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Where To Connect In Europe?  
User currently offlinerafabullara From Brazil, joined Dec 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6168 times:

I'm taking flighs from Brazil to BUD and then i will come back form BER.

Anyone would help where is the best airport to connect? AMS, LHR, FRA, MUC, CDG, ZRH

Backup information:

I'm flying J class
Fares and schedules are pretty much the same.

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User currently onlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2278 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

Good:

AMS, MUC, ZRH


Bad:

LHR, FRA, CDG

That's the consensus around here mostly, I think...


User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1273 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

I've connected at FRA and didn't find it any problem, although i must admit I've not connected anywhere else in Europe. I'd imagine LHR would be a bit of a pain if your not departing from the same terminal though.


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User currently offlinerafabullara From Brazil, joined Dec 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 2):
I'd imagine LHR would be a bit of a pain if your not departing from the same terminal though.

I forgot to mention that's LHR T5

Thanks for valuable information


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

You could do worse than FRA. MUC and ZRH are excellent choices, though.

User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6104 times:

Quoting rafabullara (Thread starter):
Anyone would help where is the best airport to connect? AMS, LHR, FRA, MUC, CDG, ZRH

AMS

Avoid CDG at all cost.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25106 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 5):
Quoting rafabullara (Thread starter):
Anyone would help where is the best airport to connect? AMS, LHR, FRA, MUC, CDG, ZRH

AMS

Avoid CDG at all cost.

Agree, nothing matches AMS for convenience. Very clear signage and impossible to get lost. MUC and ZRH be a tie for #2 on my list, both very good.

I avoid LHR, CDG and FRA. FRA, while better than LHR and CDG, has always seemed confusing and is usually in the midst of some major construction project.


User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6054 times:

If you're flying from Brazil wouldn't LIS make the most sense TAP flies to both BUD and TXL.

User currently offlineDocGATTACA From Singapore, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

If at all possible I like to go through MUC. Failing that, ZRH then FRA.

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

Each of the hubs listed so far will do the job, albeit transfers at some may be more convenient than at others.
Rather than looking into a specific hub only I would have a look onto connection times. 90 minuts should to the job at each hub, less may mean "rushing" (excluding CDG where 120 min would be much safer).

Also departure and arrival times should be considered as they not only determine how convenient a trip is (i.e. getting up resp. to bed, eraly / late), but also some airports tend to be much more busy at certain times.
For example, MUC T2 at times is unable to handle all inbound widebodies at contact gates, meaning bus transfers and subsequent security check when arriving from a non-Schengen origin. This security check area on ground level often is overwhelmed with travellers.
Similarly, lines at security check at AMS for crossing from non-Schengen hall to Schengen hall can be long.
No priority is given here (MUC and AMS) to Business Class pax.

As it can be assumed that you will stay with one alliance for your outbound and return legs, it basically gives you the following options:

Star Alliance: LIS, ZRH, MUC, FRA
SkyTeam: CDG (T2-complex), AMS
Oneworld: LHR (T5)

The further north (compared to BUD) the hub you choose is, the longer your detour will be, if this matters.

Naturally there will be no consent for a single hub to be recommended among the replies.
As I said, each of the hubs will do its job. Many are well signposted, some may be lacking - but still millions of (inexperienced) connecting travellers find their way through each of the hubs each year, so it can't be that bad signposted. Familiarizing with a hub's layout before departing for it usually helps, espcially if inbound flights run late reducing connection times.
(Actually I found my way around without problems any of the hubs I listed, except LHR T5 which I have not used yet).
-HT



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User currently offlinerafabullara From Brazil, joined Dec 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 7):
If you're flying from Brazil wouldn't LIS make the most sense TAP flies to both BUD and TXL



Tap was never an option because the connecting time is LIS is too long.

I'd like to thank all of you guys for your answers. All of them are pretty important to me to take the final decision, since it's my first time in Europe and i want it to be perfect.
I was searching on the Internet, and read a lot of TR this last couple days to know more about each airline service on J and for me it looked that BA and LX have the best service in Brazil-Europe market. I have tried BA Club World last year from GRU to EZE and back, so i know the seat and part of the service.

Quoting HT (Reply 9):
The further north (compared to BUD) the hub you choose is, the longer your detour will be, if this matters.




I was checking schedules of BA and LX and there's not much difference between these two. So i'm pretty much in doubt about LHR T5 and ZRH, if anyone would put some more opinion I'll appreciate.

Thanks


User currently offlineBA677 From UK - England, joined Jan 2012, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

I believe the BA BUD Flight departs from T3, so you will have to change terminals at LHR.

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

What about Istanbul Ataturk?? I found it a very easy airport to use. TK fly everywhere in Europe..

