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Exciting Day Trips Out Of Moscow?  
User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 4628 times:

Hello experts!

I know some of the info I'm looking for is on the other thread about flying rare aircraft, some of the info is months old and I'm looking for some fresh input and your opinions.

I'll be in Moscow between May 17 and May 19 and I'm looking for some interesting day trips I could do during these days.
I've already seen the news about UTAir flying their AN24 into Tambov, I'm probably doing this, especially since I can fly back 5 hours later and need not worry about the short turn around time. I've already flown with the exact same AN24 model in Cuba, but you can never get enough of those!

Are there any other options on interesting (Russian) equipment where I can safely return on the same day without getting stuck in some politically questionable territory? All the large booking engines will only find the major carriers with their western equipment.

Thanks for any suggestions!
Soren   


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User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

I'm going in September and have booked the following:

DME-GDZ - Alrosa Tu-154, 12:15 - 14:00
GDZ-VKO - Gazpromavia Yak-42, 16:50 - 19:20

Buying two one-way tickets is about 170 euros, not so bad. Unfortunately it looks like they don't operate in May so I don't know what month they begin  Sad

As for May, how about DME-RTW-DME on Saratov (Yak 42), you can take a day-trip return for about 130 euros, very good value. Also you can fly DME-IJK-DME on Izhavia (Yak 42 again) for about 180 euros return, the flight is about 300 km further so you'd have a longer flight and the turnaround is longer too.

[Edited 2012-04-22 17:30:24]

User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

PS: You can book domestic flights with www.agent.ru

If the airline has its own website (e.g. UTAir or Aeroflot) then don't book on www.agent.ru as you'll pay more in commission, but for the rarer airlines (e.g. Alrosa, Gazpromavia) then www.agent.ru is the best option.

Oh, and that website only accepts your name in Cyrillic, so be sure to get your visa first!  Smile

[Edited 2012-04-23 03:19:52]

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Thanks Hywel for your excellent input! I will look into these two.
Also I dug up a previous thread about Aeroflot's SuperJet 100 routes. Unfortunately no SSJ flies to the destinations you mentioned above, otherwise I could have combined the two.

It is amazing how little direct traffic between towns there is in Russia. Everything seems to go through Moscow or LED.

Soren   



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User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

You could combine a SSJ flight with another airline, albeit on a B737 or A320. But it could be a new airline at least. I can't remember where Aeroflot fly the SSJ to, but there's bound to be some cities with frequent service from other airlines like RusLine, S7 Airlines or UTAir.

[Edited 2012-04-23 11:29:22]

User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

I've got another one for you, on May 18th:

VKO-AER - Kuban Airlines 12:20 - 15:10, Yakolev 42, 96 euros (book on www.agent.ru)
AER-SVO - Vladivostok Airlines 19:55 - 22:15 Tupolev 204, 99 euros (book on www.aeroflot.com)

Enjoy  

[Edited 2012-04-23 11:27:52]

User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

And on May 19th:

VKO-MCX - Yakutia 10:20 - 13:20, Tupolev 154, 154 euros (book on www.agent.ru)
MCX-VKO - UTair 15:50 - 18:20, Boeing 737-500, 151 euros (book on www.utair.ru)

A friend of mine did this last month, and contrary to popular belief, you don't need a special permit to enter Dagestan. A standard tourist visa will suffice. However, my friend was *forced* to buy a bottle of vodka for an airport policeman when confronted there. The airport security is very strict. Your government will probably advise you don't enter Dagestan by the way, but visiting the airport and flying straight back is ok in my opinion.

You may want to think twice about this one though, because of the risk of being stranded in Dagestan if the return flight is cancelled. Having said that, UTAir is very reliable and looking up flight stats, they've never cancelled a flight from MCX.

Also, you could book the return flight on Yakutia, on the same Tu-154. But the turnaround time is only 90 mins and with the strict airport security, this may be a problem. Returning on UTAir 2,5 hours later gives you an extra hour (assuming the inbound flight is on time!)

