kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12956 posts, RR: 34 Posted (3 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15641 times:
I was just wondering, in this age where we have so much recording ability - so many different parameters of aircraft performance, if there were any air disasters which remain a mystery. We know, of course, that there are still disasters where today's technology was simply not available - for example the BEA Staines crash, where there was no CVR.
However, there are still a few where there is hardly anything known, beyond the fact that the aircraft has crashed.
1) Varig 707, over the Pacific. 1979. In January 1979, a cargo 707 took off from NRT (very shortly after its opening) and disappeared around 200 miles NE of Tokyo. It was carrying a cargo of paintings (153 of one renowned artist) to Rio. No trace of the aircraft was ever found.
2) Malev 240. A Tu-154 with 60 on board crashed off the Lebanese coast, while en route from BUD to BEY in Sept 1975. No official statement has ever been made and its cause has never been known; to this day, the Hungarian secret service produced a report in 2003, but as reported in an answer to a question to the European parliament in 2007, the report remains secret for reasons not connected with the crash.
Does anyone know anything about the latter crash (particularly our Hungarian members)?
Are there any other crashes which are still shrouded in mystery?
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7309 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14917 times:
The Arrow Air DC-8 that crashed on take off at Gander. I believe there was a disenting opinion from one or two members of Canadian board that had a different theory for the cause. Ammunition going off in the hold, if I recall correctly. Although the official cause was icing, wasn´t it?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 32927 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14785 times:
Quoting AR385 (Reply 5): Although the official cause was icing, wasn´t it?
There were two official reports by the Canadian Aviation Safety Board: one written by the majority (five members) that said it was ice and one written by the minority (four members), who said it was due to an onboard fire in the cargo hold, perhaps caused by a magnesium flare. A later review concluded that the available evidence did not support either report.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7309 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14715 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 6): There were two official reports by the Canadian Aviation Safety Board: one written by the majority (five members) that said it was ice and one written by the minority (four members), who said it was due to an onboard fire in the cargo hold, perhaps caused by a magnesium flare. A later review concluded that the available evidence did not support either report.
Thanks. I did not recall all that detail you just provided.
stasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3304 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14601 times:
On November 16, 1959, National Airlines Flight 967, en route from Tampa, FL to New Orleans, LA disappeared over the Gulf of Mexico. The aircraft was a Delta Air Lines DC-7B being flown on an interchange route with Delta, but staffed with a National Airlines crew. No cause was ever officially determined, but many at that time thought that a in-flight explosion/bombing took place.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
Wasn't this around the same time as the DC-6 National Airlines flight that exploded over New Bolivia N.C. as it was en route from what was then Idlewild to MIA? That one was a bomb explosion for insurance money.
How about one of the greatest tragedies? TWA 800. There's still speculation of a bomb, missle strike and of course the rank and file cause fuel tanks exploding.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14505 times:
Quoting AR385 (Reply 5): The Arrow Air DC-8 that crashed on take off at Gander. I believe there was a disenting opinion from one or two members of Canadian board that had a different theory for the cause. Ammunition going off in the hold, if I recall correctly. Although the official cause was icing, wasn´t it?
My late father was an AC AME authorised to service the 8 His opinion on Arrow Air was inadvertent thrust reverser deployment. Possible icing component involved as well. But there was ammunition going off post crash, for sure.
maxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1353 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14123 times:
Two Northwest flights crashed that remain unsolved to this day - a Martin 202 in Washington state in 1951 and a DC-7C on a MAC charter in 1963 that crashed in the Pacific with the loss of all 101 on board.
vincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13881 times:
1. KE 007 (1983) shot down near Sakhalin Island. To this day, some still believe there were survivors but kept in Russia
2. SA 295 (1987) crashed near Mauritius due to fire, the question is where did fire come from?
Why? The cause has been determined to have been vapours in the central fuel tank which exploded; I know there are conspiracy theories, but I don't think any holds water. I wouldn't rate the cause of this as a mystery.
These accidents have been a mystery for a while, but now everything has been explained. In the case of AF447, I personally believed that they could have not solved the mystery but I was wrong. The discussion is now if it was only the pilot's fault or if the design of the cockpit contributed to the disaster too, but, technically, we know exactly what happened. The same for the 737 accidents caused by the rudder actuator. They remained mysteries for years but now it is clear what caused the accident.
There is the Silk Air 737 crash and since the CVR was off at the moment of the accident, both rudder problem and pilot suicide cannot be ruled out.
okAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11308 times:
The mystery of Kaleva, Ju-52 operated by Aero, the predecessor of Finnair. in June 1940, the plane was shot down en route from Tallin to Helsinki by the Soviets, and no official reason has ever been given. The Soviets denied ever shooting down Kaleva, but the incident was added to the Paris Peace Treaty signed by Finland and the Soviet Union, freeing Soviet Union from any responsibility concerning the shoot down. The documents about the shooting have disapeared or distroeyed after the Soviet fall-down. Thus, only assumptions can be given for the reasons why this commercial flight was targeted.