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Former FUK CTS NGO KIX Long Haul Flights

airlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Hello everyone.

I am interested in the schedules of the former long haul services operated from non Tokyo Japanese airports, especially :

Nagoya Komaki
Osaka Itami then Osaka Kansai
Fukuoka
Sapporo Chitose

I already know of the following ones :

Aeroflot : St Petersburg and Moscow to Osaka Kansai ( I have the schedules for these ones)
Air Canada : Vancouver - Nagoya (Komaki then Centrair) and Vancouver Osaka Kansai ( I have the schedules for these ones)
American Airlines : Chicago O'Hare to Nagoya Centrair ( I have the schedules for this one)
British Airways : Nagoya Komaki ( I have the schedules for this one) and Osaka Kansai ( I have the schedules too).
Emirates : Nagoya Centrair ( I have the schedules for this one)
KLM : Amsterdam - Sapporo New Chitose - Nagoya Komaki (flown in 2001 among others, I have the schedules for this one )
Varig - Los Angeles - Nagoya (flown till 2003 ?) ( I have the schedules for this one)
Delta Airlines - Portland to Fukuoka, Nagoya and Osaka. (I have the schedules for these ones) - Los Angeles to Nagoya Centrair ( I have the schedules for this one)
Northwest Airlines : New York JFK - Osaka Kansai ( I have the schedules for this one) Minneapolis St Paul - Osaka Kansai ( I have the schedules too) Los Angeles to Osaka Kansai (I have the schedules too)
Swiss : Zurich - Osaka Kansai ( I have the schedules for this one)

Air France - Nagoya (I don't have the schedule for this one so if someone has it can you let me know please)

If you know of any other long haul flights to Europe, the Americas, Australia / New Zeland or the Middle East from non Tokyo Japanese airports please let me know.

Overall I think these airports have lost a huge number of long haul links in the last 15 years. Quite sad ...

Thanks in advance

Airlittoralguy

[Edited 2012-05-09 22:49:11]

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18 replies: All unread, jump to last

LHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

IIRC BA also served Fukuoka for a short time: unfortunately my 1994-1999 timetables are buried or I could look it up quickly...

Next up: LAX-LHR NZ002 Y SkyCouch! LHR-LAX NZ001 Y

OH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1428 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

United Airlines flew San Francisco - Nagoya Centrair between March 26, 2005 and October 25, 2008. The schedule was altered at some point (I don't recall when) to where the aircraft did a short turnaround in NGO, but initially it stayed overnight.

The initial schedule was as follows:
UA831 SFO 1155 NGO 1640+1
UA830 NGO 1555 SFO 0825

[Edited 2012-05-09 22:51:54]

Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.

ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5015 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

NZ served NGO from 1994 to 2006 with 763s initially AKL-NAN-NGO then AKL-NGO non stop.

NZ also served FUK from 1995/98 with 763s twice weekly AKL-FUK non stop then AKL-NGO-FUK for the last few months.

QF served NGO from SYD and CNS from what I recall for many years mainly with 747 classics.

nickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

NW also flew KIX-SYD as a continuation of the JFK flight. I also seem to remember CO flying NGO-HNL.

AntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Also SR used to serve KIX. I thought the route has been abandoned with SR, not with LX?

Good day to you sir! Please turn left, your seat is in the first row.

carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2769 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Thinking off hand, the following come up.

NH: KIX-FRA (742); KIX-LHR (742)
JL: KIX-LHR (744/772); KIX-CDG (744); KIX-FRA (M11); KIX-ORD (744); KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX (743); NGO-CDG (772); NGO-LHR (M11); NGO-LAX (M11)
AA: DFW-KIX (M11/772)
UA: KIX-ORD (744/777); KIX-LAX (742/744); KIX-HNL (772)
SK: KIX-CPH (763) - note they were to first to start the exodus.
DL: I think DL never flew PDX-KIX though they did apply but the rights were not awarded.
OS: KIX-VIE (343/342/332)
AC: KIX-YYZ (343) seasonal.
NZ: NGO-AKL (763)
VASP flew into KIX with its MD-11s, but I don't know where it stopped off.
South African - KIX-???-JNB. Don't know where it enrouted.
NW: KIX-DTW for a long time it was flown with 744 until merging with DL. I don't believe KIX-JFK was ever flown. I believe it was ITM-JFK for a short time in the early 1990s until KIX opened when they moved the rights to DTW. KIX-SEA (D10) but restored when merged with DL.