PS: I would recommend taking Yakutia (Tupolev 154) as the OUTBOUND from Moscow, rather than flying to MCX with another airline and returning with Yakutia. Yakutia is far more likely to be delayed/cancelled at short notice, so if the outbound from Moscow is delayed by a long time, you can simply walk away and not fly. But if you're in MCX waiting for the return flight and it's cancelled, then you're really stuck!

[Edited 2012-04-23 11:40:09]

User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Any info on how to get to Monino? There should be some nice stuff there! How would one get out there?


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User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 7):
Any info on how to get to Monino? There should be some nice stuff there! How would one get out there?

It's pretty confusing, but follow this guide exactly and you'll have no problems:

http://dictatorshipoftheair.com/2007...n-air-force-museum-at-monino-pt-1/


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting Hywel (Reply 5):
I've got another one for you, on May 18th:

VKO-AER - Kuban Airlines 12:20 - 15:10, Yakolev 42, 96 euros (book on www.agent.ru)
AER-SVO - Vladivostok Airlines 19:55 - 22:15 Tupolev 204, 99 euros (book on www.aeroflot.com)

Enjoy

This is EXCELLENT! I've flown on the YAK 42 before but the TU 204 would be nice, and it's a cheap day trip! I'll totally do this, plus a SSJ day trip, and a museum visit to Monino on the 3rd day. Thank you so much!

Now all I have to do is find an AN 148. Rossiya seems to fly them.

Soren   

[Edited 2012-04-23 14:03:57]


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User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 4467 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 9):
Now all I have to do is find an AN 148. Rossiya seems to fly them.

Yes, they're used on the DME-LED route, I've got one booked myself  

You want FV142, departing DME at 14:20. Or otherwise, fly up to LED first with another carrier and fly back with Rossiya on FV151 at 15:55

Those are the only flights per day on the A148, the others are all A319, A320 or B735.

Forgot to say, you can book the Kuban Yak-42 flight on their website and save a bit of money compared to agent.ru: http://www.kuban.aero

It's 77 euros instead of 99 euros that way - the website is only in Russian though. You want МОСКВА (ВНУКОВО) — СОЧИ (АДЛЕР).

[Edited 2012-04-23 14:44:24]

User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Why not combine the Rossiya An-148 with an Aeroflot SSJ? Aeroflot fly them to LED quite often, so try to find a combination.

My flights on the Tu-154 and Yk-42 are confirmed now, I had the same problem as Tom, www.agent.ru blocks foreign credit cards by default. A quick email to them and they unlocked my card, so I've paid for my flights and got the itinerary receipts. Can't wait!


User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Forget what I said about Aeroflot flying the Superjet to LED, it now appears they've all been subbed for A320 series in May.

Here's a good one though to catch the LET-410 on the 17th May:

SVO-GOJ, 09:50 - 11:00, Aeroflot, Sukhoi Superjet 100 - 75 euros
GOJ-KZN, 16:00 - 17:30, UTAir, LET-410 - 100 euros
KZN-DME - 19:50 - 21:20, Tartarstan Airlines, B735 - 91 euros

Also for the last leg, there's KZN-DME, 21:50 - 23:35, S7 Airlines, A320 - 110 euros (if you wanted to allow more time for delays).

[Edited 2012-04-24 05:34:02]

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting Hywel (Reply 12):
Here's a good one though to catch the LET-410 on the 17th May:

SVO-GOJ, 09:50 - 11:00, Aeroflot, Sukhoi Superjet 100 - 75 euros
GOJ-KZN, 16:00 - 17:30, UTAir, LET-410 - 100 euros
KZN-DME - 19:50 - 21:20, Tartarstan Airlines, B735 - 91 euros

Wow, this is an excellent one too! The Let wasn't that high on my list as I thought I could catch it on Manx 2 some day, but I might as well do it here! Now I have to make a tough decision... I can't possibly do all those day trips in the 3 days I have. But these triangles are excellent!

TU 154, SSJ, An148 and LET 410 would all be new for my log, so these are high priority for me.