User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 12):
What about Istanbul Ataturk?? I found it a very easy airport to use. TK fly everywhere in Europe..

Too much backtracking...


User currently offlinerafabullara From Brazil, joined Dec 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5914 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 12):
What about Istanbul Ataturk?? I found it a very easy airport to use. TK fly everywhere in Europe

It´s the same problem that flying BCN with SQ schedules are not good for connecting to Europe with TK and prices are almost like EK or QR.

Quoting BA677 (Reply 11):
I believe the BA BUD Flight departs from T3, so you will have to change terminals at LHR.

I just checked this out and you are right about T3. Is it easy to change terminals at LHR or i will be wasting time and patience?

[Edited 2012-06-07 12:25:04]

User currently offlineBA677 From UK - England, joined Jan 2012, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Quoting rafabullara (Reply 14):
Are you sure about that? B/C if this is thrue my only option would be LX via ZRH

Yes, but you get an airside transfer on a bus, so think of it as a mini free tour of Heathrow. If you connect else ware you would be sitting in a Termanel someware just waiting, so I dont think its that bad.


User currently offlinerafabullara From Brazil, joined Dec 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

Quoting BA677 (Reply 15):
Yes, but you get an airside transfer on a bus, so think of it as a mini free tour of Heathrow. If you connect else ware you would be sitting in a Termanel someware just waiting, so I dont think its that bad.

You are right, and nothing could be more fun than a free tour to the "World's Hub".


User currently onlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2278 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

Quoting rafabullara (Reply 10):
I was checking schedules of BA and LX and there's not much difference between these two. So i'm pretty much in doubt about LHR T5 and ZRH, if anyone would put some more opinion I'll appreciate.

ZRH is as far as I know less prone to delays and considered a better airport by most. Not many silly holding patterns either.

Quoting BA677 (Reply 15):
Yes, but you get an airside transfer on a bus, so think of it as a mini free tour of Heathrow. If you connect else ware you would be sitting in a Termanel someware just waiting, so I dont think its that bad.

If you have a short connection, it's bad. It's much better to just sit in a terminal somewhere.

Quoting rafabullara (Reply 14):
I just checked this out and you are right about T3. Is it easy to change terminals at LHR or i will be wasting time and patience?

Haven't been in LHR since 2000, but if it's anything, anything, like the bus transfers in CDG, avoid it. It's probably better than CDG, but still, I'd recommend against it.


User currently offlineBA677 From UK - England, joined Jan 2012, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

A minimum of a two hour connection time at LHR should be fine.

User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1325 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

While it doesn't quite guarantee your baggage will miss connection

Quoting BA677 (Reply 18):
A minimum of a two hour connection time at LHR should be fine.

any transfer in LHR comes with a high risk of just that happening. Avoid LHR like the plague, even more so if it involves a change of terminal.

Several posters suggested AMS, MUC and ZRH, nobody suggested LHR. You're telling us you have the option of BA or LX. Well, LX has a very fine J product indeed, in fact their new one is miles better than BA, and you get to transfer in ZRH instead of the cesspool that's LHR. Think we have the definition of a no-brainer here.



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User currently offlineBA677 From UK - England, joined Jan 2012, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

A slight risk of missing a connection yes, Just like anywhere else, but not a high risk. Thousands of people transfer successfully though LHR every day. And you get a interesting air side transfer for BUD. Definitely not a no-brainer here.

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Oi Rafael,

I appreciate you doing your due-dilligences, but always remember that experience-based recommendations are about as subjective as it can be. Everybody seems to hate LHR, and I happen to like it quite a bit. People describe AMS as pleasant, whereas I would never fly through that joint again. CDG is often described as terrible, but I still think it's charming. Frankfurt is considered an eternal construction site, but I haven't seen much of these alleged issues. MUC and ZRH are both considered a breeze to pass through, but they have their issues too.

In the end, it all really depends on who you are and how lucky you get. AMS is crowded with ridiculously ugly people, the architecture matches that impression, all terminals are heated to a cozy 35°C or so it feels, you have to run a marathon from one gate to the other, and it gives you a very 'yucky' feeling. Heathrow on the other hand is sleek, modern, elegant. Lots of well dressed travellers, a lot of hot chicks too. Frankfurt is hit and miss, it all depends on what stand your aircraft is parked on. But I would not want to fly J on LH or JJ. MUC has no personality. It's easy to navigate through, it's a well thought through concept but it's not an airport you will remember. CDG has a special place in my heart. Lots of attractive people, amazing architecture, everything is really stylish and pleasing to the eye that I am more than willing to forgive it its shortcomings. ZRH is small and has a somewhat cozy feeling to me. Swissair is also an excellent choice to fly, though I can only speak from economy class experience.

