorable.
Side note: I've changed planes every year since 1992 at CDG (without issues), so I'd like to understand why CDG is so unfavorable to some of the members on this forum.
Your answers cannot include the additional security checkpoints after passport control. I want to know WHY or WHAT exactly deters you from choosing CDG as a transit point.
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
AF is selling too short connection times even if landside transfers are involved.
For me, connecting at CDG includes transferring from/to T2G which is located way east of the main terminal complex of T2A-F adding substancial required time.
If one keeps these constraints in mind and allows ample time for transfers, connecting at CDG is in a similar league as other major hubs in Europe; each of them has its downsides.
Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
dc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3130 times:
1. Very rude staff. CDG takes the cake for that IME. It's not necessarily difficult (though, more difficult than most places, due to the damned buses) but it's unpleasant to connect there, and, if something goes wrong, you're screwed.
2. You can wait for an hour for the bus (once every 20 minutes... 100 people ahead of you... do the math) and then the driver can then take a lunch break in the middle of your journey. Indian trains are empty compared to those buses...
3. Considering I've transferred in CDG pretty much every year since 2000, I've used 2B when AF still operated there. I'd rather get whipped than use it again. It was the dirtiest and smelliest terminal I've ever seen/smelled. Pretty sure I've seen cleaner pigsties.
4. CDG was (seemingly) built for O/D, not connecting traffic--horrible design, long distances between terminals with very poor connection opportunities (seriously, can you now get to 2D by bus? you couldn't before!). Try a 2F-2A connection by foot... Luckily, those days are gone.
5. Before 2E (re)opened after the collapse (btw... how the hell do you have a major terminal collapse, did you hire a kindergarten to design it?), AF had the majority of its flights away from the concourses (CDG had on the order of 36 jetways before 2E), adding at least 30 minutes to your transit time. Then you had to take another bus to your other concourse, where you then took yet another bus to your departing flight. Dunno about you, but if I want to go somewhere by air I don't go to a bus station.
6. NO PICTURES! Like taking pics when boarding by bus? Too bad!
7. ADP cannot seem to work the boarding bridges consistently... Try unloading a 500-seater through one bridge next time
And yes, it's gotten a lot better in the past 10 years.
Climbing Everest is difficult, but not necessarily unpleasant, if you're into mountaineering.
Transits in CDG are very unpleasant, but not necessarily difficult... if you're OK with security idiots screaming at you, AF ground agents who don't give a shit about your missed flight, racist personnel or a strike every other month... Well, if you're OK with that, CDG is a dream come true!
Just like the jobs Mike Rowe does for the Discovery Channel... some are difficult, some aren't, but all are unpleasant. That's CDG for you. I'm pretty sure it lowers life expectancy through heart issues.
reifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3073 times:
CDG is by far not the nicest airport to connect, but things are getting better. However due to the layout of the aiport, it will never be able to offer efficencies like i.e. MUC or other easy to navigate through airport.
Quoting HT (Reply 1): For me, connecting at CDG includes transferring from/to T2G which is located way east of the main terminal complex of T2A-F adding substancial required time.
Especially this has gotten better, as a airside bus was implemented running directly between 2G and 2E and therefore offering quite easy connections between these two terminals. in the past you had to go landside and take a landside bus which drove half around the airport and took ages... With the new 2E Satellite opened, this satellite will actually be very close to 2G and reached within minutes with the airside bus.
With AF consolidating in 2G (Schengen Regional), 2F (Schengen mainline), 2E (Non Schengen) and it's second satellite, everything will be much closer together, state of the art design (no 2B or 2D anymore!), that said it will never be that easy as in MUC, as said before.
TYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3015 times:
I actually find CDG pretty civilized when compared to large European hubs such as LHR or FRA, but it is my home airport so I never have had to transfer through CDG in quite some time.
I certainly do not find personnel working there to be rude or racist. Actually I find them very pleasant, whether it is at security, in the shops or general information counters.
AF personnel are equally fine for me... I stopped counting the times AF has re-opened a flight when I missed the cut-off time (aroudn 45 mins before). Try getting BA, DL or LH to do that... I have and they never do!!!
Improvements are in store for CDG this summer which should facilitate the transfer situation and overall experience. 2B will be closed down and completely renovated.