don From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 266 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19959 times:
Emirates A380 operating EK 241 to Toronto just did a missed approach in Toronto due to wind shear and decided to divert to Ottawa. It commenced the diversion around 1630 local time.
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4280 posts, RR: 36 Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19874 times:
Ottawa, now (and for the next 10 weeks) has only one runway for transport sized aircraft. I could see holding now if a bunch of diversions are headed there!
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21481 posts, RR: 24 Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19734 times:
Listening to Ottawa ATC on Liveatc.net, EK241 recently declared a Mayday, probably due to low fuel, and emergency vehicles were dispatched. However, they just cancelled the Mayday. I think they said they had 530 passengers and crew.
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5159 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19175 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2): I think they said they had 530 passengers and crew.
HiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 606 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18701 times:
Geez....not enough fuel for even a single go-around? Granted I don't know if they were circling for a long time but it seems odd that they only made one approach before diverting.
kl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18376 times:
Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 8): Geez....not enough fuel for even a single go-around? Granted I don't know if they were circling for a long time but it seems odd that they only made one approach before diverting.
Yes they did a lot of circling along with LH but LH landed while EK was on it's way to CYOW.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11): They just advised YOW Ground that they will be ready to start engines in 5 to 10 minutes to return to YYZ, and the controller said YYZ has advised that they will be given priority for landing due to the diversion. Apparently still a lot of delays to YYZ due to weather. If they do leave YOW in the next 15 or 20 minutes they will have spent about 2.5 hours there, and arrival YYZ will be around 5 hours late.
don From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17982 times:
Return flight to YYZ came on the Toronto East Radar frequency and was told to hold again at Imeba fix near Lake Simcoe. But the hold was cancelled after one orbit and now being given radar vectors. Also advised that windshear is still being reported at YYZ.
pliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 446 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17696 times:
Quoting SSTeve (Reply 7): Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):now what do they do. is there a crew on board with enough flyable time to refuel and get going to YYZ again?
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don From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17439 times:
EK 241 just landed on R/W 15R. Long long day for the crew and the pax. Luckily this is the long layover for the crew; 3 nights instead of the 2 nights on MON/WED flights.
thenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1964 posts, RR: 12 Reply 23, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14939 times:
YOW is the official alternate airport for EK's A380 flight to YYZ, ahead of YUL.
Quoting longhauler (Reply 6): I can't imagine an A380 doing a non-precision approach into an unfamiliar airport.
Dont know if they flew the VOR-DME 14 approach, but runway 14 is now equipped with a RNAV Approach with an LPV minimum (DH of 253 ft AGL). Thus making it a precision approach capable runway for aircraft that are able to fly the LPV.
Thenoflyzone
[Edited 2012-06-01 21:07:35]
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YYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 809 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14889 times:
No RNAV or RNP approach is a precision aproach especially for alternate minimums. That being said since YOW is likely a diversion airport they probably had all of the RNP and RNAV approaches in their database.
25 Cyanide72: I am so terribly disappointed I missed this! Had it not been for a commitment with someone else, I'd have definitely gone to YOW and grabbed a bunch o
26 don: I just realized that all this excitement happened on the 3rd anniversary of the first Emirates A380 flight to Toronto.
27 katanapilot: i have never been so angry in my life!!!! (ok maybe that's an exaggeration but i'm very bitter). I was out of town tonight and come back to find out t
28 SSTsomeday: Most of my flying experience has been in Ottawa, and at that time runway 14, and Runway 17 in the North Field (for smaller A/C) were the least-used. L
29 76er: Completely normal in todays world of >100$ a barrol oil, even for EK.
30 aeroflop: So they had to manually land the aircraft??? I heard its autoland only
31 boeingorbust: Low fuel? Are they not required to have enough fuel to provide one go around and enough to divert to alternate and land?
32 76er: Yes. but that's not what HiFlyerAS implied. Although fuel polocies are different per airline/country, if you have used up your so-called 'route reserv
33 migair54: Yes, but then if you arrive Ottawa and they tell you, You are number 10 for APP becuase many diversion, then Declare a MAYDAY is the action require t
34 falkerker: Correct me if Im wrong, but carrying extra fuel means burning half of it just getting to your destination. If they were to take fuel from DXB for a l
36 ltbewr: Wind shear is a very serious issue and EK made the right call. I think the AF A340 that crash landed and went off the runway at YYZ during a storm a f
37 lightsaber: I would say a good call from the safety side. Doesn't EK only sit on the ground for 2 hours at YYZ? This would have quite an impact on the return fli
38 longhauler: You must have access to different approaches into YOW. The best I have in my books is the RNAV (GNSS) Rwy 14, with an MDA of 373'AGL + the required 5
39 flightsimboy: EK 241 Arr 1545 Actual 2108 EK 242 Dep 2140 Actual 2337 EK is on the ground in YYZ for 5 hour 55 minutes.
40 lightsaber: Thank you. I'm always happy to see correct facts. However, a 2 hour delay will still impact connections. Oh well, I bet there were nice hotels made a
41 bmacleod: When did YOW get clearance/upgraded for A380 operations? Then again it serviced 747s so doesn't that clear it for the A380?
42 cptspeaking: Not an issue for experienced pilots. I fly corporate jets and rarely a month goes by when I don't visit at least 3 or 4 airports I've never been to b
43 71Zulu: It didn't. Av Herald says after it landed on 14, it had to u-turn on the runway and then backtrack to the ramp turnoff. http://avherald.com/h?article
44 Viscount724: Since the aircraft finally landed at YYZ about 19 hours after departure from DXB, how do crew duty day limitations work for both the pilots and cabin
45 emirates202: It ended up leaving at 11:37pm. About 2 hours behind schedule.
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