With all of the above being said. 100 people will agree with me, just as many will disagree with me. If I were you, I'd probably fly Swiss. Their product is very consistent, they appear to have nice lounges and you save yourself the hassles that LHR can mean (delayed arrivals, terminal changes, long lines at security and immigration etc.). But then again, maybe that is exactly what you're looking for?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25106 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Quoting something (Reply 21):
AMS is crowded with ridiculously ugly people, the architecture matches that impression, all terminals are heated to a cozy 35°C or so it feels, you have to run a marathon from one gate to the other, and it gives you a very 'yucky' feeling.

Amazing how different people have such widely varying views. In my experience after probably a few hundred connections at AMS over the past 40 years, AMS is only matched as a convenient connecting hub in Europe by MUC and ZRH, but AMS is more conveniently located geographically to avoid backtracking in my case. I've made dozens of connections in less than 30 minutes at AMS (sometimes 15 minutes) that would never have been possible anywhere else, and certainly not at LHR. They also have one of the most advanced baggage handling systems in the world.

Quoting something (Reply 21):
Swissair is also an excellent choice to fly, though I can only speak from economy class experience.

Swissair was an excellent choice, except they went bust and shut down more than 10 years ago.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1325 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

Quoting BA677 (Reply 20):
And you get a interesting air side transfer for BUD.

You mean 20 minutes bouncing about in a rattly old bus, sometimes underground or in places with view of nothing but old buildings, packed in with 50 other tired travelers and the possibility of not being able to see much in the first place? Not what I would call an attraction, but each to their own. And just for good measure, BA (like most places in Europe) does not operate separate coaches for J pax. Or even F pax in the case of LHR.

Quoting something (Reply 21):
you save yourself the hassles that LHR can mean (delayed arrivals, terminal changes, long lines at security and immigration etc.).

Ah, yes, the security at LHR. Almost forgot that. Probably only 10.000 times worse than ZRH or AMS but, hey, you get to ride a bus!



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User currently offlinerafabullara From Brazil, joined Dec 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

Quoting something (Reply 21):
With all of the above being said. 100 people will agree with me, just as many will disagree with me



Hi something

Thanks for your opinion about all those airports, and i have the same opinion as you that this topic it's really subjective as it can be.

Quoting something (Reply 21):
But I would not want to fly J
on LH or JJ



Don't worry, i won't! You know, I travelled BA for the last 10 years almost monthly, and i always loved their flights. I used to fly the old GRU-EZE-GRU route that no longer operates.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
Amazing how different people have such widely varying views



LOL yes! And I feel some passion at some answers too! And I only asked for the airport, and never the airline, but once you choose the airport I guess that the airline is included in the package, if you know what I mean.

Thanks a lot all of you guys to your time, patience and answers i hope to write a TR as a pay back!


25 Post contains images L410Turbolet : ZRH would be my choice as it is quite convenient airport to connect and you will not have to endure the endless lines at immigration, which LHR is so
26 planejamie : I don't get why people are shooting down LHR when they haven't been through it in years! Terminal 5 - Terminal 3 is no problem, there's regular airsi
27 HT : "Security check" at the gate only applies to departures from the non-Schengen hall at AMS. For departures to destinations within Schengen zone a cent
28 MillwallSean : ZRH is the best for me. No contest. I do those Non Schengen to Schengend estination flights way to often and what matters is smooth security, not to
29 Post contains images LAX888 : I would also choose BA or LX as both airports are easy to transit through and both airlines offer a good product. If the prices are the same and the t
30 eurowings : I laughed at that so much - which parts have you used besides T5? The architecture of T1-T4 is much less appealing than AMS. No problem, but it doesn
31 mcg : ZRH and LX, are the best, no question. ZRH is fantastically easy and efficient, and you can stop at Sprungli and get some chocolate!
32 aerorobnz : IST-BUD is 650miles, hardly much of a backtrack. Even TXL-IST is only a 1000 mile flight... I really don't see the big deal. I have flown much bigger
33 rafabullara : As I said before IST is not an option because of the schedules and price. One day I'm pretty sure that i'll fly LX, on the day I'm sure to fly with B
34 Post contains images jumpjets : As an international transfer passenger at LHR I doubt you will be subjected to our infmaously friendly border control agency staff and queues - secur
35 L410Turbolet : 650 miles is roughly 2 hours flight. Why bother dragging yourself all the way to IST when there are more straight forward routings with better carrie
36 jlarsson : Add CDG to that list. The 2 biggest disgraces that calls themselves airports to be found.
37 rafabullara : Well thanks you all for your advices! I really appreciated it! We decided to connect via ZRH and fly LX, b/c schedules are a bit better.
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