Any chence to build 3 of these into a triangle or catch all 4 in 2 days?

YAK42 and An24 are nice too but only as filler, as I've already logged them.

Soren   



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User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4340 times:

I've looked extensively to find you a Tu-154 flight, but apart from the previously mentioned flight to Dagestan, there's nothing on your dates.

You could fly the Tu-134 VKO-SCW-VKO, but it involves staying one night in SCW as you arrive late at night and leave early the next morning, and it's quite expensive at 210 euros return. You could also take the morning flight back to St Petersburg instead (SCW-LED) and then fly LED-DME on the An-148 with Rossiya the next day. You'd find it pretty hard to book a hotel in Syktyvkar for the night though, and it would surely be expensive. Those flights are with UTAir again by the way.

I'd recommend the following for you:

May 17th:
SVO-GOJ, 09:50 - 11:00, Aeroflot, Sukhoi Superjet 100
GOJ-KZN, 16:00 - 17:30, UTAir, LET-410
KZN-DME, 19:50 - 21:20, Tartarstan Airlines, B735

May 18th:
VKO-AER - Kuban Airlines 12:20 - 15:10, Yakolev 42
AER-SVO - Vladivostok Airlines 19:55 - 22:15 Tupolev 204

May 19th:
Take the train from Moscow to St Petersburg in the early morning (it's a very nice journey and takes 4 hours)
Fly back LED-DME on Rossiya, Antonov 148, departing at 15:55

That should be 4 new airlines and 4 new aircraft types for you, plus a nice train journey  Smile

[Edited 2012-04-24 14:08:40]

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 4331 times:

Thank you so much Hywel, I appreciate the work you've been putting into this, you're such a great help with this matter!

The St Petersburg trip is a winner, as I love trains and I'm very interested in riding the new German built SAPSAN high speed train, and on the way back I'll get the plane that I like most of the 4, the AN148. So I'll definitely go ahead and book that one!

About the other two, I think I'll go with only one of them as I'd like one day in Moscow for Monino. I'll have to decide now, but probably I'll have years and decades to catch an SSJ, while the TU204 who knows when I'll get the chance for one of those again.
Any other routes for the 204? Especially morning or early morning out of Moscow?

Cheers!
Soren   



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User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 15):
Any other routes for the 204? Especially morning or early morning out of Moscow?

Afraid not. The Tu-204 is mainly used on long-haul flights to the far eastern side of Russia, costing about 400 euros return and a flight time of 5 hours each way. Vladivostok are currently doing some short flights to Sochi (AER) on behalf on Aeroflot though, hence the opportunity suggested.

It does mean getting back into SVO at 22:15, but you won't have immigration on a domestic flight so can walk straight out. And the last AeroExpress train into the city is 00:30, so plenty of time for delays.

All the other flights to Sochi are boring Airbus and Boeings, but luckily there's the Yak-42 flight with Kuban Airlines that I suggested. If you preferred though, you could try a different airline, there's:

S7 Airlines (Boeing 737-400)
UTAir (Boeing 737-800)
Transaero (Boeing 737-800)
VIM Airlines (Boeing 757-200) - that could be cool - see: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3309/3228604208_270f709210.jpg

 Smile

As for the train, there's a departure from Moscow at 07:00, arriving in St. P at 10:55. If you take a later train there'll be no time to catch the flight back. A taxi from the city to LED airport can take up to an hour.

Do you know how to book the ticket? I'd recommend booking it before you go to get a reserved seat.

[Edited 2012-04-24 15:38:36]

User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

If you relly like to include a TU5 there's an expensive Option on 19May:

Alrosa
6R505 OVB1335 LED1440 for RUB 6900

In order to catch it, you'd have to take SU1464 SVO0100 OVB0750 after the proposed arrival from AER on the T20. Didn't check the fare for that one.

Then you could still catch the A81 from LED back to Moscow... a bit tight but if all goes on-time should be fine.

Happy travels - looking forward to a TR.
LXM83


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 17):
looking forward to a TR.