I am certainly forgetting more.

runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2037 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 5):
Also SR used to serve KIX. I thought the route has been abandoned with SR, not with LX?

It was an SR route, LX never flew scheduled to KIX, apart for a brief period last year during/after the Tsunami period.

Kochikaze From Japan, joined Apr 2012, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Hello,
Here is some info for discontinued route.

Europe, Africa and Middle East

AF
ITM-HND-ANC-ORY (1970 to 1974)
ITM-HND/NRT-ANC-CDG (1974 to 1975, 1977 to 1991)
ITM-HKG-CDG (from 1991 to 1994)
NGO-NRT-SVO-CDG-NRT-NGO (1992 to 1995)
NGO-CDG (1997 to 1999)
HND-FUK-PEK-KHI-ATH-ORY (From 1975 to 1980)

BA
ITM-NRT-ANC-LHR
ITM-ANC-LHR
KIX-LHR
NGO-LHR
FUK-ITM-ANC-LHR

EK
NGO-DXB

JL
KIX-CDG
KIX-FRA
KIX-LHR
KIX-MXP-FCO
NGO-CDG
NGO-LHR

KL
NGO-CTS-AMS

LH
ITM-NRT-ANC-FRA
ITM-NRT-ANC-HAM-FRA
ITM-HKG-FRA
KIX-MUC
NGO-HKG-FRA
NGO-KIX-FRA

MS
KIX-CAI
KIX-LXR-CAI-KIX

NH
KIX-LHR
KIX-FCO
KIX-FRA-FCO
KIX-MXP-FCO

OS
KIX-VIE

SA
KIX-BKK-JNB

SK
KIX-CPH
KIX-ARN

SR
KIX-ZRH

SU
KIX-SVO
KIX-LED
NGO-KHV-SVO

Transpacific and Oceania

AA
KIX-DFW
NGO-ORD

AC/CP
KIX-YVR
KIX-YYZ
NGO-YVR

BR
TPE-KIX-LAX

DL
NGO-PDX-LAX
FUK-PDX-ATL

JL
KIX-LAX
KIX-ORD
ITM/KIX-SYD
KIX-BNE
KIX-CNS
NGO-LAX
NGO-JFK-GRU-JFK-NRT-NGO

NH
KIX-BNE-SYD

NW
ITM-LAX
SYD-ITM-JFK
KIX-DTW
KIX-LAX
KIX-MSP
NGO-DTW

NZ
KIX-CHC-AKL-KIX
NGO-NAN-AKL
NGO-AKL
FUK-AKL
FUK-NGO-AKL

QF/AO
KIX-CNS-MEL-KIX
KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX
KIX-OOL
NGO-CNS-SYD
FUK-CNS-SYD

RG
NGO-LAX-GRU

TG
BKK-KIX-LAX

UA
KIX-LAX-ORD
KIX-ORD

VP
KIX-LAX-GRU

Kochi

[Edited 2012-05-10 07:28:33]

[Edited 2012-05-10 07:31:30]

steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1423 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting Kochikaze (Reply 8):
NW
NGO-DTW

That's a nice, comprehensive list. You can strike NGO-DTW from it, though - that route (along with the tag to/from MNL) is still alive and well since merging with DL .

Kochikaze From Japan, joined Apr 2012, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 9):

Quoting steex (Reply 9):
That's a nice, comprehensive list. You can strike NGO-DTW from it, though - that route (along with the tag to/from MNL) is still alive and well since merging with DL .

You are right! Thank you for your correction

Kochi

EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

HP flew HNL-NGO with their 747s and you can add CO to the NGO list. We also flew HNL-NGO.

You can't cure stupid

mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting OH-LGA (Reply 2):

United Airlines flew San Francisco - Nagoya Centrair between March 26, 2005 and October 25, 2008. The schedule was altered at some point (I don't recall when) to where the aircraft did a short turnaround in NGO, but initially it stayed overnight.

The initial schedule was as follows:
UA831 SFO 1155 NGO 1640+1
UA830 NGO 1555 SFO 0825

Really hope the new 787s can help UA reinstate SFO-NGO and perhaps launch ORD-KIX and EWR-KIX.

fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

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I miss seeing the AA flight to KIX on the departures board at DFW.

Kochikaze From Japan, joined Apr 2012, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Thank you EWRCabincrew for info. I have not enough info about HNL-Japan service.
Added few more info (AO/CO/HP/JL/NH/SV)

Europe, Africa and Middle East

AF
ITM-HND-ANC-ORY (1970 to 1974)
ITM-HND/NRT-ANC-CDG (1974 to 1975, 1977 to 1991)
ITM-HKG-CDG (from 1991 to 1994)
NGO-NRT-SVO-CDG-NRT-NGO (1992 to 1995)
NGO-CDG (1997 to 1999)
HND-FUK-PEK-KHI-ATH-ORY (From 1975 to 1980)

BA
ITM-NRT-ANC-LHR
ITM-ANC-LHR
KIX-LHR
NGO-LHR
FUK-ITM-ANC-LHR

EK
NGO-DXB

JL
KIX-CDG
KIX-FRA
KIX-LHR
KIX-MXP-FCO
NGO-CDG
NGO-LHR

KL
NGO-CTS-AMS

LH
ITM-NRT-ANC-FRA
ITM-NRT-ANC-HAM-FRA
ITM-HKG-FRA
KIX-MUC
NGO-HKG-FRA
NGO-KIX-FRA

MS
KIX-CAI
KIX-LXR-CAI-KIX

NH
KIX-LHR
KIX-FCO
KIX-FRA-FCO
KIX-MXP-FCO

OS
KIX-VIE

SA
KIX-BKK-JNB

SK
KIX-CPH
KIX-ARN

SR
KIX-ZRH

SU
KIX-SVO
KIX-LED
NGO-KHV-SVO
NGO-SVO

SV
KIX-MNL-RUH-JED

For airlittoralguy's request:

AF NGO-CDG
1995 Summer
AF271 NGO 1930 NRT 2030 2155 SVO 0240+ 0359 CDG 0535 B74M Mo. Sa.
AF272 CDG 2045 NRT 1520+ 1640 NGO 1745 B74M Fr. Su.
1997 Summer
AF297 NGO 1220 CDG 1810 A340 We. Su.
AF298 CDG 1525 NGO 1035+ A340 Tu. Sa.

Kochikaze From Japan, joined Apr 2012, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Transpacific and Oceania

AA
KIX-DFW
NGO-ORD

AC/CP
KIX-YVR
KIX-YYZ
NGO-YVR

BR
TPE-KIX-LAX

CO
NGO-HNL

DL
NGO-PDX-LAX
FUK-PDX-ATL

HP
NGO-HNL

JL
KIX-LAX
KIX-ORD
ITM/KIX-SYD
KIX-BNE
KIX-CNS
NGO-LAX
NGO-JFK-GRU-JFK-NRT-NGO
FUK-HNL
CTS-HNL
HIJ-HNL
KIJ-HNL
SDJ-HNL

NH
KIX-BNE-SYD
KIX-HNL

NW
ITM-LAX
SYD-ITM-JFK
KIX-DTW
KIX-LAX
KIX-MSP

NZ
KIX-CHC-AKL-KIX
NGO-NAN-AKL
NGO-AKL
FUK-AKL
FUK-NGO-AKL

QF/AO
KIX-CNS-MEL-KIX
KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX
KIX-OOL
NGO-CNS-SYD
FUK-CNS-SYD
CTS-CNS

RG
NGO-LAX-GRU

TG
BKK-KIX-LAX

UA
KIX-HNL
KIX-LAX-ORD
KIX-ORD

VP
KIX-LAX-GRU

deltacto From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 6):
DL: I think DL never flew PDX-KIX though they did apply but the rights were not awarded.

Delta was awarded the rights.

The October 1 1998 timetable shows
DL 99 PDX-KIX effective October 28 1998
DL 98 KIX-PDX effective October 29 1998

DL subsequently cancelled the flights.
They never operated

LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

And the million dollar question -- why have so many longhaul services from these cities failed??

Many of these cities, and regions they serve have very size able populations and economic activity, yet Japan continues to be very Tokyo centric for its long-haul links.

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California

gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5216 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Didn't PX or FJ operate to FUK in the late 70s and/or 80s? Going only off memory so unrealiable!

Gemuser

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