Me too.   I don't know how well you navigate in Russian/Cyrillic, but I rather like this site for flight searches in Russia:
http://ast-agent.ru/
I haven't purchased through them, but I like the fact that it clearly displays the equipment type for each flight. Agent.ru doesn't do that. I have no idea if one or the other is more complete as far as showing flights from various carriers. I only found this site because I was directed there for ticket purchases from the Yamal Airlines website (www.yamal.aero).



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User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2186 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting Hywel (Reply 11):
I had the same problem as Tom, www.agent.ru blocks foreign credit cards by default. A quick email to them and they unlocked my card, so I've paid for my flights and got the itinerary receipts. Can't wait!

Hywel, I am so sorry about the late reply to your email (which I was actually just in the process of replying to!) but glad you figured it out in the end.

Reading all this makes me want to go back to Russia to catch a few new bits of equipment. I wish I had someone like you to just tell me what to book 

Soren, The only bit of bad news I would give is to keep an eye on equipment changes. We booked several times only to have to cancel because aircraft had been changed to boring western crap. Fortunately we managed to pull something together (the night before) and it all worked out perfectly.

Good luck and enjoy, I'm envious of you!



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User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 19):
Hywel, I am so sorry about the late reply to your email (which I was actually just in the process of replying to!) but glad you figured it out in the end.

No problem - don't worry! I tried the "request phonecall" feature as you did, but they didn't phone me after 48 hours, so I emailed them instead and they replied within 2 minutes unblocking my card!

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 19):
Reading all this makes me want to go back to Russia to catch a few new bits of equipment. I wish I had someone like you to just tell me what to book

I've got quite a good itinerary lined up although it wasn't cheap. Very small chance of substitutions as I've picked airlines that only operate Russian aircraft (with the exception of Rossiya, but if they sub my An-148 in advance I might email them and ask to be rebooked on a different flight up to LED).

LHR-FRA Lufthansa A319
FRA-VKO Lufthansa A320
DME-GDZ Alrosa Tu154
GDZ-VKO Gazpromavia Yak42
One day sightseeing in Moscow
VKO-AER Kuban Airlines Yak42
AER-SVO Vladivostok Airlines Tu204
VKO-TBV UTAir Express An-24
TBV-VKO UTAir Express An-24
DME-LED Rossiya An148
Two days sightseeing in St Petersburg
LED-CPH SAS A319
CPH-LHR SAS A321

Can't wait!

PS: Which airline did you fly the Tu154 with? Was it also Alrosa? Their website says the following (translated via Google):

Aircrafts Tu-134B, Tu-154 now equipped with a view to ensuring the safety system TCAS - warning about the convergence with other aircraft and allowing them to avoid a collision in the air, in case of depressurization of the passenger cabin oxygen system is installed, automatically activated when needed.

I'm glad they reiterate that their planes have TCAS and oxygen masks - otherwise I might not have realised it!

And Soren, have you booked any of your flights yet?

[Edited 2012-04-30 13:46:52]

User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2186 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4025 times:

Quoting Hywel (Reply 20):
PS: Which airline did you fly the Tu154 with? Was it also Alrosa? Their website says the following (translated via Google):

I did indeed fly with Alrosa. If you haven't already, may I suggest you read my trip report  Russian Dream Pt 2: Tu154 From The Flight Deck! (by TupolevTu154 Jan 2 2012 in Trip Reports)

I don't want to sound massively big headed or anything but it'll give you a great insight into what you can expect from Alrosa. I tried to put as much detail into that report as I could!

Enjoy!



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User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4020 times:

Thanks for the link - I'd read it many times before (and it gave me inspiration), but I couldn't find it ANYWHERE with the search function - a few days ago I spent ages looking for it again!

I'll definitely try and visit the flight deck - and I'll be on a daytime flight too so can get better photos!

Cheers  Smile

[Edited 2012-04-30 14:55:35]

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Quoting Hywel (Reply 20):
And Soren, have you booked any of your flights yet?

Yes I have, thanks to your excellent info! Actually I want to spend some time in Moscow since it's my first time there, and I want to have a full day in Monino, so I decided to do only one day trip. So I figured I can still do the SSJ and 148 in the future, plenty of years for that, but I've always been intrigued by the TU204 so I booked the late evening AER-SVO flight on Aeroflot operated by Vladivostok. Great fare at 100 EUR all included!

So now I have to make up my mind about the inbound. The Kuban Y42 flight would be nice, but only gives me little time in Sochi plus I've been on the 42 before. And I'd really love to spend some time in the city as I heard it is a very nice place. So I might end up booking S7 operated by GLOBUS on the 734, not too bad either, certainly beats an A319.

I've also thought about flying into one of the neighboring cities Krasnodar or Gelendzhik, but it seems to be very complicated and time consuming to travel overland between the cities. Any ideas? What would you do?

Soren   



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User currently offlineHywel From Malaysia, joined Apr 2008, 814 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 23):
So now I have to make up my mind about the inbound. The Kuban Y42 flight would be nice, but only gives me little time in Sochi plus I've been on the 42 before. And I'd really love to spend some time in the city as I heard it is a very nice place. So I might end up booking S7 operated by GLOBUS on the 734, not too bad either, certainly beats an A319.

That sounds good, the S7 flight arrives at 11:45 so you'd have several hours in the city. The new AeroExpress train link has been built from Sochi Airport into the city (same franchise as in Moscow), but the timetable is awful. Only 4 trains per day in each direction. The first train into the city after you arrive is at 13:30 and then you'd have to return immediately as the next departure gets to the airport at 19:25, only 30 minutes before your return flight.

See: http://www.aeroexpress.ru/en/sochi.htm

So because of this, you've either got taxis or buses as an option. Good luck! I've seen people report the taxis being up to $70 one-way if you're ripped off. The local buses are much cheaper, but they'd probably be hard to use as no-one speaks English there.

The 3 bus routes from the airport are:

51 - from the airport to Adler (central market)
105, 124 - from the airport to Sochi central railroad station
135 - from the airport to Krasnaya Polyana

Apparently there's a 105K bus too which goes directly to/from the airport, but I can't get any information on it. I don't know anything about schedules/prices either. I guess you'll have to find the sign for "buses" in Russian after arriving at the airport, and look for one of those 3 buses. Allow plenty of time to get back too!

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 23):
I want to have a full day in Monino

Now for Monino. You're supposed to get prior permission to visit as a foreigner, but the gate staff don't care. Just show your passport and be prepared to fill in a few forms. You pay extra for a photography permit too. The aircraft sadly haven't been looked after and many are rotting away, but it's still fascinating.

You can take the train to Monino station (as explained on the link I gave you previously). From there it's a short walk. Look at the following Google Map where someone has marked the approximate walking route in green. Look at the satellite view too to get an overview:

http://tinyurl.com/bwvbsj2

Ignore the instructions on that map to take the "minibus 362" from Moscow - it's dangerous. Marshrutka buses go much faster than buses and they're operated by reckless drivers (often non-Russian immigrants) and are dangerous. The train takes a bit longer but you won't die from a high-speed road accident! The red line on the map shows the bus route by the way, so ignore that. Just look at the green walking route.

"The walk takes a good 20-30 minutes. When you enter the main gate of the "Military Town" (ignore the first checkpoint if traveling on foot) keep walking to the next checkpoint and fence. Turn left and follow the fence until you end up on the same road you were on but past the closed-off area. Walk for another 5 minutes until you see a sign with airplanes on it. Turn right and keep walking until you see the airplanes behind another fence. You have to buy your tickets in a little house on the left (look for "KACCA"). You can then enter the field with your ticket."

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 23):
I've also thought about flying into one of the neighboring cities Krasnodar or Gelendzhik, but it seems to be very complicated and time consuming to travel overland between the cities. Any ideas? What would you do?

Day trips to Krasnodar and Gelendzhik are possible if you fly both ways, but it's too far to travel overland. The train from Moscow to Krasnodar takes 20 hours, unbelievable.


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